Wyo-UNLV game AD problems

[Wyolie Coyote]

Wyoming may have the best best set of coaches across the board then I have seen in a long time

Volleyball
Basketball
Soccer
Cross Country
Swimming
Wrestling


All these programs were very competitive this year and as a group the most competitive I have seen at UW in a long time

And zero MWC championships to show for it. Just wait till next year......

 

[Wyokie]

Wyoming may have the best best set of coaches across the board then I have seen in a long time

Volleyball
Basketball
Soccer
Cross Country
Swimming
Wrestling


All these programs were very competitive this year and as a group the most competitive I have seen at UW in a long time

And zero MWC championships to show for it. Just wait till next year......

And the year after that....
And the year after that....
etc.....

 

[Cuttslam]

Wyoming may have the best best set of coaches across the board then I have seen in a long time

Volleyball
Basketball
Soccer
Cross Country
Swimming
Wrestling


All these programs were very competitive this year and as a group the most competitive I have seen at UW in a long time

You must be on crack.

 

[Cuttslam]

Some of you are making mountains out of molehills. Yes, ultimately the AD is responsible for the functioning of all aspects of the athletic program. And I too saw the long line at the east entrance at the UNLV game (we just walked to another entrance and despite there being only one open door there as well got in pretty quickly). When you rely on students heavily for support staff, the holidays present some challenges. So what. Haven’t seen anything like that happen before. I’m sure it will get fixed.

But the bottom line is that Burman is doing well at the most important aspects of his job. First, on hiring coaches, I still cannot believe we landed Bohl. Most people nationally can’t believe it either. And despite not working out the Christensen hire was lauded nationally at the time as well. And, given what transpired when Shyatt left his first tenure, his hire took some gumption and vision as well.

I also believe Burman’s done a pretty good job with fund raising and budgeting: more improvements, of course, are on the horizon, but even as we speak, I’d rather have our facilities than Air Forces, CSUs, and most other MWC facilities. Shortly, I believe our facilities will match well with any program in the MWC. The vision is there. Further, Burman has a role in monitoring teams and players to make sure that they are in compliance with NCCA rules, etc., which incidentally has influenced his choices in hires. Going well there too. Those are the big AD responsibilities and in my opinion he is doing pretty well at all of them.

Look, I get it. Those of you who don’t like Burman will regurgitate the same tired arguments I’ve read on here a hundred times. Bottom line though is UW sports are on an upward trajectory, whether you have the vision to see it or not. It’s been a hard ride, and so I get the pessimism. But that is when is vision is most important. The dynamics are there for an upward trajectory for UW athletics. Don’t f-it-up by switching horses midstream.

Incidentally, there are some of you who dislike Burman who have a very interesting (and biased) attributional tendency: you give Burman absolutely no credit for any of the positives that occur in UW athletics, yet are eager as hell to give him full blame for all the negatives. Hopefully, the UW president, and the next one, ignores you and rides Burman’s horse for another couple years; if he/she does, the fire Burman rants on here will slink away into the sunset as we are a
ll enjoying UW bowl and tourney games. Go Pokes.

Wow Tom It must be nice to suck your own Dick.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

A 10 minute wait or entering through a different door makes you want to stay home next time? I hope you're just saying that.

If you're letting a minor inconvenience keep you away from watching a team like ours, your priorities are backwards.

 

[fromolwyoming]

A 10 minute wait or entering through a different door makes you want to stay home next time? I hope you're just saying that.

If you're letting a minor inconvenience keep you away from watching a team like ours, your priorities are backwards.

^^^^
This.

Just go in earlier if waiting in line is your biggest issue.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

A 10 minute wait or entering through a different door makes you want to stay home next time? I hope you're just saying that.

If you're letting a minor inconvenience keep you away from watching a team like ours, your priorities are backwards.

I get both sides, standing in line for 10 minutes isn't bad in and of itself. But when you finally get to the front and realize it's because their is only 1 person scanning tickets, that would be frustrating.

Kind of like being stuck in Denver traffic for 15 minutes to find out the only reason it was slowed down is because everyone was slowing down to 20 mph and gawking at some car sitting 20 yards off the road. (I've had that happen multiple times, fucking annoying). :tickedoff:

 

[joshvanklomp]

Kind of like being stuck in Denver traffic for 15 minutes to find out the only reason it was slowed down is because everyone was slowing down to 20 mph and gawking at some car sitting 20 yards off the road. (I've had that happen multiple times, fucking annoying). :tickedoff:

But do you quit using that road once you make that discovery?

 

[tweaked]

Wow Tom It must be nice to suck your own Dick.[/quote]


What cutslam, you can't f-ing read ... I'm not Burman, not related to Burman, don't know Burman. Of course these facts probably undermine your subthreshold IQ world in which if someone disagrees with you you end up shitting your pants ... so be it, you can always wipe.

 

[johnywyo]

We are all entitled to our opinions, facts are in the scoreboard. Exactly how many conference championships have we encountered with Burman in charge? If you don't know, its zero. Our trajectory is flatlined. You supporters of Tom are welcome to that relationship. I and many other graduates and financially supporting contributors of UW are not pleased with the direction or leadership at Old Main and wherever Burman hangs his jock strap. He will not last until 2017.

 

[wyopig]

Just a question: if everyone agrees that we have good coaches in place in most of our sports, would you like a new AD to come in, fire them all, and bring in his own guys to win championships? If we get a new AD, and if he keeps the current coaches, and if they win championships, will you give the credit to the new AD or to Burman?

Burman's past mistakes are in the past. Our current situation doesn't seem bad. It's actually promising, by most fans' opinions. What would all the Burman haters like a new AD to do at this point? Keep in mind that a new AD can't unhire Schroyer or change the start times for football or basketball games.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think if we get MWC titles under these current coaches, it will be because of Burman. But here is the catch... it shouldn't take a decade to produce 1 MWC title. Fresno has far more and they just got in the MWC.

Burman should get his credit, but what's the old saying? A blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then.

Like yeah, he might have a plan. It might be a good plan, but it's not quick enough. A decade plus is not okay.

If you start with a new company and told them give be 10 to 12 years for any REAL results, when it should be 4 to 5 at TOPS, do you think you would last?

That's my thing with Burman. He has been here forever, we have zero MWC titles. We have good facilities now, and getting better yes. But we still aren't wining with them!

 

[tweaked]

I think if we get MWC titles under these current coaches, it will be because of Burman. But here is the catch... it shouldn't take a decade to produce 1 MWC title. Fresno has far more and they just got in the MWC.

Burman should get his credit, but what's the old saying? A blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then.

Like yeah, he might have a plan. It might be a good plan, but it's not quick enough. A decade plus is not okay.

If you start with a new company and told them give be 10 to 12 years for any REAL results, when it should be 4 to 5 at TOPS, do you think you would last?

That's my thing with Burman. He has been here forever, we have zero MWC titles. We have good facilities now, and getting better yes. But we still aren't wining with them!

That's a fair criticism BeaverPoke. My thing is I actually thought Burman made good hires with Christensen and with Schroyer ... at the time those hires were made! When Schroyer left his gig as assistant at Wyoming to take over Portlands program (which he turned around) during the glory Josh Davis/Marcus Bailey years, those UW players felt Schroyer was the best coach by far on the team and gave him much credit for their run. It was inside news but I was impressed that Burman acted on it. Schroyer turned out to be horrible. And there wasn't much control in the locker room either. But I wonder how things would have been if Schroyer hadn't had the rash of injuries that he had. He did bring in lots of talent; unfortunately, that talent often ended up with injuries. Nevertheless, it didn't work out.

Christenson was widely regarded as one of the top assistants in the land; like Bohls hire, people at the time were kind of shocked Wyoming was able to land him. In short, Wyoming is a very tough place to win. But in each case, I felt Burman made good hires. I know others disagree and clearly the results weren't good. But bottom line is that Burman got rid of them. And the fact is that I think he has made brilliant hires in the two marquee sports with Shyatt and Bohl. They are absolutely perfect hires for Wyoming.

I'm with ya man on the decade being frustrating and all but I just think he has positioned us to be very successful in the next 3-5 years. I get it about the level of frustration waiting for this damn thing to turn around. But again, the dynamics are in place. I really believe they are. This program is turning, and Burman gets credit for it, and will get credit as folks slowly (and understandably slowly) jump on board.

But your point is a fair one. And we may just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[wyokoke]

I think if we get MWC titles under these current coaches, it will be because of Burman. But here is the catch... it shouldn't take a decade to produce 1 MWC title. Fresno has far more and they just got in the MWC.

Burman should get his credit, but what's the old saying? A blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then.

Like yeah, he might have a plan. It might be a good plan, but it's not quick enough. A decade plus is not okay.

If you start with a new company and told them give be 10 to 12 years for any REAL results, when it should be 4 to 5 at TOPS, do you think you would last?

That's my thing with Burman. He has been here forever, we have zero MWC titles. We have good facilities now, and getting better yes. But we still aren't wining with them!

That's a fair criticism BeaverPoke. My thing is I actually thought Burman made good hires with Christensen and with Schroyer ... at the time those hires were made! When Schroyer left his gig as assistant at Wyoming to take over Portlands program (which he turned around) during the glory Josh Davis/Marcus Bailey years, those UW players felt Schroyer was the best coach by far on the team and gave him much credit for their run. It was inside news but I was impressed that Burman acted on it. Schroyer turned out to be horrible. And there wasn't much control in the locker room either. But I wonder how things would have been if Schroyer hadn't had the rash of injuries that he had. He did bring in lots of talent; unfortunately, that talent often ended up with injuries. Nevertheless, it didn't work out.

Christenson was widely regarded as one of the top assistants in the land; like Bohls hire, people at the time were kind of shocked Wyoming was able to land him. In short, Wyoming is a very tough place to win. But in each case, I felt Burman made good hires. I know others disagree and clearly the results weren't good. But bottom line is that Burman got rid of them. And the fact is that I think he has made brilliant hires in the two marquee sports with Shyatt and Bohl. They are absolutely perfect hires for Wyoming.

I'm with ya man on the decade being frustrating and all but I just think he has positioned us to be very successful in the next 3-5 years. I get it about the level of frustration waiting for this damn thing to turn around. But again, the dynamics are in place. I really believe they are. This program is turning, and Burman gets credit for it, and will get credit as folks slowly (and understandably slowly) jump on board.

But your point is a fair one. And we may just agree to disagree on this one.

So only three times what it should take to be competitive. Which is...less than ideal

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Kind of like being stuck in Denver traffic for 15 minutes to find out the only reason it was slowed down is because everyone was slowing down to 20 mph and gawking at some car sitting 20 yards off the road. (I've had that happen multiple times, fucking annoying). :tickedoff:

But do you quit using that road once you make that discovery?

Is that a serious question? I don't know about you, but I for one like to address problems instead of sitting back and watching them repeat themselves. So to answer your question...
No, but it doesn't stop you from wanting to bitch slap the people responsible for it in the hopes that it won't happen again.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I think if we get MWC titles under these current coaches, it will be because of Burman. But here is the catch... it shouldn't take a decade to produce 1 MWC title. Fresno has far more and they just got in the MWC.

How many in football and basketball? While there certainly are many sports at each university and I want UW to be great in all, TO ME, football and basketball are the only one I truly care about. There are 3 maybe 4 universities that truly are competitive every year. BSU is really the only consistent show in town for football, and UNM, UNLV, and SDSU for basketball. Does that mean ALL the other schools in the MWC have terrible AD's? I think we all agree we would rather have Shyatt and Co. than Rice and Co. yet they are competitive and consistently towards the top. I don't think Burman is the best ever either but he has put in place three coaches that we all think are great hires and will take us to where we want to be. At some point its out of his hands and on the coaches and players to produce. We cant praise the hires of Bohl (and honestly CDC before him), Shyatt, and Legerski and then hang him because their success hasn't been as great as we want. Yes, I was all for the internal audit and changes recommended but I also see where were at is not strictly Burman's fault. And for the sake of the argument, if Burman got fired tomorrow and Shyatt and crew went on to win the MWC tourney AND the NCAA tournament all you crying for his head would not give one ounce of credit where its due. You'd instead bitch that you had to wait for too long for the bathroom or the internal temperature of your hot dog at the game. :twocents:

 

[Wyovanian]

Kind of like being stuck in Denver traffic for 15 minutes to find out the only reason it was slowed down is because everyone was slowing down to 20 mph and gawking at some car sitting 20 yards off the road. (I've had that happen multiple times, fucking annoying). :tickedoff:

But do you quit using that road once you make that discovery?

No, but there ought to be a bag limit on rubberneckers. And only close range loads/ ammo permitted so as not to hurt anyone else...

 

[Wyovanian]

A 10 minute wait or entering through a different door makes you want to stay home next time? I hope you're just saying that.

If you're letting a minor inconvenience keep you away from watching a team like ours, your priorities are backwards.

I get both sides, standing in line for 10 minutes isn't bad in and of itself. But when you finally get to the front and realize it's because their is only 1 person scanning tickets, that would be frustrating.

Kind of like being stuck in Denver traffic for 15 minutes to find out the only reason it was slowed down is because everyone was slowing down to 20 mph and gawking at some car sitting 20 yards off the road. (I've had that happen multiple times, fucking annoying). :tickedoff:

Exactly. There's no real legitimate reason for this. There's plenty of excuses, it's a cultural thing around Wyoming Athletics, but no real legitimate reason that it couldn't have been foreseen and prevented...

 

[Cuttslam]

What cutslam, you can't f-ing read ... I'm not Burman, not related to Burman, don't know Burman. Of course these facts probably undermine your subthreshold IQ world in which if someone disagrees with you you end up shitting your pants ... so be it, you can always wipe.

Mr Burman that was completely uncalled for, now go back to your office and finish your job running UW athletics into the ground. Job well done Tom, keep up the great work in the art of losing. You da man.

 

[tweaked]

What cutslam, you can't f-ing read ... I'm not Burman, not related to Burman, don't know Burman. Of course these facts probably undermine your subthreshold IQ world in which if someone disagrees with you you end up shitting your pants ... so be it, you can always wipe.

Mr Burman that was completely uncalled for, now go back to your office and finish your job running UW athletics into the ground. Job well done Tom, keep up the great work in the art of losing. You da man.

:rofl: You funny Cutslam, someone better inform Larry and Craig of the master plan ...