Your stance?

[ragtimejoe1]

I can see that the stage is set for a whole bunch of he said she said crap in the coming weeks. It seems we already have some equating those that question Bohl with fans who threw shit in 99.

Here is mine:

I'm still 100% in Bohls corner and think a lot can change from game 1. I do think Bohl and company were talking the talk and drinking the Kool-Aid until reality bitched slapped them. The true test of their character is now, not last Saturday.

For the first time since hiring Bohl, for me at least, I had a glimpse of doubt. I don't think there is any guarantee one way or the other, but we should not have regressed this much. The game-plan was abysmal. Every coachable aspect that could be controlled was atrocious. The loss was not just a sign of youth but also of terrible preparation.

I am not panicked. I still think Bohl is the guy for the job but he has some to learn as well. Youth will definitely play a role in performance and I hope to see much cleaner and crisper play. Since we are playing so much youth, I would hope to see significant progress from now until our last game. I disagree that we need 4 more or even 3 more years to make an evaluation. If the coaching and play doesn't clean up by the end of this year, I'll have serious questions. Last Saturday is not the end of the world and things could get MUCH better, but it was damn sure reason for some concern and urgency to trickle in. I think after next year or the following year, we better be a pretty solid football team and I think that is the timeline for evaluating Bohl's program. If the wheels completely fall off next year, then that should be considered.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

A loss like that is just an extremely dramatic way to open a season. No way around that fact. Are people scared? You bet! How can any Wyoming fan know if we're even gonna win a game this year? Those are fair thoughts right now and we've all become too familiar with those types of football seasons that just keep imploding to new lows. There can still be hope for this season because there are still games ahead and I guess its too early for (insert force fed rhetoric here) real cowboy tough fans to jump ship. VERY traumatic opener though. Will this season be viewed like passing a train wreck or an automobile accident for entertainment or will the fans get to see seeds planted for the future success? Stay tuned if you can. I'm finding it entertaining enough in our own created drama here in the fanbase :lol:

 

[J-Rod]

I'm not going to lie, I was shocked. I knew rebuilding was a process. EVERYONE knew as far back as 2011 that 2015 would be a tough season. This team is young, inexperienced, and frankly we can't even conclude if they're all that talented just yet.

I'm still in Bohl's corner. I brought his name up as a potential successor to DC after the Texas State loss. That said, after reviewing the reaction this week, I think some fans have to reevaluate expectations. I'm NOT saying lower the bar for the program, but some people seem to think the end game in the Bohl era is 9+ wins a season and access bowls. Frankly, I'm not sure if that will ever happen. I'd be glad if Bohl got Wyoming to an SDSU/USU-ish level where the team wins around 7-9 a season and competes in every game. Dare I say, that might be the ceiling for this era.

This program has made 3 bowl games since 2000. When you really think about that, it's kinda of funny how high the bar is for some. Bohl needs to be Boise State or this thing is a failure! Gawd, I read several MW boards this week to see reaction to our loss and Jesus, they talk about us like we're the grandfathered program that needs to be kicked out. We're a long ways away from glory.

I still think Bohl can and will succeed, but the crowd who thinks this all ends in Rose Bowl trophies is going to eternally be a miserable Wyoming fan. Bohl WILL succeed, but maybe not to the unrealistic expectations of some.

Again, not lowering the bar, but I'm not on this "IF BOHL DOESN'T WIN BIG FIRE HIM!!!" bandwagon.

 

[PokeOLoco]

I'm scared. More so than before (I know it's in the moment) I am worried that we are not providing our program with the resources needed to be successful, and if Bohl can't get it done, we may never be able to get it done. I know that's ridiculous, if programs like SJSU and USU can rise from the ashes then we can too.. but damn it I'm scared that may never happen.

 

[BJC]

I'm scared. More so than before (I know it's in the moment) I am worried that we are not providing our program with the resources needed to be successful, and if Bohl can't get it done, we may never be able to get it done. I know that's ridiculous, if programs like SJSU and USU can rise from the ashes then we can too.. but damn it I'm scared that may never happen.

+1

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I'll add another thought to this. UNLV was as low or lower than we were and is very much in a rebuilding process. They also have budget issues, tough recruiting issues, and a common trend for losing.

They hired a high school coach (I actually liked the hire) who brought in some pretty good assistants. If UNLV greatly outpaces us in terms of building a winning team (I know, big if), I better damn sure not hear a bunch of excuses from WYO. There is no reason our rebuild should be worse or slower than UNLV's (if either one of us is able to build something).

 

[Yabadabadoo]

My stance? Until further notice I am 100% confident in the direction of the program. This is year II of a rebuild phase. Ups and downs, and plenty of them are on the horizon. Worried? Not in the least. In Bohl I trust. He's earned it.

 

[TSpoke]

I can see that the stage is set for a whole bunch of he said she said crap in the coming weeks. It seems we already have some equating those that question Bohl with fans who threw shit in 99.

Here is mine:

I'm still 100% in Bohls corner and think a lot can change from game 1. I do think Bohl and company were talking the talk and drinking the Kool-Aid until reality bitched slapped them. The true test of their character is now, not last Saturday.

For the first time since hiring Bohl, for me at least, I had a glimpse of doubt. I don't think there is any guarantee one way or the other, but we should not have regressed this much. The game-plan was abysmal. Every coachable aspect that could be controlled was atrocious. The loss was not just a sign of youth but also of terrible preparation.

I am not panicked. I still think Bohl is the guy for the job but he has some to learn as well. Youth will definitely play a role in performance and I hope to see much cleaner and crisper play. Since we are playing so much youth, I would hope to see significant progress from now until our last game. I disagree that we need 4 more or even 3 more years to make an evaluation. If the coaching and play doesn't clean up by the end of this year, I'll have serious questions. Last Saturday is not the end of the world and things could get MUCH better, but it was damn sure reason for some concern and urgency to trickle in. I think after next year or the following year, we better be a pretty solid football team and I think that is the timeline for evaluating Bohl's program. If the wheels completely fall off next year, then that should be considered.

Pretty much the same. I am still behind the team and the staff but am starting to have doubts. A game like last week shouldn't have happened no matter the circumstances. I can't see how anyone watched the last game and doesn't have some doubts creeping in. If you choose to ignore the doubts that is fine but to not have any? I won't give up on the team but I am becoming concerned. We'll have to wait for the next few games to find out how concerned I will be.

 

[JimmyDimes]

My stance? Until further notice I am 100% confident in the direction of the program. This is year II of a rebuild phase. Ups and downs, and plenty of them are on the horizon. Worried? Not in the least. In Bohl I trust. He's earned it.

This is how I look at it. I'll give Bohl time to build the program his way. Comparing our situation to UNLV is apples and oranges......but in two to three years we will know who did a better job. Until then, apples and oranges.

We have the 2nd fewest seniors in all the land and played more underclassmen the juniors and seniors. Need to let these guys get experience.

 

[djm19]

Although Coffman seems like he could be pretty formidable, do you pull the plug and go with younger QB as well? So we are not having same growing pains next year at qb? This RS Senior thing I don't like.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

I can see that the stage is set for a whole bunch of he said she said crap in the coming weeks. It seems we already have some equating those that question Bohl with fans who threw shit in 99.

Here is mine:

I'm still 100% in Bohls corner and think a lot can change from game 1. I do think Bohl and company were talking the talk and drinking the Kool-Aid until reality bitched slapped them. The true test of their character is now, not last Saturday.

For the first time since hiring Bohl, for me at least, I had a glimpse of doubt. I don't think there is any guarantee one way or the other, but we should not have regressed this much. The game-plan was abysmal. Every coachable aspect that could be controlled was atrocious. The loss was not just a sign of youth but also of terrible preparation.

I am not panicked. I still think Bohl is the guy for the job but he has some to learn as well. Youth will definitely play a role in performance and I hope to see much cleaner and crisper play. Since we are playing so much youth, I would hope to see significant progress from now until our last game. I disagree that we need 4 more or even 3 more years to make an evaluation. If the coaching and play doesn't clean up by the end of this year, I'll have serious questions. Last Saturday is not the end of the world and things could get MUCH better, but it was damn sure reason for some concern and urgency to trickle in. I think after next year or the following year, we better be a pretty solid football team and I think that is the timeline for evaluating Bohl's program. If the wheels completely fall off next year, then that should be considered.

Pretty much the same. I am still behind the team and the staff but am starting to have doubts. A game like last week shouldn't have happened no matter the circumstances. I can't see how anyone watched the last game and doesn't have some doubts creeping in. If you choose to ignore the doubts that is fine but to not have any? I won't give up on the team but I am becoming concerned. We'll have to wait for the next few games to find out how concerned I will be.

Let me be even more direct: The Pokes could go 3-9 this season, and my confidence would still be as supreme at the end of this season - as it is right now.

 

[TSpoke]

I can see that the stage is set for a whole bunch of he said she said crap in the coming weeks. It seems we already have some equating those that question Bohl with fans who threw shit in 99.

Here is mine:

I'm still 100% in Bohls corner and think a lot can change from game 1. I do think Bohl and company were talking the talk and drinking the Kool-Aid until reality bitched slapped them. The true test of their character is now, not last Saturday.

For the first time since hiring Bohl, for me at least, I had a glimpse of doubt. I don't think there is any guarantee one way or the other, but we should not have regressed this much. The game-plan was abysmal. Every coachable aspect that could be controlled was atrocious. The loss was not just a sign of youth but also of terrible preparation.

I am not panicked. I still think Bohl is the guy for the job but he has some to learn as well. Youth will definitely play a role in performance and I hope to see much cleaner and crisper play. Since we are playing so much youth, I would hope to see significant progress from now until our last game. I disagree that we need 4 more or even 3 more years to make an evaluation. If the coaching and play doesn't clean up by the end of this year, I'll have serious questions. Last Saturday is not the end of the world and things could get MUCH better, but it was damn sure reason for some concern and urgency to trickle in. I think after next year or the following year, we better be a pretty solid football team and I think that is the timeline for evaluating Bohl's program. If the wheels completely fall off next year, then that should be considered.

Pretty much the same. I am still behind the team and the staff but am starting to have doubts. A game like last week shouldn't have happened no matter the circumstances. I can't see how anyone watched the last game and doesn't have some doubts creeping in. If you choose to ignore the doubts that is fine but to not have any? I won't give up on the team but I am becoming concerned. We'll have to wait for the next few games to find out how concerned I will be.

Let me be even more direct: The Pokes could go 3-9 this season, and my confidence would still be as supreme at the end of this season - as it is right now.

3-9 would be just under my range of wins I thought we could have this year so I would be a bit dissapointed but not too much so we actually are pretty close there.

What if we are 1-11 or 0-12? That would cause concern for me and after what I saw on Saturday I think that is a possibility. Im not predicting that outcome cause I have to beleive the team will get better and I'm not an asshole. But if we don't improve 3-9 is a far reach.

 

[PokeOLoco]

Although Coffman seems like he could be pretty formidable, do you pull the plug and go with younger QB as well? So we are not having same growing pains next year at qb? This RS Senior thing I don't like.

If we're 0-5

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Well...look it, the coaching staff, and Bohl in particular won't come out and say this, but the fact is that at this point in the program, they are willing to sacrifice 'wins' for 'development' in every area of the football team. This is why I stated weeks ago that this season could be one of positive note, growing, and developing, despite a won-loss record that an outsider would not be able to discern. This is not a good football team fellas. Anyone who thought they would be a good football team has deluded only themselves. The last quarter of this season I expect them to play their best football. Even in doing that it may not result with us having more points on the scoreboard at the end of the 4th quarter than the other team. Silly rabbits...enjoy the ride to the top and say you were there when this process just got underway. In Bohl we trust. He's earned it.

 

[SDPokeFan]

My stance is well known and often lamented on this board. I don' t think Wyoming will ever be competitive at the FBS level again. I think the program is what it is; a poor to middling program that mostly will win four or five games, sprinkled in with frequent truly dreadful seasons (of which this looks like it could be one of those) with the occasional seven or (if the stars align right) eight win season. I think we belong in FCS. I just don't get being in FBS just to be in FBS, like it's some medal of honor when you can't field a decent team.

I don't think it matters who the coach is. Like all those who have tried since Joe Tiller's nice couple of years, I think Bohl will have his four of five years, not do much, and be fired. Then a new guy will come in, declare he is changing the program (like they all have) have a catchy new saying ("Cowboy Tough"), ("Power River, Let 'Er Buck"), and then proceed to get his ass handed to him on Saturdays.

I was born and raised in Wyoming. I will always be a fan. And I hope against hope that a coach or Cowboy team will prove me wrong. The past 20 years tells me that my line of thinking is probably the correct line of thinking. There's hope, and then there is results. We have seen the results. I would like to see us pour our resources into basketball, a program we have seen can win. I believe in basketball, where you need less players, we can build a solid program in the Gonzaga vein. Football, I don't believe will ever happen, unless we drop down a level. Maybe not even then. Not a popular thought I know, but my thought, none the less.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

My stance is well known and often lamented on this board. I don' t think Wyoming will ever be competitive at the FBS level again. I think the program is what it is; a poor to middling program that mostly will win four or five games, sprinkled in with frequent truly dreadful seasons (of which this looks like it could be one of those) with the occasional seven or (if the stars align right) eight win season. I think we belong in FCS. I just don't get being in FBS just to be in FBS, like it's some medal of honor when you can't field a decent team.

I don't think it matters who the coach is. Like all those who have tried since Joe Tiller's nice couple of years, I think Bohl will have his four of five years, not do much, and be fired. Then a new guy will come in, declare he is changing the program (like they all have) have a catchy new saying ("Cowboy Tough"), ("Power River, Let 'Er Buck"), and then proceed to get his ass handed to him on Saturdays.

I was born and raised in Wyoming. I will always be a fan. And I hope against hope that a coach or Cowboy team will prove me wrong. The past 20 years tells me that my line of thinking is probably the correct line of thinking. There's hope, and then there is results. We have seen the results. I would like to see us pour our resources into basketball, a program we have seen can win. I believe in basketball, where you need less players, we can build a solid program in the Gonzaga vein. Football, I don't believe will ever happen, unless we drop down a level. Maybe not even then. Not a popular thought I know, but my thought, none the less.

Coach Bohl just phoned me...he wants to know if you can address the team before they roar out onto the field this Saturday?

 

[SDPokeFan]

My stance is well known and often lamented on this board. I don' t think Wyoming will ever be competitive at the FBS level again. I think the program is what it is; a poor to middling program that mostly will win four or five games, sprinkled in with frequent truly dreadful seasons (of which this looks like it could be one of those) with the occasional seven or (if the stars align right) eight win season. I think we belong in FCS. I just don't get being in FBS just to be in FBS, like it's some medal of honor when you can't field a decent team.

I don't think it matters who the coach is. Like all those who have tried since Joe Tiller's nice couple of years, I think Bohl will have his four of five years, not do much, and be fired. Then a new guy will come in, declare he is changing the program (like they all have) have a catchy new saying ("Cowboy Tough"), ("Power River, Let 'Er Buck"), and then proceed to get his ass handed to him on Saturdays.

I was born and raised in Wyoming. I will always be a fan. And I hope against hope that a coach or Cowboy team will prove me wrong. The past 20 years tells me that my line of thinking is probably the correct line of thinking. There's hope, and then there is results. We have seen the results. I would like to see us pour our resources into basketball, a program we have seen can win. I believe in basketball, where you need less players, we can build a solid program in the Gonzaga vein. Football, I don't believe will ever happen, unless we drop down a level. Maybe not even then. Not a popular thought I know, but my thought, none the less.

Coach Bohl just phoned me...he wants to know if you can address the team before they roar out onto the field this Saturday?

I'm busy Saturday but plan to be at the New Mexico game. I'd be happy to deliver this speech before that game! :thumb:

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Comparing our situation to UNLV is apples and oranges......but in two to three years we will know who did a better job. Until then, apples and oranges.

Why? Theoretically, we should get there faster because we are playing young players now and taking our lumps while they are not. The stage is set for us to be successful faster, right? How can you possibly argue otherwise?

They are a MWC team in as bad or worse situation than us. It seems like the most apples to apples comparison we can make.

 

[PokeOLoco]

Right, and they have far less support, and have had much less success historically and recently. It's a perfectly reasonable comparison, except they should be worse off.

 

[Wyovanian]

My stance is well known and often lamented on this board. I don' t think Wyoming will ever be competitive at the FBS level again. I think the program is what it is; a poor to middling program that mostly will win four or five games, sprinkled in with frequent truly dreadful seasons (of which this looks like it could be one of those) with the occasional seven or (if the stars align right) eight win season. I think we belong in FCS. I just don't get being in FBS just to be in FBS, like it's some medal of honor when you can't field a decent team.

I don't think it matters who the coach is. Like all those who have tried since Joe Tiller's nice couple of years, I think Bohl will have his four of five years, not do much, and be fired. Then a new guy will come in, declare he is changing the program (like they all have) have a catchy new saying ("Cowboy Tough"), ("Power River, Let 'Er Buck"), and then proceed to get his ass handed to him on Saturdays.

I was born and raised in Wyoming. I will always be a fan. And I hope against hope that a coach or Cowboy team will prove me wrong. The past 20 years tells me that my line of thinking is probably the correct line of thinking. There's hope, and then there is results. We have seen the results. I would like to see us pour our resources into basketball, a program we have seen can win. I believe in basketball, where you need less players, we can build a solid program in the Gonzaga vein. Football, I don't believe will ever happen, unless we drop down a level. Maybe not even then. Not a popular thought I know, but my thought, none the less.

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