Wyoming vs Houston Thread

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

 

[NowherePoke]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

Not to defend the defense necessarily, but last night's game was tied at 69 at the end of regulation.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

Not to defend the defense necessarily, but last night's game was tied at 69 at the end of regulation.

Defend all you want, this team has not performed defensively this season. I can never remember watching a team allow so many wide open threes and wide open point blank lay ups. And seemingly unable to ever put its foot down and make a stop when it needs it the most. Its slightly concerning. Cal, could have won that game at the end with a stop. The game against Southern, we could never get a stop. Last night, we could never make a stop when we needed it. Our last couple wins we couldn't make stops really either, the other teams just ran out of time. I don't know. I am as frustrated as I am sure they are too. There are a lot go L's on our records that could easily be W with a few slightly different plays. Its not like were getting outmatched by anyone really.

 

[seattlecowboy]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

Not to defend the defense necessarily, but last night's game was tied at 69 at the end of regulation.

Defend all you want, this team has not performed defensively this season. I can never remember watching a team allow so many wide open threes and wide open point blank lay ups. Its slightly concerning.

Part of it is we are playing at a faster pace and the other part is we have a lot of young guys still trying to get the "Shyatt way" of defense down. We only have a couple upper classmen. For a Shyatt team this is the worst from a defensive stand point he has had but that is what comes with the territory with the 4th youngest team in the country.

Josh is having a year for the ages so it is fun to watch but from an overall team perspective I think we will be a better overall team next year. Just too much youth still learning right now in my opinion.

 

[wyokoke]

I also noticed in all other games, Josh averaged 2.7 turnovers. The last 2, he had 7 and 9. I only got to listen to about 10 min of the Marshall game, but with how close they were it seems like that could be the difference right there.

 

[seattlecowboy]

I also noticed in all other games, Josh averaged 2.7 turnovers. The last 2, he had 7 and 9. I only got to listen to about 10 min of the Marshall game, but with how close they were it seems like that could be the difference right there.

Yeah true. I was frustrated with those turnovers myself but then on the other hand without Josh we get blown out both games most likely. So have to take a few bad turnovers with all the good things he does for us. I think some of the turnovers was more from him trying to do so much to keep us fighting and keep us in the game he gets worn down. Obviously couldn't watch so don't know for sure but just from the sounds of listening to Dave and Kevin sounded like Josh and JMac were doing everything they could both games just to keep us in it.

 

[307bball]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

Not to defend the defense necessarily, but last night's game was tied at 69 at the end of regulation.

Defend all you want, this team has not performed defensively this season. I can never remember watching a team allow so many wide open threes and wide open point blank lay ups. Its slightly concerning.

Part of it is we are playing at a faster pace and the other part is we have a lot of young guys still trying to get the "Shyatt way" of defense down. We only have a couple upper classmen. For a Shyatt team this is the worst from a defensive stand point he has had but that is what comes with the territory with the 4th youngest team in the country.

Josh is having a year for the ages so it is fun to watch but from an overall team perspective I think we will be a better overall team next year. Just too much youth still learning right now in my opinion.

There is no way that this team will match the defense that we saw the last couple years. The luxury of recklessly closing out on three point shooters is gone...no more nance and cooke to clean up the mess on the back line. IMO the turnovers and offensive rebounds given up are a much bigger deal.

 

[laxwyo]

We only out rebounded them 47-44 ? At one point we were killing them on the boards. They must have out rebounded us the end or reg and OT

 

[JimmyDimes]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

Not to defend the defense necessarily, but last night's game was tied at 69 at the end of regulation.

Defend all you want, this team has not performed defensively this season. I can never remember watching a team allow so many wide open threes and wide open point blank lay ups. Its slightly concerning.

Part of it is we are playing at a faster pace and the other part is we have a lot of young guys still trying to get the "Shyatt way" of defense down. We only have a couple upper classmen. For a Shyatt team this is the worst from a defensive stand point he has had but that is what comes with the territory with the 4th youngest team in the country.

Josh is having a year for the ages so it is fun to watch but from an overall team perspective I think we will be a better overall team next year. Just too much youth still learning right now in my opinion.

There is no way that this team will match the defense that we saw the last couple years. The luxury of recklessly closing out on three point shooters is gone...no more nance and cooke to clean up the mess on the back line. IMO the turnovers and offensive rebounds given up are a much bigger deal.

What is our opponents shot a better % from arc last year vs this year?

 

[307bball]

I think it seems like, other than these two games, Mac (or whoever else might fill the #2 guy role) is the real key. We know Josh will be at a high level but he can't win without help. That said, both of these losses, Jason had good games and we still lost so maybe that's not a totally fair thing to say

I think it is crucial that Josh plays at his standard level and we get solid contributions from atleast TWO (2) other people. Mac having a great game is awesome, but as we've seen the last two nights, it just isn't quite enough. We need one more person averaging ten a night. And what is going on with our defense? Holy hell. A Shyatt coached team has never given up 90 in a game and now we have 2 games in a row....WTF???

Not to defend the defense necessarily, but last night's game was tied at 69 at the end of regulation.

Defend all you want, this team has not performed defensively this season. I can never remember watching a team allow so many wide open threes and wide open point blank lay ups. Its slightly concerning.

Part of it is we are playing at a faster pace and the other part is we have a lot of young guys still trying to get the "Shyatt way" of defense down. We only have a couple upper classmen. For a Shyatt team this is the worst from a defensive stand point he has had but that is what comes with the territory with the 4th youngest team in the country.

Josh is having a year for the ages so it is fun to watch but from an overall team perspective I think we will be a better overall team next year. Just too much youth still learning right now in my opinion.

There is no way that this team will match the defense that we saw the last couple years. The luxury of recklessly closing out on three point shooters is gone...no more nance and cooke to clean up the mess on the back line. IMO the turnovers and offensive rebounds given up are a much bigger deal.

What is our opponents shot a better % from arc last year vs this year?

That would be interesting to check..i'm not sure...my point is that aggressively guarding the arc is great until you get beat off the dribble or back-doored....at that point having two of the better defensive big men in the country is a great luxury that we don't have this year....pokes need to focus on the things they can control...Offensive rebounds given up and turnovers.

 

[JimmyDimes]

They did and the Pokes were a veteran team last year. There is room for improvement for sure....but I'd be willing to bet the team will improve defensively as the season progresses.

 

[307bball]

No doubt they will improve. If Wyo had limited the opponent to one opportunity each possession in the last 5 minutes of the last few games we aren't having this discussion. I didn't follow the marshal game but the Houston game we seemed to defend ok and then give up another offensive rebound....I think that is fixable and will be fixed by the latter half of the season.

 

[LanderPoke]

No doubt they will improve. If Wyo had limited the opponent to one opportunity each possession in the last 5 minutes of the last few games we aren't having this discussion. I didn't follow the marshal game but the Houston game we seemed to defend ok and then give up another offensive rebound....I think that is fixable and will be fixed by the latter half of the season.

Spot on. We would have won vs. Southern, Cal, Marshall and Houston if we did not give up crucial offensive rebounds.

 

[wyokoke]

Last year we gave up 95 per 100 possessions, good for 37th in the country, opponents on the season shot 40.6% (59th) and 34.8% from 3 (210th) and gave up 6 threes a game. Gave up an average of 8.5 offensive rebounds a game.

So far this year we give up 103 per 100 (224th), opponents are shooting 41.6% (131st), 31.9% from three (105th) and we give up a little over 7 per game. Giving up an average of 12 offensive rebounds.

Obviously those will change a lot as we get to conference play, but its interesting to look at now