Wyoming facing questions about football reclassification

[djm19]

 

[hithere]

Bull. This topic should be TABOO. All this does is give the retards a platform and sews seeds of discontent. It's embarrassing.

Could be.

But I think you give the CST way too much credit. They're a failing newspaper that hires 22 year old kids as beat writers because that's all they can afford. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad, but the dredging they do for their paltry readership is enough to garner the little views they can scrape by with to barely maintain the operation.

The CST doesn't accurately reflect Wyoming so I'm not embarrassed by anything they print. The same with the lunatic fringe faculty at UW who think dropping makes sense.

I don't like Burman as AD but enough tolerate his failed tenure so I'm babbling to myself on the internet.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Apprently there has been discussion about Wyoming dropping down a level in football.


http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/football/fb-like-recent-foe-eastern-michigan-wyoming-facing-questions-about/article_e891f8e9-25b7-559f-98f4-80b84054471f.html

Welcome to WyoNation! Interesting first post.

I am guessing you work for the CST? If not, I apologize for the below rant. Sincerely, I apologize.

So...the CST, in all their whoring around within the media circles in Wyoming, needs to drive more traffic to their shit website and error-filled rag, as clearly they are hurting. So, they dig up a dead horse, and start kicking it again? Fuck that, fuck them, and fuck this. Absolutely ridiculous that this is brought up again, and great timing...kick the team when they are down - assholes. I suggest everyone here boycott the CST, and everything to do with it.

And while I am at it...shame on Burman for putting us (and keeping us) in the shadows of this shitstorm.

What ^^^^^this^^^^^^guy said. Great post.

I'm guessing it's the new 22 year old, out of state, sports writer, fresh out of college and off mommies tit, and in a state where he doesn't understand the landscape, passion, or political climate.

You let them win if you click on their trash.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Dare to dream....

Says the SDSU sock puppet....is that you K5?

 

[Wyovanian]

I think everyone pretty much summed up what I'm going to say, but I'll try to put it all more concisely...

Most here are likely correct about the motivations behind the article- purely click fodder/ copy sales material (as is most content), but this one is a bit hollow and baseless. Nothing in the article would indicate there was any kind of serious (or even un-serious) conversations about this taking place among anyone who really matters. I'm pretty sure the BOT, AD, and President are currently operating on a long-term policy of UW's status as an FBS school.

There's a lot of reasons for that, and they are hugely practical- the not-so-long-ago study concerning this pretty much concluded it would ultimately and even long-term have a negative impact on UW as a national public university. There is and has already been substantial investment in our athletics programs and they are consistent with an FBS driven athletic department and the consensus vision for it. There is also the matter of economic impact to Laramie, both as a public entity and as a community of business owners. In short, it would probably decimate the inflow of money during the autumn months as well as have a substantial negative impact on the rest of the sports year. That would, in turn, result in far less community support of UW, including donor support as well as good-will cooperation between the city and UW.

Basically, the whole notion. at this point, is nothing but impractical, pie-in-the-sky gossip among certain members of the chattering classes. Especially when one considers the current state of D1 College Football and the likelihood of an organic market separation between the P5 and G5. Best to stand pat on status while putting your best foot forward....

 

[J-Rod]

Agree with McPeachy. This article wreaks of a journalist who need page views to do well in his/her job and thus finds a way to legitimize a fiery topic.

"...leading some to question whether the school should continue funding an FBS football program."

Are these "some" individuals credible? Crazy and dumb proposals are thrown out in a government setting all the time. Is this topic something UW is clearly intending to explore and potentially implementing, therefore worthy of a series of articles?

Cause the answer to those questions is no. Just cause someone yells the loudest doesn't make them a majority or even a worthy opinion.

 

[whyoh]

I thought there was a attendance average that had to be maintained to be FBS, something over 15k, etc????

There used to be an attendance requirement 5-10 years ago requiring an average of 17,000 a year, I believe.

As for the yearly reclassification article from the CST, until Wyoming enjoys the successes of Boise St. and San Diego State (this year) these articles will continue to appear. I think part of it stems from the fact that there's a faction in Casper still ticked off the UW is located in Laramie and the Legislature won't fund the expansion of Casper College to university status.
Also, if you read the comments to the story one of the comments (who's self description sounds like one of the Gosars) claims that division I football is an escalating arms war. I agree with that rational. However, I disagree with the claim that it will result in many schools moving down in coming years. That I disagree with, especially since many schools are currently moving up either from division II to fcs or fcs to fbs. I can't believe that those schools are making those decisions blind.
What I think may happen is that the Power 5 will be upgraded to an fbs elite level with the group of 5 getting a designation a step below. Which is kind of what we currently have, but without the labels.

As a life long resident of Casper (and a CC alum) I can honestly say that I have never met anyone here that's mad about Laramie getting the university........in 1886 Laramie was expected to be the state's economic center



Furthermore, nobody here believes that even IF Casper college were granted the ability to become a four year institution at some random date in the very distant future that they would compete in the same athletic division as UW (excepting rodeo) and certainly would never field a football team at any level...... we're talking NCAA div 3, folks





But, yeah, fuck the trib......pitchengine (with their spelling and grammatical errors included) has established themselves as the much more accessible community news source

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[WyoBrandX]

pitchengine = facebook gossip with some news sources.

trib = the world is melting, subscribe to us to understand why, and we'll sell you more of the 'world is melting'

The news and media doesn't play the same role as it did 20 or 40 years ago. Today, they are like a bunch of cheerleaders that are just trying to get you riled up and pissed off at what the other team is doing. They are trying to force that divide too. At any cost.

Its like the gossip circle of the trailer house in the 80's.

 

[whyoh]

pitchengine = facebook gossip with some news sources.

trib = the world is melting, subscribe to us to understand why, and we'll sell you more of the 'world is melting'

The news and media doesn't play the same role as it did 20 or 40 years ago. Today, they are like a bunch of cheerleaders that are just trying to get you riled up and pissed off at what the other team is doing. They are trying to force that divide too. At any cost.

Its like the gossip circle of the trailer house in the 80's.

Lol.....you do have a point

I guess my point with comparing the two is that you have a corporate owned and historically significant news source but it's getting its ass handed to it by what is effectively just a few people with no real news training that just bought a couple of URLs




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[WyoBrandX]

pitchengine = facebook gossip with some news sources.

trib = the world is melting, subscribe to us to understand why, and we'll sell you more of the 'world is melting'

The news and media doesn't play the same role as it did 20 or 40 years ago. Today, they are like a bunch of cheerleaders that are just trying to get you riled up and pissed off at what the other team is doing. They are trying to force that divide too. At any cost.

Its like the gossip circle of the trailer house in the 80's.

Lol.....you do have a point

I guess my point with comparing the two is that you have a corporate owned and historically significant news source but it's getting its ass handed to it by what is effectively just a few people with no real news training that just bought a couple of URLs




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Agreed! Most of the time, pitchengine is more accurate and up to date than other sources. They also don't seem to try to get people riled up and try to make society look its worst in order to bring in traffic.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I don't get it. UW reports that football makes money and helps subsidize other sports.

Is that incorrect? If it makes money, why the huge bullseye?

I get that we have to offer other women's sports because of football. However, to save money by cutting football, you would then have to cut several other sports in order to truly save money.

I'm sure I missed it, but where is Burman's explanation of all of this?

 

[LanderPoke]

Everyone thought County10 was the cat's meow in Lander. It was good for gossip-like stories, but I feel it lacked professionalism. I suppose both types of news reporting have their place.

 

[Wyovanian]

pitchengine = facebook gossip with some news sources.

trib = the world is melting, subscribe to us to understand why, and we'll sell you more of the 'world is melting'

The news and media doesn't play the same role as it did 20 or 40 years ago. Today, they are like a bunch of cheerleaders that are just trying to get you riled up and pissed off at what the other team is doing. They are trying to force that divide too. At any cost.

Its like the gossip circle of the trailer house in the 80's.

Lol.....you do have a point

I guess my point with comparing the two is that you have a corporate owned and historically significant news source but it's getting its ass handed to it by what is effectively just a few people with no real news training that just bought a couple of URLs




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The internet has surrounded and infiltrated traditional media with the equivalent of the wild, wild West. Sure, it's wide open and shaking up the stodgy, wedged-in news firms (especially print media), but it's also diluted the quality of reportage. The upshot is that less-discerning and less-critical minds are easily swayed by patent untruths, while others find themselves doing what was once the job of serious journalists by vetting and confirming what they are getting from less-accredited sources.

Never in my life have I experienced so many people (generally less-educated) who are not shy about spouting off utter nonsense, basically because, "...it was on the internet." Sure, with cheap computers, tablets, and smart phones, we have made more information more accessible and brought more equality of knowledge inventory, but we've also dumbed down the public discourse with people's false confidence in their sources and information.

 

[Wyovanian]

I don't get it. UW reports that football makes money and helps subsidize other sports.

Is that incorrect? If it makes money, why the huge bullseye?

I get that we have to offer other women's sports because of football. However, to save money by cutting football, you would then have to cut several other sports in order to truly save money.

I'm sure I missed it, but where is Burman's explanation of all of this?

Your'e buying the hype. Read through the thread and try to think about it before going all Chicken Little.

There is no "huge bullseye" and no one that really matters is talking about it...

 

[whyoh]

pitchengine = facebook gossip with some news sources.

trib = the world is melting, subscribe to us to understand why, and we'll sell you more of the 'world is melting'

The news and media doesn't play the same role as it did 20 or 40 years ago. Today, they are like a bunch of cheerleaders that are just trying to get you riled up and pissed off at what the other team is doing. They are trying to force that divide too. At any cost.

Its like the gossip circle of the trailer house in the 80's.

Lol.....you do have a point

I guess my point with comparing the two is that you have a corporate owned and historically significant news source but it's getting its ass handed to it by what is effectively just a few people with no real news training that just bought a couple of URLs




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The internet has surrounded and infiltrated traditional media with the equivalent of the wild, wild West. Sure, it's wide open and shaking up the stodgy, wedged-in news firms (especially print media), but it's also diluted the quality of reportage. The upshot is that less-discerning and less-critical minds are easily swayed by patent untruths, while others find themselves doing what was once the job of serious journalists by vetting and confirming what they are getting from less-accredited sources.

Never in my life have I experienced so many people (generally less-educated) who are not shy about spouting off utter nonsense, basically because, "...it was on the internet." Sure, with cheap computers, tablets, and smart phones, we have made more information more accessible and brought more equality of knowledge inventory, but we've also dumbed down the public discourse with people's false confidence in their sources and information.

Look no further than (both sides) the current presidential race

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[Asmodeanreborn]

Look no further than (both sides) the current presidential race

OT, but... how much do people think Romney wishes he had been running this year instead?

Or would Trump somehow have gotten nominated anyway?

 

[LanderPoke]

Look no further than (both sides) the current presidential race

OT, but... how much do people think Romney wishes he had been running this year instead?

Or would Trump somehow have gotten nominated anyway?

Cannot believe that we, as a country, missed out on 8 years of Romney. That truly was a turning point in our nation. You could not have created a more perfect candidate in a lab than Romney.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Your'e buying the hype. Read through the thread and try to think about it before going all Chicken Little.

There is no "huge bullseye" and no one that really matters is talking about it...

Actually, I've seen a few cases questioning dropping down in football. Perhaps this is the first you've seen.

Point remains of why the topic even surfaces since football makes money, at least according to the data releases by UW. The only way to save money by dropping football or dropping down would be to also cut some womens' sports. Again, the point remains that a discussion of the actual economics is rarely if ever included. I probably missed it, but I'm sure Burman has clearly explained how football generates revenue. I guess I also missed the articles, faculty, etc. questioning the existence or "level" affiliation of other sports since football is not singled out in these types of discussions (i.e. no bullseye).

Not sure how highlighting the fact that football makes money and wondering why that point is often overlooked is going all chicken little buto whatever floats your boat.

 

[Wyovanian]

Your'e buying the hype. Read through the thread and try to think about it before going all Chicken Little.

There is no "huge bullseye" and no one that really matters is talking about it...

Actually, I've seen a few cases questioning dropping down in football. Perhaps this is the first you've seen.

Point remains of why the topic even surfaces since football makes money, at least according to the data releases by UW. The only way to save money by dropping football or dropping down would be to also cut some womens' sports. Again, the point remains that a discussion of the actual economics is rarely if ever included. I probably missed it, but I'm sure Burman has clearly explained how football generates revenue. I guess I also missed the articles, faculty, etc. questioning the existence or "level" affiliation of other sports since football is not singled out in these types of discussions (i.e. no bullseye).

Not sure how highlighting the fact that football makes money and wondering why that point is often overlooked is going all chicken little buto whatever floats your boat.

Reading comprehension- try it. No one that matters is bringing it up. As far as the University is concerned, our FBS status is not on the table.

And yes, you missed it. You seem to have missed quite a lot...

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Reading comprehension- try it. No one that matters is bringing it up. As far as the University is concerned, our FBS status is not on the table.

And yes, you missed it. You seem to have missed quite a lot...

I never said upper level administration was seriously considering dropping down, you know, reading comprehension, you should try it.

I would hope this guy goes into the economics in his subsequent articles, but, 1 simple line of "football makes money and subsidizes other sports" is all that is needed. Nothing else is necessary until football loses money or the debate becomes cutting several programs to save money.

After all, I thought we were discussing a main press article not the likelihood of UW administration doing such a move.

Reading comprehension and all.