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[Cowboy20]

Undergraduate Cost of Attendance

Check out the latest cost of attendance information for undergraduate students at the University of Wyoming.

www.uwyo.edu

Out of state, on campus tuition is approximately $43,000. Gaining 47 out of state students that live on campus pays for the commercial. Probably why it didn’t air in some Wyoming areas and hit a lot in Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. Also, I noticed that Coach Gibson posted it on his Twitter page and as of today has 35 public replies, most of which are full of kids sending their football Huddle highlights and hitting him up for invites to camps and other opportunities. That alone says it reached future students in a way that could pay off. And the fact that having another NFL MVP come from our university is extremely unlikely, it was money well spent.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Undergraduate Cost of Attendance

Check out the latest cost of attendance information for undergraduate students at the University of Wyoming.

www.uwyo.edu

Out of state, on campus tuition is approximately $43,000. Gaining 47 out of state students that live on campus pays for the commercial. Probably why it didn’t air in some Wyoming areas and hit a lot in Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. Also, I noticed that Coach Gibson posted it on his Twitter page and as of today has 35 public replies, most of which are full of kids sending their football Huddle highlights and hitting him up for invites to camps and other opportunities. That alone says it reached future students in a way that could pay off. And the fact that having another NFL MVP come from our university is extremely unlikely, it was money well spent.

Just a correction - the $43,000 number is total cost of attendance including room and board. Tuition and fees for out of state residents is about $24,200 according to that table. I don’t think the university makes much money off room and board dollars (but I don’t know that for a fact).

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Their instruction comes from DC. It’s all tied to extreme wealthy interests. The local members are largely the pawns that implement the extreme wealthy interests (many unknowingly). If you look at the bills the group brings forward in the legislature, they are carbon copies of the bills the national freedom caucus party attempts to advance in most states. They are finding success in Wyoming because they have secured the majority and have a TON of funding to put out half truths at best and just patently false information as a typical operating practice. Wyoming has never seen, until recently, the type of out of state wealth influencing local elections. Most people have no idea what’s going on right now and in a few years it will be too late when the local small town schools have shuttered their doors for good.

They are lumping UW and public schools in with other ultra-liberal universities that do indoctrinate with only a left-wing ideology.

It's too bad. They will sacrifice WYO education to serve as a road map for their main targets which are outside of 307.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Undergraduate Cost of Attendance

Check out the latest cost of attendance information for undergraduate students at the University of Wyoming.

www.uwyo.edu

Out of state, on campus tuition is approximately $43,000. Gaining 47 out of state students that live on campus pays for the commercial. Probably why it didn’t air in some Wyoming areas and hit a lot in Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. Also, I noticed that Coach Gibson posted it on his Twitter page and as of today has 35 public replies, most of which are full of kids sending their football Huddle highlights and hitting him up for invites to camps and other opportunities. That alone says it reached future students in a way that could pay off. And the fact that having another NFL MVP come from our university is extremely unlikely, it was money well spent.

We should see a measurable increase next fall then.

 

[bullbugle307]

They are lumping UW and public schools in with other ultra-liberal universities that do indoctrinate with only a left-wing ideology.

It's too bad. They will sacrifice WYO education to serve as a road map for their main targets which are outside of 307.

I haven't posted on this board since the UW Block Grant Amendment thread. I stayed on the sidelines all throughout the cluster that was last season mostly because i was pretty disgusted with how many Wyoming fans on this board seemed to have disdain for all things UW that was non athletics. I took offense to that. Recognize that a good bunch of the regular posters here were singing a different tune then. I seem to recall quite a few people accusing the university of being a liberal indoctrination institution then explicity. And they really wanted the to legislature to have more control over the university.

It seems at least some of those folks are singing a different tune only once they realized football could be affected. Or maybe a few have genuine buyers remorse.

Either way, it's interesting.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

UW Says It's “Too Early To Say” Return On $2 Million Josh Allen Super Bowl Ad

The University of Wyoming spent $2 million to run a 30-second ad during the Super Bowl featuring newly minted NFL MVP and UW alum Josh Allen to create a…

cowboystatedaily.com

Cowboy State Daily article on cost benefit analysis of ad. University is probably correct in its analysis that it’s too early to determine or estimate the impact. Apparently there was an increase of 1500 new viewers to the university of Wyoming website year over year so that’s one data point.

But a lot of the complaining over the years on here has been the ‘good enough’ mentality and the university’s resistance to trying something new. I’d say this is certainly taking a big shot.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I haven't posted on this board since the UW Block Grant Amendment thread. I stayed on the sidelines all throughout the cluster that was last season mostly because i was pretty disgusted with how many Wyoming fans on this board seemed to have disdain for all things UW that was non athletics. I took offense to that. Recognize that a good bunch of the regular posters here were singing a different tune then. I seem to recall quite a few people accusing the university of being a liberal indoctrination institution then explicity. And they really wanted the to legislature to have more control over the university.

It seems at least some of those folks are singing a different tune only once they realized football could be affected. Or maybe a few have genuine buyers remorse.

Either way, it's interesting.

If you are referencing me, I still say voters have a right to run the state how they want to run the state. The votes are in.

I'd say UW is probably liberal enough to get lumped into the ultra liberal university category in the minds of voters in Wyoming. At very least UW is detached from the general population. I guess in that sense, they made their bed. The freedom caucus has bigger goals nationally but like all politics starts with the easiest target.

UW will be just fine if they navigate correctly. For football, we may be approaching an era where football isn't a good option any longer, I don't know? For the rest of the state's public education, I didn't hear a ton of complaints previously so I was surprised the freedom caucus took after that as hard as they did. Vouchers weren't surprising but some of the others had more of a "national agenda feel".

My take anyway.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

UW Says It's “Too Early To Say” Return On $2 Million Josh Allen Super Bowl Ad

The University of Wyoming spent $2 million to run a 30-second ad during the Super Bowl featuring newly minted NFL MVP and UW alum Josh Allen to create a…

cowboystatedaily.com

Cowboy State Daily article on cost benefit analysis of ad. University is probably correct in its analysis that it’s too early to determine or estimate the impact. Apparently there was an increase of 1500 new viewers to the university of Wyoming website year over year so that’s one data point.

But a lot of the complaining over the years on here has been the ‘good enough’ mentality and the university’s resistance to trying something new. I’d say this is certainly taking a big shot.

If it gets results, kudos. I personally don't think it will do much. 2 mill for a "boots on the ground" campaign in CO would have been more effective. Again, just opinion but I'm sure we'll revisit in the fall.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

For the rest of the state's public education, I didn't hear a ton of complaints previously so I was surprised the freedom caucus took after that as hard as they did. Vouchers weren't surprising but some of the others had more of a "national agenda feel".

My take anyway.

One of the freedom caucus’ prized legislation will take the mineral trust funds designated for public schools and pay people for every kid that they claim to have a sum of $7000 annually to spend (or not) on whatever ‘education’ the people desire for their kids. Suddenly, I suspect we will have a lot more kids ‘living’ in Wyoming if this comes to pass.

I’d love one person to explain to me how this is going to be helpful to the small rural schools which are already struggling to justify keeping the doors open from a financial perspective. I’d love one person to explain to me how this is a good use of public money for the government to simply pay people in a system that will be littered with fraud and abuse. Not the Republican ideals I grew up with.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

One of the freedom caucus’ prized legislation will take the mineral trust funds designated for public schools and pay people for every kid that they claim to have a sum of $7000 annually to spend (or not) on whatever ‘education’ the people desire for their kids. Suddenly, I suspect we will have a lot more kids ‘living’ in Wyoming if this comes to pass.

I’d love one person to explain to me how this is going to be helpful to the small rural schools which are already struggling to justify keeping the doors open from a financial perspective. I’d love one person to explain to me how this is a good use of public money for the government to simply pay people in a system that will be littered with fraud and abuse. Not the Republican ideals I grew up with.

Same complaints at start of AZ's. I haven't followed closely but haven't read about a public education collapse there. I'm sure you can find fringe articles both ways.

There's data out there showing the benefits of school choice which are many in some circumstances.

It's more likely that in small rural WY, some religions could take over the education in those areas.

School choice can be a big benefit in some situations. For WYO? I guess we'll find out.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Quick AZ comparison. Voucher program exceeded expected costs by a lot mainly driven by 2 things: 1) added cost from students who now received a voucher and previously didn't (home or private school and 2) not enough students left public school to increase the savings to the state.

Major demographic difference between AZ and WYO is only 3% of an already small population attend private or home school in WYO. Unless religions or other slink in and take kids, the AZ data would suggest there will be a minor increase to the education budget to those attending private or home school with little impact on public schools.

 

[307bball]

We should see a measurable increase next fall then.

Same complaints at start of AZ's. I haven't followed closely but haven't read about a public education collapse there. I'm sure you can find fringe articles both ways.

There's data out there showing the benefits of school choice which are many in some circumstances.

It's more likely that in small rural WY, some religions could take over the education in those areas.

School choice can be a big benefit in some situations. For WYO? I guess we'll find out.

My understanding of the school choice debate is that it is completely orthogonal to Wyoming. Isn't it more of a big deal in urban areas with lots options or the possibility of lots of options? I don't think the charter school industry is trying real hard in places like Lander or Wheatland. That's just my understanding of it.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

My understanding of the school choice debate is that it is completely orthogonal to Wyoming. Isn't it more of a big deal in urban areas with lots options or the possibility of lots of options? I don't think the charter school industry is trying real hard in places like Lander or Wheatland. That's just my understanding of it.

I agree. Like I said above, I think it opens the door for some religions which dominate certain areas to take over education in those areas. I have no idea if they will. Assuming no major player stepping in and doing that, I bet there's not a big change other than increased cost due to payment of home/private school.

 

[LanderPoke]

Freedom caucus is horrible. They truly don’t value education and if they had their way we’d all be living as if it’s 1870 on the frontier on our own homesteads driving horse and buggy. They are insane.

Like Oredigger has alluded to, education and the jobs associated are what basically props up some small towns in Wyoming. Take Cokeville or Burlington or Baggs, towns of 500 people. How many jobs do the schools provide there? Like 40 or more? Take those jobs away and those communities are f****. Families with kids will move away and the towns will die. Is that what we want? We want Wyoming to wither and die?

It may be a form of welfare in a way, but we need to stay committed to providing quality education to everyone e in this state and we should have have a respectable university because we aren’t backwards hicks, unlike the freedom caucus.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Freedom caucus is horrible. They truly don’t value education and if they had their way we’d all be living as if it’s 1870 on the frontier on our own homesteads driving horse and buggy. They are insane.

Like Oredigger has alluded to, education and the jobs associated are what basically props up some small towns in Wyoming. Take Cokeville or Burlington or Baggs, towns of 500 people. How many jobs do the schools provide there? Like 40 or more? Take those jobs away and those communities are f****. Families with kids will move away and the towns will die. Is that what we want? We want Wyoming to wither and die?

It may be a form of welfare in a way, but we need to stay committed to providing quality education to everyone e in this state and we should have have a respectable university because we aren’t backwards hicks, unlike the freedom caucus.

Nailed it. Our small town communities really can only exist if we have local schools. Without that, the town's economy falls apart, people move elsewhere and the ancillary small town restaurants and stores close up shop. Cheyenne and Casper will be fine either way; schools don't make the economies in those cities. Ironically, it is the Cheyenne and Casper legislators who appear to be doing the most to try and preserve our system of small town education.

The Founders of the State of Wyoming knew this well as they provided:
Text of Section 1:
Legislature to Provide for Public Schools

Article 7, Section 1 of the Wyoming Constitution The legislature shall provide for the establishment and maintenance of a complete and uniform system of public instruction, embracing free elementary schools of every needed kind and grade, a university with such technical and professional departments as the public good may require and the means of the state allow, and such other institutions as may be necessary.[1]

But I don't believe the Freedom Caucus care what the folks who established the State of Wyoming thought. They have brought their personal ideals here from the States many (including their leadership) recently moved from and they know best what is good for Wyoming according to them.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

In what way do you think the vouchers will eliminate the small schools or is there other proposals you feel will do that?

Will most parents in those areas pull their kids from schools? Burns has what 300 kids? Nobody is going in there to take over schools for 21k.

How much is freedom caucus proposing to cut from existing schools? Cutting positions?

Again, not being an ass. Just wondering how schools will be destroyed? If just vouchers, I'm not sure they'll really do much?

 

[OrediggerPoke]

In what way do you think the vouchers will eliminate the small schools or is there other proposals you feel will do that?

Will most parents in those areas pull their kids from schools? Burns has what 300 kids? Nobody is going in there to take over schools for 21k.

How much is freedom caucus proposing to cut from existing schools? Cutting positions?

Again, not being an ass. Just wondering how schools will be destroyed? If just vouchers, I'm not sure they'll really do much?

You can read the 900 bills on the legislative website of which about 750 or so are freedom caucus bills. There are probably about 50 bills or so related to the freedom caucus view of education. The defunding starts next year; this isn’t a budget session. Next year will be the first time the freedom caucus entirely controls the purse on spending.

I would hardly call the $7000 payments as even vouchers; it’s literally a payment to anyone with a kid (or claiming a kid) who doesn’t enroll in public school. There’s really no oversight. The money is taken directly from funds that are currently directed toward public secondary education. Accordingly, every dollar paid out is one less dollar toward public education. Do mom and dad struggling to get by in rural Lovell decide to send the 2 kids to school or decide that they would rather have a yearly check from the state for an additional $14K?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I would hardly call the $7000 payments as even vouchers; it’s literally a payment to anyone with a kid (or claiming a kid) who doesn’t enroll in public school. There’s really no oversight. The money is taken directly from funds that are currently directed toward public secondary education. Accordingly, every dollar paid out is one less dollar toward public education. Do mom and dad struggling to get by in rural Lovell decide to send the 2 kids to school or decide that they would rather have a yearly check from the state for an additional $14K?

We'll never know until/unless the system passes. I personally doubt there will be many people pulling kids out for money. I can see it costing a little more because they'll be paying the 3% that are already private or home-schooled.

Now, will a certain church see $7k/kid and decide to run with it? Maybe.

 

[Outlaw Arthur Morgan]

School vouchers are a terrible idea. If you want your child to attend private school, that should be your financial responsibility—not something subsidized by taxpayers. If public money is being redirected to private school, then taxpayers should be refunded the cost that we would have paid for your kid to get an education. Otherwise, vouchers are nothing more than a money grab - getting something for nothing. I'll gladly keep my refund and remember to vote for the school board I see fit in the next election.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Taxes go to private contractors all the time. People use tax-funded and private medical including those on medicare/Medicaid.

97% of WYO kids go to public schools. What is a catastrophic drop and what percentage of those attending public do you think switch as a result of vouchers?