Wyoming football: An early look at Appalachian State

[Yabadabadoo]

In an interview on WFNZ 610 AM, Appalachian State head coach Scott Satterfield said that he has addressed a lot of areas with this years' recruiting class but says that ultimately:

"You gotta get speed. You have to. Especially on the defensive side of the football."

Well, Appalachian State has speed, experience and mental toughness. This game will be a challenge for the Wyoming Cowboys. The Mountaineers are entering into their 3rd season of FBS level competition, so the program is not much longer-in-tooth when it comes to experience against FBS athletes than Coach Bohls.

Like Bohls, the App State program is used to winning. In 2014 App State returns 20 out of 22 starters from last years 7-5 team. The hard nosed Wyoming coaching staff must admire the makeup of this Mountaineer team. 2014 was a truly remarkable 7 win season: Opening at a dismal 1-5, but following up a hard-to-swallow-overtime-defeat to Liberty with 6 straight victories to end the year. It was #CowboyTough.

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[WYCowboy]

In an interview on WFNZ 610 AM, Appalachian State head coach Scott Satterfield said that he has addressed a lot of areas with this years' recruiting class but says that ultimately:

"You gotta get speed. You have to. Especially on the defensive side of the football."

Well, Appalachian State has speed, experience and mental toughness. This game will be a challenge for the Wyoming Cowboys. The Mountaineers are entering into their 3rd season of FBS level competition, so the program is not much longer-in-tooth when it comes to experience against FBS athletes than Coach Bohls.

Like Bohls, the App State program is used to winning. In 2014 App State returns 20 out of 22 starters from last years 7-5 team. The hard nosed Wyoming coaching staff must admire the makeup of this Mountaineer team. 2014 was a truly remarkable 7 win season: Opening at a dismal 1-5, but following up a hard-to-swallow-overtime-defeat to Liberty with 6 straight victories to end the year. It was #CowboyTough.

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I agree with this. We are gonna have to earn this win.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Tough game. No offense to Appy State but why we schedule a game like this is beyond me. The ONLY reason we should be out there is money or a P5 team that has already played in the WAR as part of a home and home or 1 and 2.

IMO this is a terrible game to schedule.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Tough game. No offense to Appy State but why we schedule a game like this is beyond me. The ONLY reason we should be out there is money or a P5 team that has already played in the WAR as part of a home and home or 1 and 2.

IMO this is a terrible game to schedule.

Because we are coming off a 4-8 season where we got bitch slapped by Hawaii. This game will be a tough for us and we are in NO position to turn our noses up or reject an offer to play any team. Let's win more than 4 consistently before we start saying we should only be playing big money games or P5. We played two P5 teams last year and got smoked and banged up. No thanks. Let the youngins get some experience playing similar skill level teams, not Oregon and MSU just because we got "paid".

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Tough game. No offense to Appy State but why we schedule a game like this is beyond me. The ONLY reason we should be out there is money or a P5 team that has already played in the WAR as part of a home and home or 1 and 2.

IMO this is a terrible game to schedule.

Because we are coming off a 4-8 season where we got bitch slapped by Hawaii. This game will be a tough for us and we are in NO position to turn our noses up or reject an offer to play any team. Let's win more than 4 consistently before we start saying we should only be playing big money games or P5. We played two P5 teams last year and got smoked and banged up. No thanks. Let the youngins get some experience playing similar skill level teams, not Oregon and MSU just because we got "paid".

I agree with ISTBACSURam on this one.

This game will be a tough one to win - and probably not televised.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Tough game. No offense to Appy State but why we schedule a game like this is beyond me. The ONLY reason we should be out there is money or a P5 team that has already played in the WAR as part of a home and home or 1 and 2.

IMO this is a terrible game to schedule.

Because we are coming off a 4-8 season where we got bitch slapped by Hawaii. This game will be a tough for us and we are in NO position to turn our noses up or reject an offer to play any team. Let's win more than 4 consistently before we start saying we should only be playing big money games or P5. We played two P5 teams last year and got smoked and banged up. No thanks. Let the youngins get some experience playing similar skill level teams, not Oregon and MSU just because we got "paid".

You jump to conclusions and misunderstand. Note the OUT THERE part. Hawaii is something we have to do because of conference. IMO, there is no need to go to that far east in a state we don't recruit for a game like this; the travel out there puts you at a disadvantage up front. It has nothing to do about turning our noses at anyone. There are plenty of similar skill level teams in the mid-west and west. I'd rather have a North Texas or NMSU or Tulsa or .... than scheduling games that far east against teams of similar skill level. It does it no more good than the teams I mentioned. So, why do it? I get it if it is for money or a part of deal to get a P5 team in Laramie.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Tough game. No offense to Appy State but why we schedule a game like this is beyond me. The ONLY reason we should be out there is money or a P5 team that has already played in the WAR as part of a home and home or 1 and 2.

IMO this is a terrible game to schedule.

Because we are coming off a 4-8 season where we got bitch slapped by Hawaii. This game will be a tough for us and we are in NO position to turn our noses up or reject an offer to play any team. Let's win more than 4 consistently before we start saying we should only be playing big money games or P5. We played two P5 teams last year and got smoked and banged up. No thanks. Let the youngins get some experience playing similar skill level teams, not Oregon and MSU just because we got "paid".

I agree with ISTBACSURam on this one.

This game will be a tough one to win - and probably not televised.

That is logical. Schedule hard to win games that are not televised under the rationale that it is good to play similar skill level teams. Why not play a plethora of similar skill teams in the mid-west and west where travel doesn't disadvantage you? Why not play games in states you recruit? The Appy State game makes no sense.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Tough game. No offense to Appy State but why we schedule a game like this is beyond me. The ONLY reason we should be out there is money or a P5 team that has already played in the WAR as part of a home and home or 1 and 2.

IMO this is a terrible game to schedule.

Because we are coming off a 4-8 season where we got bitch slapped by Hawaii. This game will be a tough for us and we are in NO position to turn our noses up or reject an offer to play any team. Let's win more than 4 consistently before we start saying we should only be playing big money games or P5. We played two P5 teams last year and got smoked and banged up. No thanks. Let the youngins get some experience playing similar skill level teams, not Oregon and MSU just because we got "paid".

You jump to conclusions and misunderstand. Note the OUT THERE part. Hawaii is something we have to do because of conference. IMO, there is no need to go to that far east in a state we don't recruit for a game like this; the travel out there puts you at a disadvantage up front. It has nothing to do about turning our noses at anyone. There are plenty of similar skill level teams in the mid-west and west. I'd rather have a North Texas or NMSU or Tulsa or .... than scheduling games that far east against teams of similar skill level. It does it no more good than the teams I mentioned. So, why do it? I get it if it is for money or a part of deal to get a P5 team in Laramie.

We have to play who agrees to it. Playing North Texas or UTSA or the Oklahoma School for Gifted Women all sound great goegraphically but if they won't agree to play us, the point is moot. I have no idea how the process works but I would assume Bohl and the Pokes reach out to teams in our area

 

[ragtimejoe1]

We have to play who agrees to it. Playing North Texas or UTSA or the Oklahoma School for Gifted Women all sound great goegraphically but if they won't agree to play us, the point is moot. I have no idea how the process works but I would assume Bohl and the Pokes reach out to teams in our area

It is Burman's job. He has done pretty well with getting big name teams in Laramie, but every once in a while he does things like this and last year. It is entirely possible that Appy State reached out to him and he agreed.

Let me put it this way, a game like this should be last resort only and I doubt it was last resort. If it was last resort, then, okay, I get it.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

We have to play who agrees to it. Playing North Texas or UTSA or the Oklahoma School for Gifted Women all sound great goegraphically but if they won't agree to play us, the point is moot. I have no idea how the process works but I would assume Bohl and the Pokes reach out to teams in our area

It is Burman's job. He has done pretty well with getting big name teams in Laramie, but every once in a while he does things like this and last year. It is entirely possible that Appy State reached out to him and he agreed.

Let me put it this way, a game like this should be last resort only and I doubt it was last resort. If it was last resort, then, okay, I get it.

So what distance is allowable? There is no reason for us turn down Appy State. Any team with a pulse, in division 1, we should accept graciously at this point. In two or three years when we've turned it around a little and aren't rebuilding, then we can get picky. At this point we need to play any and everyone willing to and avoid the P5 bloodbath games. Just my opinion, it sounds like we don't agree

 

[ragtimejoe1]

We have to play who agrees to it. Playing North Texas or UTSA or the Oklahoma School for Gifted Women all sound great goegraphically but if they won't agree to play us, the point is moot. I have no idea how the process works but I would assume Bohl and the Pokes reach out to teams in our area

It is Burman's job. He has done pretty well with getting big name teams in Laramie, but every once in a while he does things like this and last year. It is entirely possible that Appy State reached out to him and he agreed.

Let me put it this way, a game like this should be last resort only and I doubt it was last resort. If it was last resort, then, okay, I get it.

So what distance is allowable? There is no reason for us turn down Appy State. Any team with a pulse, in division 1, we should accept graciously at this point. In two or three years when we've turned it around a little and aren't rebuilding, then we can get picky. At this point we need to play any and everyone willing to and avoid the P5 bloodbath games. Just my opinion, it sounds like we don't agree

Yeah, we definitely don't agree. IMO, OOC scheduling should be strategic. You do the 2 for 1 with P5 either for money or to get a TX or NE in the War (I'm not a huge fan of the money games, but it is what it is). Then, I think you look at proximity and games in strategic locations that are beneficial to recruiting (we should be trying like heck to get a game in Tulsa in the coming years). I don't understand why it is okay for other teams to turn us down but not okay for us to turn teams down?

There is a ton of NFL analysis out there on Pacific teams traveling to East time zone. Typically, they perform worse with each time zone they cross (using lots of metrics, ATS, etc.). That is in the pros and I imagine it would be worse for college. I'd say, 1 time zone east at most if possible. Going 2 should be for good reason.

Whether desperation or bad decision, Burman dropped the ball on this one.

 

[djm19]

App State or a 2 for 1 with BYU?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

App State or a 2 for 1 with BYU?

IMO, nobody in the west should schedule byu. Not out of spite but out of business. They are a competitor for TV revenue, recruits (somewhat), overall interest, etc. We shouldn't make it easy on them by filling their schedule.

I would hope we had more options than that, but if that were our only option, then clearly take the desperation game against Appy State.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

We have to play who agrees to it. Playing North Texas or UTSA or the Oklahoma School for Gifted Women all sound great goegraphically but if they won't agree to play us, the point is moot. I have no idea how the process works but I would assume Bohl and the Pokes reach out to teams in our area

It is Burman's job. He has done pretty well with getting big name teams in Laramie, but every once in a while he does things like this and last year. It is entirely possible that Appy State reached out to him and he agreed.

Let me put it this way, a game like this should be last resort only and I doubt it was last resort. If it was last resort, then, okay, I get it.

So what distance is allowable? There is no reason for us turn down Appy State. Any team with a pulse, in division 1, we should accept graciously at this point. In two or three years when we've turned it around a little and aren't rebuilding, then we can get picky. At this point we need to play any and everyone willing to and avoid the P5 bloodbath games. Just my opinion, it sounds like we don't agree

Yeah, we definitely don't agree. IMO, OOC scheduling should be strategic. You do the 2 for 1 with P5 either for money or to get a TX or NE in the War (I'm not a huge fan of the money games, but it is what it is). Then, I think you look at proximity and games in strategic locations that are beneficial to recruiting (we should be trying like heck to get a game in Tulsa in the coming years). I don't understand why it is okay for other teams to turn us down but not okay for us to turn teams down?

There is a ton of NFL analysis out there on Pacific teams traveling to East time zone. Typically, they perform worse with each time zone they cross (using lots of metrics, ATS, etc.). That is in the pros and I imagine it would be worse for college. I'd say, 1 time zone east at most if possible. Going 2 should be for good reason.

Whether desperation or bad decision, Burman dropped the ball on this one.

I agree with this completely. As hard as were hitting Oklahoma recruiting, we need to play a game in that state.

I dont necessarily agree that Burman dropped the ball. He can't make teams agree to play us...An opportunity came up for us to play a team in a geographic part of the country we rarely get to. No the opponent isnt one to fear or who is going to boost our post season hopes but Appy State can say the same about us.

 

[djm19]

I do see Bohl & Co is recruiting in UT now quite a bit. From a school perspective, I would think a game in Utah makes much more sense than a game back east :/

I despise BYU as much as anyone, but a game vs BYU I think is much better business sense than App State. The game would be on a big tv network (sharing or not, bigger $), in the homes of the kids we are recruiting, easy travel, easy access for fans, the game would be sold out all three games.

I see your point, but I think the only reason I wouldn't want to play BYU is out of spite. I see it making sense logistically a lot more than a team like App State. We lose to BYU, meh. Doesn't hurt our image much.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I do see Bohl & Co is recruiting in UT now quite a bit. From a school perspective, I would think a game in Utah makes much more sense than a game back east :/

I despise BYU as much as anyone, but a game vs BYU I think is much better business sense than App State. The game would be on a big tv network (sharing or not, bigger $), in the homes of the kids we are recruiting, easy travel, easy access for fans, the game would be sold out all three games.

I see your point, but I think the only reason I wouldn't want to play BYU is out of spite. I see it making sense logistically a lot more than a team like App State. We lose to BYU, meh. Doesn't hurt our image much.

At this point, does losing to Appy State hurt our image much?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I dont necessarily agree that Burman dropped the ball. He can't make teams agree to play us...An opportunity came up for us to play a team in a geographic part of the country we rarely get to. No the opponent isnt one to fear or who is going to boost our post season hopes but Appy State can say the same about us.

This is pretty much where we disagree. If Burman had no other option, then, I can see it. My point is, you don't handicap your team by going that far east for a game like this. The same can be said for Appy State on the return trip. It doesn't do them any good and handicaps them upfront.

IMO, Burman dropped the ball on this one unless he had no option.

@djm: We'll have to agree to disagree on byu. Screw them. Scheduling them helps them. We should not help byu in any capacity.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I dont necessarily agree that Burman dropped the ball. He can't make teams agree to play us...An opportunity came up for us to play a team in a geographic part of the country we rarely get to. No the opponent isnt one to fear or who is going to boost our post season hopes but Appy State can say the same about us.

This is pretty much where we disagree. If Burman had no other option, then, I can see it. My point is, you don't handicap your team by going that far east for a game like this. The same can be said for Appy State on the return trip. It doesn't do them any good and handicaps them upfront.

IMO, Burman dropped the ball on this one unless he had no option.

@djm: We'll have to agree to disagree on byu. Screw them. Scheduling them helps them. We should not help byu in any capacity.

Being that NONE of us know what happened to schedule this game, we can't say he did or didnt have a choice. I suppose we could have scheduled another Cal Poly at home since were above traveling. It worked SO well for us last time.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

since were above traveling.

Now you are just putting words in my mouth and building a straw man argument.

My rationale: evidence suggests traveling east puts a team at a disadvantage. Appy State is just a game that doesn't return money or get a big time program at the War so there is no reason to put our young team at a disadvantage for a game like this (unless of course there were no other options).

If it was our only option, then fine. If it was not, then Burman dropped the ball (gasp--hard for the Burman fan boys I know).

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

since were above traveling.

Now you are just putting words in my mouth and building a straw man argument.

My rationale: evidence suggests traveling east puts a team at a disadvantage. Appy State is just a game that doesn't return money or get a big time program at the War so there is no reason to put our young team at a disadvantage for a game like this (unless of course there were no other options).

If it was our only option, then fine. If it was not, then Burman dropped the ball (gasp--hard for the Burman fan boys I know).

I guess I am confused as to what "disadvantage" this puts our guys at? They were brought here to play football. They have an opportunity to go on the road into a area of the country we never go and play a game that we have a great chance to win. AT SEA LEVEL. That doesn't sound like a disadvantage. Going to Oregon and MSU is a disadvantage. Going to Lincoln to play the Huskers, that would be a disadvantage. Winners don't bitch about WHERE they have to go, they just go and win.