Reminder - Tom Burman is a loser and a bum and should be fired

[LanderPoke]

Do not lose sight of this. This latest win means nothing for him in the grand scheme of things. He has dragged a once proud athletics program to depths previously unfathomable through negligence, willful ignorance and stupidity. He has like 3 conference championships in 20 YEARS. The man is an incompetent idiot

 

[Bear Claw]

Preaching to the choir, as far as I am concerned.

 

[PorkerPoke]

Do not lose sight of this. This latest win means nothing for him in the grand scheme of things. He has dragged a once proud athletics program to depths previously unfathomable through negligence, willful ignorance and stupidity. He has like 3 conference championships in 20 YEARS. The man is an incompetent idiot

In case you missed it Lander, Tom Burman on X in a now deleted 10-24 postgame post said:

“Some clowns attacked him…” apparently referring to Tyler Hughes and his latest performances.

Burman must view any fan criticism with disdain.

Why did he delete his post?

I don’t do X but got wind of his post from a friend. I typed in the search “burman Wyoming fans clown X” and could see the post. When I clicked on it it says the page doesn’t exist.

 

[BigO4WYO]

Basement clowns. The worst.

 

[rocket city poke]

Do not lose sight of this. This latest win means nothing for him in the grand scheme of things. He has dragged a once proud athletics program to depths previously unfathomable through negligence, willful ignorance and stupidity. He has like 3 conference championships in 20 YEARS. The man is an incompetent idiot

The Air Force win (and this season) is exactly how he has remained AD. Two years of nothing, then improvement (and some wins against really bad programs) with a new President and BOT who will look at the performance and say UW is now "improving" and we need to keep building on this season. I'd expect him to get another 3 year contract from the Board and Reeves. My sense is Reeves is just assimilating and conforming to the culture at UW. Nobody (including Reeves now) has any interest in really changing the overall trajectory of the programs. Besides a few serious fans on these boards, the state, UW and the BOT really don't care to hear from us.

 

[Hotkarl]

Hes should of been fired a very long time ago

 

[LanderPoke]

The Air Force win (and this season) is exactly how he has remained AD. Two years of nothing, then improvement (and some wins against really bad programs) with a new President and BOT who will look at the performance and say UW is now "improving" and we need to keep building on this season. I'd expect him to get another 3 year contract from the Board and Reeves. My sense is Reeves is just assimilating and conforming to the culture at UW. Nobody (including Reeves now) has any interest in really changing the overall trajectory of the programs. Besides a few serious fans on these boards, the state, UW and the BOT really don't care to hear from us.

Bro. If Burman gets another contract I will lose it . Worst AD maybe of all time ever in D1 athletics. If someone made criteria and evaluated it, I don’t see how he wouldn’t come out as the worst especially considering how long he has been on the job

 

[laxwyo]

Hey guys. our offense averages 19.5 ppg so far this year when we scored 16 last year. We're a whole fg higher. extensions for everyone.

We are actually above water on yards per play 5.70 vs 5.38 given up. Last year 4.87 vs 5.24.

 

[307bball]

The issue with some sort of positive direction at this point is that it's really not that hard to go from being a bottom 10% program to just a bottom third or even slightly higher program. The churn at the bottom third of college football is really hard to get out of. I am very convinced that Sawvell is not a good coach and Wyoming is still a terrible program despite the last two games. A legit college football program could just about dog-walk the entire MWC...

 

[Vapoke]

In case you missed it Lander, Tom Burman on X in a now deleted 10-24 postgame post said:

“Some clowns attacked him…” apparently referring to Tyler Hughes and his latest performances.

Burman must view any fan criticism with disdain.

Why did he delete his post?

I don’t do X but got wind of his post from a friend. I typed in the search “burman Wyoming fans clown X” and could see the post. When I clicked on it it says the page doesn’t exist.

I just assume him getting brave on X means he is retiring this year. He has never been vocal on X, or any social media. I can't imagine he finally got the spine to try and dunk on fans unless he knew it didn't matter much.

This goes back to Bohl calling out fans as well as Johnsen earlier this year. It makes me feel like the football players could careless about the fans and the admin allows them to be arrogant while never earning it.

 

[PorkerPoke]

A legit college football program could just about dog-walk the entire MWC...

In the G6 level this is so true. There is not much of a difference between the best of the FCS and the average G6.

The FCS programs are accustomed to identifying the best players that are missing that one element but can contribute significantly. Eck at UNM has quality players no one seems to know. Polasek seems to have upgraded nicely to the FBS. Both were very good at the FCS level.

Bohl recruited physical dimensions first and raw athletic talent second. He would never have recruited a Flutie at 5’10”.

 

[McPeachy]

Bro. If Burman gets another contract I will lose it . Worst AD maybe of all time ever in D1 athletics. If someone made criteria and evaluated it, I don’t see how he wouldn’t come out as the worst especially considering how long he has been on the job

One win, one decent win, on the football field (at home) doesn't excuse the 20 years of shit that he has "brought" to Wyoming Athletics. Burman still needs to be shown the door, period. My feelings over the last 20 years for Burman didn't change based on what transpired Friday night.

 

[McPeachy]

In case you missed it Lander, Tom Burman on X in a now deleted 10-24 postgame post said:

“Some clowns attacked him…” apparently referring to Tyler Hughes and his latest performances.

Burman must view any fan criticism with disdain.

Why did he delete his post?

I don’t do X but got wind of his post from a friend. I typed in the search “burman Wyoming fans clown X” and could see the post. When I clicked on it it says the page doesn’t exist.

AI Overview


University of Wyoming Athletic Director Tom Burman drew attention on social media after referring to certain critics or fans as "clowns" on X (formerly Twitter).

The remark surfaced within fan discussions and message boards like Hell's Half Acre on On3 following frustration around the Wyoming Cowboys' football season performance and calls from some portions of the fanbase for leadership or coaching changes.

The Exchange
Instead of a single standalone tweet, the "clown" label is a prominent narrative element driven by the fans' description of his long-running administration.

• The Fan Criticism: Disgruntled fans began calling his leadership a "20-year clown show" on X, pointing directly to his track record with hiring choices.
• The Response: In response to the persistent online vitriol, vocal criticism, and coordinated calls for his firing on X and local message boards, Burman pushed back against his detractors by characterizing the most toxic or aggressive online critics as "clowns" who were unhelpful to the university's actual athletic goals.

This back-and-forth ultimately fueled the forum thread on WyoNation where community members are actively debating his performance and whether the administration should move in a different direction

 

[307bball]

This back-and-forth ultimately fueled the forum thread on WyoNation where community members are actively debating his performance and whether the administration should move in a different direction

Hahaha!!! This is funny! Who is taking the side of any Burman debate that would advocate staying the course??

 

[307bball]

In the G6 level this is so true. There is not much of a difference between the best of the FCS and the average G6.

The FCS programs are accustomed to identifying the best players that are missing that one element but can contribute significantly. Eck at UNM has quality players no one seems to know. Polasek seems to have upgraded nicely to the FBS. Both were very good at the FCS level.

Bohl recruited physical dimensions first and raw athletic talent second. He would never have recruited a Flutie at 5’10”.

The Doug Flutie example might not be the best....I think BC (not a powerhouse at the time by any means) was his only Div 1 offer. Bohl would be joined by a ton of good coaches in not recruting him.

Maybe you can educate me on this...i'm not sure I understand how recruiting works. Do Eck and Polasek have some recruting genius that others don't? I suppose that is possible but I don't think that is the biggest thing they are doing well. I would assume that Wyoming, UNM and NDSU are targeting a lot of the same players. The likeliehood of any of them being differencemakers seems to be a bit of a crapshoot at this level...it's not like any of these programs are getting highly sought after recruits. I would imagine that UW, UNM and NDSU could get all the 5' 10" QB's they wanted to get but the likeliehood of any of them being any good is not great.

Polasek and Eck are probably just fine recruiters...I just don't think anybody is miles ahead on talent evaluation than anybody else at this level. It seems to me that the better teams are just really more well-run and are really good at maximizing the players in thier programs that have risen to the top. Wyoming's players don't seem miles behind those programs (with the big exception being WR)...but Sawvell does his players no favors at all.....his preperation, game plan, and development seem really bad.

Even as I'm thinking about this...I think the QB position is probably the outlier here. Mike leach is a great example of a coach that knew what he was looking for and pretty much seemed to be able to get it.

 

[PorkerPoke]

..I just don't think anybody is miles ahead on talent evaluation than anybody else at this level. It seems to me that the better teams are just really more well-run and are really good at maximizing the players in thier programs that have risen to the top.

I agree - better teams are well run and good at maximizing their players.

To me the management portion of success is having a system and recruiting that system to each individual position. Minimizing weaknesses. If they luck out and get the performer that others overlooked it makes them look even more genius. Back in my playing days I assembled successful slow pitch softball teams. Rather than run only with my three friends, their 3 friends and their 3 friends and then trying to figure where to hide 3 or 4 weak links, I would scour the nightly leagues looking for the positions my team needed the most. I didn’t have big HR hitters but I had fundamentally sound players who could catch, throw, get on base and run all with a good attitude as a teammate. I have more “city championship” sweat shirts than I could ever wear.

I like to consider my park and rec recruiting similar to what the successful coaches with relatively unknown players do. They find players that have a skill to give their program a chance at success. It’s like the proverbial well oiled machine that produces. If the successful coaches get a superstar (Bohl and Allen) they look even more genius. Bohl had a system that was successful at being competitive. But, his system had challenges countering opponents who were able to expose the weaknesses (passing when the rush was stymied) which is why he was great at getting to 6-7 wins with 5-6 losses in the majority of his years at UW.

 

[307bball]

I agree - better teams are well run and good at maximizing their players.

To me the management portion of success is having a system and recruiting that system to each individual position. Minimizing weaknesses. If they luck out and get the performer that others overlooked it makes them look even more genius. Back in my playing days I assembled successful slow pitch softball teams. Rather than run only with my three friends, their 3 friends and their 3 friends and then trying to figure where to hide 3 or 4 weak links, I would scour the nightly leagues looking for the positions my team needed the most. I didn’t have big HR hitters but I had fundamentally sound players who could catch, throw, get on base and run all with a good attitude as a teammate. I have more “city championship” sweat shirts than I could ever wear.

I like to consider my park and rec recruiting similar to what the successful coaches with relatively unknown players do. They find players that have a skill to give their program a chance at success. It’s like the proverbial well oiled machine that produces. If the successful coaches get a superstar (Bohl and Allen) they look even more genius. Bohl had a system that was successful at being competitive. But, his system had challenges countering opponents who were able to expose the weaknesses (passing when the rush was stymied) which is why he was great at getting to 6-7 wins with 5-6 losses in the majority of his years at UW.

I get what you are saying...I just think that recruiting ability and prioritization is not the biggest difference between good and bad programs. Obviously good programs are probably better at all the things, including recruiting.

Football, more than any other sport is so much more than the sum of the parts. I have a lot of respect for Bohl... But it it's true that he wasn't able to fully maximize a legitimately talented team for a couple years.... And it's also true that his lessor talented teams were very tough and still largely competitive.

I think the caveat is the way the QB position has evolved. That position has such a huge impact. I know you are of the opinion that Bohl didn't prioritize that position correctly... Maybe... Or maybe Wyoming was getting the guys who couldn't go anywhere else... Like Josh Allen. I mean that seems like what is happening.