2 years is enough

[djm19]

I think Bohl is the right man for the job. Very very few coaches take over a team in shambles and rebuild it within two years. Those that do find instant success have lots of pieces in place. (Michigan/Harbaugh).

Although I am frustrated as anyone, I give Bohl a pass until his players, his system, his schemes have years to develop. If he isn't finishing above .500 by 2017, we ought to consider a different direction. I would be curious to know how many coaches are fired after two or even years. (head coach). I bet the number is pretty darn low.

It starts with QB play. We need a young guy who can step in and play. Colby seemed nice enough, same with Cam, but the redshirt senior thing needs to stop. Brian Hill needs help next year. I like Hollister. I like Gentry. I love Van Manaan (that dude just liked to bust faces). I love our O line coming back. Future isn't as dim as we think. We HAVE TO GET A STEADY QB!

 

[fromolwyoming]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

Thompson was gone period. He followed DC to Utah, and then DC went to A&M, demoted from OC to OL coach, while Thompson rode the pine, again, and got switched to safety.

 

[djm19]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

 

[LanderPoke]

I think Bohl is the right man for the job. Very very few coaches take over a team in shambles and rebuild it within two years. Those that do find instant success have lots of pieces in place. (Michigan/Harbaugh).

Although I am frustrated as anyone, I give Bohl a pass until his players, his system, his schemes have years to develop. If he isn't finishing above .500 by 2017, we ought to consider a different direction. I would be curious to know how many coaches are fired after two or even years. (head coach). I bet the number is pretty darn low.

It starts with QB play. We need a young guy who can step in and play. Colby seemed nice enough, same with Cam, but the redshirt senior thing needs to stop. Brian Hill needs help next year. I like Hollister. I like Gentry. I love Van Manaan (that dude just liked to bust faces). I love our O line coming back. Future isn't as dim as we think. We HAVE TO GET A STEADY QB!

+1

 

[LanderPoke]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

I never said "force".

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

JCs aren't bandaids. He could have easily signed 3-5 more per class and been fine. They would be graduating and allowed more redshirts to be used. I think it was a mistake to ignore the JC ranks.

I also think they intentionally ran some kids off. Thus, I think they could have taken a little different approach and kept some kids around.

All water under the bridge at this point and the next 2 years will tell if he made the right decision. Personally, I think he could have succeeded without the complete program destruction, but like I said, water under the bridge now.

We've definitely seen he can deconstruct a program; now, over the next 2 years, we can see the level of his building ability.

 

[Cornpoke]

We are a nation of instant gratification. I'd prefer a long term build over short term success and I believe Bohl is doing that. If he doesn't, a lot of us will be eating crow...

I prefer short-term success with sustained long-term success. Obviously that ship has sailed, but it is possible.

I would prefer that as well but what I'm saying is if we have to go through a few bad years to reach a sustained success level I would take that over a quick fix coach; repeat every 4 years....

 

[djm19]

fair enough...."not getting him to stay" to me meant that is was Bohl's fault. All I am saying is what else was Bohl supposed to do? He flew to WA and basically told him he was the man for he job. Outside of forcing him, what else was Bohl supposed to do. If anything, Brett Smith leaving after Jr year was crippling to the team.

 

[djm19]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

JCs aren't bandaids. He could have easily signed 3-5 more per class and been fine. They would be graduating and allowed more redshirts to be used. I think it was a mistake to ignore the JC ranks.

I also think they intentionally ran some kids off. Thus, I think they could have taken a little different approach and kept some kids around.

All water under the bridge at this point and the next 2 years will tell if he made the right decision. Personally, I think he could have succeeded without the complete program destruction, but like I said, water under the bridge now.

We've definitely seen he can deconstruct a program; now, over the next 2 years, we can see the level of his building ability.

I would rather get young guys in an develop than bring in guys like Aaron Young and Capt Kirk who were JC guys that probably aren't D1 level players. I can't think of many successful JC guys in our program in the past 5-6 years? If any one can think of some...

 

[TSpoke]

fair enough...."not getting him to stay" to me meant that is was Bohl's fault. All I am saying is what else was Bohl supposed to do? He flew to WA and basically told him he was the man for he job. Outside of forcing him, what else was Bohl supposed to do. If anything, Brett Smith leaving after Jr year was crippling to the team.

Apparently he didn't do enough to sell him on his vision. Could he have done more? I don't know. I remember thinking at the time though. He failed on his 2 most important recruiting jobs with Smith and Thompson.

 

[fromolwyoming]

fair enough...."not getting him to stay" to me meant that is was Bohl's fault. All I am saying is what else was Bohl supposed to do? He flew to WA and basically told him he was the man for he job. Outside of forcing him, what else was Bohl supposed to do. If anything, Brett Smith leaving after Jr year was crippling to the team.

Apparently he didn't do enough to sell him on his vision. Could he have done more? I don't know. I remember thinking at the time though. He failed on his 2 most important recruiting jobs with Smith and Thompson.

Smith was gone, no matter what I think. Thompson, he kind of surprised everyone by transferring.

 

[JimmyDimes]

fair enough...."not getting him to stay" to me meant that is was Bohl's fault. All I am saying is what else was Bohl supposed to do? He flew to WA and basically told him he was the man for he job. Outside of forcing him, what else was Bohl supposed to do. If anything, Brett Smith leaving after Jr year was crippling to the team.

Apparently he didn't do enough to sell him on his vision. Could he have done more? I don't know. I remember thinking at the time though. He failed on his 2 most important recruiting jobs with Smith and Thompson.

I think failed is a little harsh.....these guys were gone and I believe Bohl tried to keep them.

 

[JimmyDimes]

fair enough...."not getting him to stay" to me meant that is was Bohl's fault. All I am saying is what else was Bohl supposed to do? He flew to WA and basically told him he was the man for he job. Outside of forcing him, what else was Bohl supposed to do. If anything, Brett Smith leaving after Jr year was crippling to the team.

Apparently he didn't do enough to sell him on his vision. Could he have done more? I don't know. I remember thinking at the time though. He failed on his 2 most important recruiting jobs with Smith and Thompson.

Smith was gone, no matter what I think. Thompson, he kind of surprised everyone by transferring.

He bought in to what some snake oil salesmen was trying to sell.....starting QB in the PAC12.

 

[NebraskaCowboy]

While everyone is in love with JUCO guys, I think they're only good in certain situation and you can't build a team with them. Allen and Hollister were good JUCO guys but if you look, Slick Dave recruited a lot his last couple of years and look how that turned out. If they don't pan out it leaves the cupboard really bare. UNLV is a team that has a decent amount of JUCO guys and look at their success. Saw somewhere that Sanchez was bringing in 10 JUCO guys for a visit. Not good. While you might get one or two, there is a reason a lot of these guys started at a JUCO. Simple as that.

 

[NebraskaCowboy]

Additionally this is for Beav, I know you don't like Bohl, but you're an Oregon State for fucks sake. You rooted for Mike Riley to be mediocre for how many years? And Gary Anderson went 2-10 this year and 0-9 in conference. I hope you're banging on his door to be fired too. I feel the ability to have success at Laramie is more readily available than in Corvallis.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I would rather get young guys in an develop than bring in guys like Aaron Young and Capt Kirk who were JC guys that probably aren't D1 level players. I can't think of many successful JC guys in our program in the past 5-6 years? If any one can think of some...

The two you mention are obviously a swing and a miss. As for the number of successful JC guys, hell, how many successful "any guys" have there been the past 5-6 years? Certainly there are some examples of great players, but, if you put that on a percentage basis, it is really low.

Adding a few more JC guys and bringing in young guys are not mutually exclusive either. It isn't one or the other. Example, Bohl has signed something like 23/class = 46 players on roster he gave scholarships to (or close to it). That leaves 39 left that were recruited by DC (this year) or unfilled. Did we fill all of our scholarships? Honestly, I don't know that.

Either way, I would have much preferred a few decent JUCO guys along the lines and on defense from these first two classes. There are lots of successful teams out there with quite a few JUCO guys. I would have much preferred to avoid becoming one of the worst teams in FBS and FCS football. Still, water under the bridge now. Destruction is done. Construction should appear next season.

 

[cowboyz]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

JCs aren't bandaids. He could have easily signed 3-5 more per class and been fine. They would be graduating and allowed more redshirts to be used. I think it was a mistake to ignore the JC ranks.

I also think they intentionally ran some kids off. Thus, I think they could have taken a little different approach and kept some kids around.

All water under the bridge at this point and the next 2 years will tell if he made the right decision. Personally, I think he could have succeeded without the complete program destruction, but like I said, water under the bridge now.

We've definitely seen he can deconstruct a program; now, over the next 2 years, we can see the level of his building ability.

I would rather get young guys in an develop than bring in guys like Aaron Young and Capt Kirk who were JC guys that probably aren't D1 level players. I can't think of many successful JC guys in our program in the past 5-6 years? If any one can think of some...

All I can think of is Luke Anderson a pretty decent DB and Jordan Van Royen a LS that never had a bad snap.

 

[LanderPoke]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

JCs aren't bandaids. He could have easily signed 3-5 more per class and been fine. They would be graduating and allowed more redshirts to be used. I think it was a mistake to ignore the JC ranks.

I also think they intentionally ran some kids off. Thus, I think they could have taken a little different approach and kept some kids around.

All water under the bridge at this point and the next 2 years will tell if he made the right decision. Personally, I think he could have succeeded without the complete program destruction, but like I said, water under the bridge now.

We've definitely seen he can deconstruct a program; now, over the next 2 years, we can see the level of his building ability.

I would rather get young guys in an develop than bring in guys like Aaron Young and Capt Kirk who were JC guys that probably aren't D1 level players. I can't think of many successful JC guys in our program in the past 5-6 years? If any one can think of some...

All I can think of is Luke Anderson a pretty decent DB and Jordan Van Royen a LS that never had a bad snap.

Wasn't Jordan Stanton a JC? He was good

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Interesting reads from when DC was hired.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/4398/christensen-changes-culture-at-wyoming" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This after Bohl was hired.

http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/for-wyoming-football-bohl-s-arrival-means-new-atmosphere-in/article_794f29e7-593b-58b6-b9ee-2692a3e4feeb.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[McPeachy]

Bohl screwed up in the short-term by not getting Thompson to stay, not recruiting better in his initial class, not recruiting more JCs, running off a lot of veteran players, but this in no way compromises his long-term success.

A few JCs would help, I agree, but that is a bandaid for what this program needs.

Bohl can't put a gun to Thompson's head and force him to stay. The kid has freedom to choose where he wants to go. He followed howdy doody, and howdy doody crapped on him. Saying "Bohl screwed up" by not forcing JT to stay is pretty bold.

(Insert ANY coach here)_________ and many of these players would have left when a new coach came to town. Jeez, reincarnated Lombardi himself could show up and players would still leave.

JCs aren't bandaids. He could have easily signed 3-5 more per class and been fine. They would be graduating and allowed more redshirts to be used. I think it was a mistake to ignore the JC ranks.

I also think they intentionally ran some kids off. Thus, I think they could have taken a little different approach and kept some kids around.

All water under the bridge at this point and the next 2 years will tell if he made the right decision. Personally, I think he could have succeeded without the complete program destruction, but like I said, water under the bridge now.

We've definitely seen he can deconstruct a program; now, over the next 2 years, we can see the level of his building ability.

I would rather get young guys in an develop than bring in guys like Aaron Young and Capt Kirk who were JC guys that probably aren't D1 level players. I can't think of many successful JC guys in our program in the past 5-6 years? If any one can think of some...

All I can think of is Luke Anderson a pretty decent DB and Jordan Van Royen a LS that never had a bad snap.

Wasn't Jordan Stanton a JC? He was good

Yes he was, and a starter. There are quite a few actually. Without looking, and speaking of only the last 5 or so years, there was Tyran Finley, BJ Sumpter, BJ's buddy who played DT (named started with a K I think), a couple of wide outs that I can't remember - one of whom only was here for a year, and ended up in the great white north.