McPeachy
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Set him up. Hookers and blow. Other "schools" do it!
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Fire Sawvel
- Thread starter johnywyo
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Hell .Set me up, I could use at least the hookers.
Finances very well may dictate that Sawvel is back next year. It will be disastrous for the Wyoming football program, but it is the reality we face.
Assuming Burman also keeps his job, I will be very interested to hear the mental gymnastics he uses to justify bringing Sawvel back for another year. I mean, not only did Sawvel not meet the expectations outlined at his hiring, he actually did the exact opposite. Seems impossible for Burman to justify bringing him back. My guess is ‘injuries’ will be the scapegoat.
Now if Burman came out and said they would really like to get rid of Sawvel but just don’t have the finances to do it, I’d respect that. What a weird world we live in when hearing the truth is such an outlier.
Assuming Burman also keeps his job, I will be very interested to hear the mental gymnastics he uses to justify bringing Sawvel back for another year. I mean, not only did Sawvel not meet the expectations outlined at his hiring, he actually did the exact opposite. Seems impossible for Burman to justify bringing him back. My guess is ‘injuries’ will be the scapegoat.
Now if Burman came out and said they would really like to get rid of Sawvel but just don’t have the finances to do it, I’d respect that. What a weird world we live in when hearing the truth is such an outlier.
bladerunnr
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I doubt it's money. We just agreed to a conference money split that cost us millions. Yeah, we had a gun to our heads, but no one with 1/2 a brain can explain why Sawvel deserves a 2nd season with the talent he inherited. But this is Tom Burman were talking about. He hired Heath Schroyer, who took a team with pretty decent talent (Brandon Ewing, Brad Jones), and coached us right into the play in game, which we lost to a csewe team that hadn't won a single conference game. At the end of the next season, he extended him! Insane.
OrediggerPoke
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Money is definitely an issue. But it’s actually the conference money split that might let us get away from Sawvel and staff early. The first payout from withheld conference revenue of the Benedict 5 should hit about June 2026.
That is still another full season away so I still would can Burman now and let the new AD look for a replacement if desired when the money starts flowing.
bladerunnr
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Can't his buyout be negotiated? People talk like it's set in stone. They can make him an offer he can't refuse. There's this guy, Luca Brasi, he can get the buyout to go waaaaaay lower.
OrediggerPoke
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I’d imagine that there’s little incentive for Sawvel to negotiate down the guaranteed money. Who’s beating down Sawvel’s door to go coach there (be it assistant or whatever)?
ragtimejoe1
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The cost to fire PBJ will be cheaper than keeping PBJ.
Ask the state for 250 mill to put in endowment for "mwc transition". For 5 years, the athletic department gets the (guessing) 10-17 million/year endowment payout. At the end of 5 years, the 250 mill goes back to the state.
Ask the state for 250 mill to put in endowment for "mwc transition". For 5 years, the athletic department gets the (guessing) 10-17 million/year endowment payout. At the end of 5 years, the 250 mill goes back to the state.
I think what should happen is that Burman goes to him and tells him that he will be fired unless he restructures his deal to lower the buyout. Granted, this costs us another year of garbage football, but we may have little choice. The argument to Sawvel goes - you clearly are not doing great and I either have to $hitcan you now or get some concession that if you continue the death spiral next year, you are gone. You can bet on yourself and come back to win, making the drastically reduced buyout next year a non-threatening thing or you acknowledge you are crap and I fire you today. The guy took over a team that won 9 games and drove it into the ground.
OrediggerPoke
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Sounds great but why on earth would Sawvel accept that? He doesn’t need to bet on himself. He already has the winning hand. He can say - - we have a contract, you owe me the money…and if you fire me now, you owe me the money now. He may be an awful head coach but you can’t fault the guy for telling the University we have a deal and I intend to uphold my end of the bargain by being the head coach until you fire me and I intend to hold you accountable for your end of the bargain which includes the contract length of guaranteed salary.
This is on Burman.
OrediggerPoke
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In case you forgot - the base salary and additional compensation is GUARANTEED throughout the entire 5 year deal. It isn’t a pay a buyout get out of jail free card contract.
Contract details released for new Wyoming Cowboys head coach Jay Sawvel
Jay Sawvel, who will replace Craig Bohl as Wyoming's head coach following the Arizona Bowl, has signed a five-year, $5.8 million contract.
LanderPoke
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Burman is such a rwtardes nitwit to give a coach with literally zero market value such a sweet deal. Fire his dumb assIn case you forgot - the base salary and additional compensation is GUARANTEED throughout the entire 5 year deal. It isn’t a pay a buyout get out of jail free card contract.
Contract details released for new Wyoming Cowboys head coach Jay Sawvel
Jay Sawvel, who will replace Craig Bohl as Wyoming's head coach following the Arizona Bowl, has signed a five-year, $5.8 million contract.trib.com
One thing I have never understood is why piss poor performance is considered "without cause".
Am I to understand that as long as you show up, don't commit any crimes, and go through the motions of being a head coach, that is enough to meet the obligations of the job? Maybe these coaching contracts need to be more explicit in terms of what constitutes fulfillment of job duties.
Am I to understand that as long as you show up, don't commit any crimes, and go through the motions of being a head coach, that is enough to meet the obligations of the job? Maybe these coaching contracts need to be more explicit in terms of what constitutes fulfillment of job duties.
It would make sense. However, the lawyers/agents for coaches would go ape-shit over it!!!!
It is absolutely on Burman. Sawvel has the winning hand. The only thing in it for him is to get another year to coach Wyoming. If he doesn't take the deal, he gets fired immediately - and he gets to take his payout. Depends on whether he is motivated more by money or winning and proving he can win.
OrediggerPoke
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My candid advice to him in would be to take the money.
The likelihood of him and the current staff turning this around isn’t good at all and there will be plenty of defensive assistant jobs elsewhere who might want his services.OrediggerPoke
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Cause is usually defined in the agreements themselves. Usually it is defined as breaking criminal, university or NCAA rules or engaging in other conduct that would be considered unethical.
Coaches with any bargaining power aren’t going to agree to ‘guaranteed’ contracts that then define cause as wins and losses…it no longer becomes a guaranteed contract if that’s the case.
Did Sawvel have any bargaining power?
OrediggerPoke
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No. Which is why Burman needs to be held accountable for a 5 year guaranteed contract without a reasonable buyout escape clause. It’s ludicrous that this is the contract he agreed to.
It should have been a 3 year initial deal with an option for the University to terminate early on the payment of like $500,000.
