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[NowherePoke]

Josh Adams, a guard scored 16 points tonight...
Can't recruit a scoring guard my ass. Do you even pay attention?
Riley Grabau is one of the best 3 point shooters in the country.

I think he is right actually, although the names mentioned are a bit odd in a discussion comparing Schroyer and Shyatt since Schroyer did not recruit any of those names.

I like Adams and Grabau individually but our cumulative lack of playmaking ability on the perimeter is a glaring deficiency against quality opponents.

 

[ELKMT]

Agree on DC and Glenn. I do think the 2013 team was the worst of the 11 years between the two, but the overall results were equally poor. Remember that kansascowboy's whole point is that DC got a raw deal and that Shyatt is not being held to the same standard. I don't think DC got a raw deal and I don't believe you can equate a coach struggling (but improving in relation to his predecessor) early in his 3rd year to a coach failing in his 5th. If Shyatt is failing as spectacularly as DC in his 5th year he will probably be fired too.

In terms of Schroyer vs Shyatt, agree with good BYU teams, disagree with good Utah teams. Remember Boylen was fired the same years as Schroyer as they had a losing record in each of those two years I referenced. The flip side is the improved teams at CSU, UNM, and BSU that Shyatt had to face.

I agree with your opinion, and I did forget about Boylen at Utah. DC should have been fired after this year due to the results. I just view DC's and Glenn's tenures as remarkably similar ( mediocre), but I do t think fans should not continue bashing DC. He is no longer our HC.

Back on topic, I view Shyatt's tenure up to this point as a failure. He hasn't turned a team into a winner. I am willing to give Shyatt the benefit of the doubt because h inherited a mess from schroyer. However, I also believe college basketball programs can be turned around in under four years.

 

[BeaverPoke]

After tonights game Adams is averaging 11.33 ppg.

People know this teams is Nance and Adams. Just curious as to why we don't do Stockton to Malone type pick and rolls with those two ALL game?

 

[seattlecowboy]

This team barely beat S. Dakota in ot. We struggled with BLACK HILLS ST!!! Struggled with 4-7 Jackson St. And a Denver team we should've taken care of beat us. We'll be lucky to be a seventh place finish this year. Maybe another 21-15 type year... 20 wins is great, right? Not when we suck in conference and we are still losing almost as many games as we did under Schroyer.

It was the 2nd time we played S. Dakota. It is always harder to beat a team the 2nd time around. You know who else struggled to beat S. Dakota at home?
Kansas St. who only beat them by 2. N. Colorado beat KSU at KSU which I believe you already know.

You know who beat Ol Miss and also beat Gonzaga yesterday? Kansas St. did. So you can pick and choose games all you want. Wyoming is far improved over when Schoyer was around.

I actually think Wyoming will do better in conference than most on this board. I think you will find by the end of this year Wyoming's non conference schedule was a little bit tougher than everyone thinks. Every team Wyoming has lost to is very good with the exception of Denver and they aren't terrible and that was a road game.

I think a lot of it depends if Hankerson and Granberry continue to show up or not.

 

[ELKMT]

Josh Adams, a guard scored 16 points tonight...
Can't recruit a scoring guard my ass. Do you even pay attention?
Riley Grabau is one of the best 3 point shooters in the country.

Well I paid attention to his 3 point effort against DU. Sure was a scoring guard In that game. Will see about Grabua, I will bet his 3 point shooting drops during conference play when we play better competition. I certainly hope I am wrong and wish both players take a step forward i their development.

 

[BeaverPoke]

So you are going to just pick bad games and harp on them for the bad ones but not give them credit for their good games?
Might as well say Nance needs to learn how to score because he has had a game with 3 points and a game with 6 points this season.

 

[kansasCowboy]

This team barely beat S. Dakota in ot. We struggled with BLACK HILLS ST!!! Struggled with 4-7 Jackson St. And a Denver team we should've taken care of beat us. We'll be lucky to be a seventh place finish this year. Maybe another 21-15 type year... 20 wins is great, right? Not when we suck in conference and we are still losing almost as many games as we did under Schroyer.

It was the 2nd time we played S. Dakota. It is always harder to beat a team the 2nd time around. You know who else struggled to beat S. Dakota at home?
Kansas St. who only beat them by 2. N. Colorado beat KSU at KSU which I believe you already know.

You know who beat Ol Miss and also beat Gonzaga yesterday? Kansas St. did. So you can pick and choose games all you want. Wyoming is far improved over when Schoyer was around.

I actually think Wyoming will do better in conference than most on this board. I think you will find by the end of this year Wyoming's non conference schedule was a little bit tougher than everyone thinks. Every team Wyoming has lost to is very good with the exception of Denver and they aren't terrible and that was a road game.

I think a lot of it depends if Hankerson and Granberry continue to show up or not.

Sounds like your trying to be a dick here? Pick and choose games. I gave you an example of games this team should've easily handled.
Who has Black Hills State played close? Since I get to pick and choose.

We will beat western st. Puts us at 9-4 with wins against subpar competition. At best we go 9-9 in conference. That's 18-13. Probably 1-1 in the conf tourn. 19-14 and another CBI 1-1. 20-15... Such success.

 

[stymeman]

i was worried in the 1st half myself and then wow oh wow, it was a fun 2nd half!!! we'll be fine, just wish more people would shoot rather than making that extra pass, it'll come, i hope

 

[seattlecowboy]

This team barely beat S. Dakota in ot. We struggled with BLACK HILLS ST!!! Struggled with 4-7 Jackson St. And a Denver team we should've taken care of beat us. We'll be lucky to be a seventh place finish this year. Maybe another 21-15 type year... 20 wins is great, right? Not when we suck in conference and we are still losing almost as many games as we did under Schroyer.

It was the 2nd time we played S. Dakota. It is always harder to beat a team the 2nd time around. You know who else struggled to beat S. Dakota at home?
Kansas St. who only beat them by 2. N. Colorado beat KSU at KSU which I believe you already know.

You know who beat Ol Miss and also beat Gonzaga yesterday? Kansas St. did. So you can pick and choose games all you want. Wyoming is far improved over when Schoyer was around.

I actually think Wyoming will do better in conference than most on this board. I think you will find by the end of this year Wyoming's non conference schedule was a little bit tougher than everyone thinks. Every team Wyoming has lost to is very good with the exception of Denver and they aren't terrible and that was a road game.

I think a lot of it depends if Hankerson and Granberry continue to show up or not.

Sounds like your trying to be a dick here? Pick and choose games. I gave you an example of games this team should've easily handled.
Who has Black Hills State played close? Since I get to pick and choose.

We will beat western st. Puts us at 9-4 with wins against subpar competition. At best we go 9-9 in conference. That's 18-13. Probably 1-1 in the conf tourn. 19-14 and another CBI 1-1. 20-15... Such success.

No not trying to be a dick at all. Just saying I don't really think we struggled with Jackson St. or Black Hills St. as much as we played down to our competition.
The games we have lost are to teams that are very good with the exception of the road game at Denver. No one has blown us out.

Ohio St. and Colorado are both better than every team in the MWC. The only team that might beat Colorado would be San DIego St.
SMU is better than everyone in the MWC except for SDSU and Boise St. I would say SMU is about the same level as New Mexico right now.
If Wyoming can win their conference home games they will be fine.


I think too many people are overreacting including myself after the SMU game to this team. The fact is that the MWC is WAY WAY down this year. I think Wyoming will do better than 9-9 in conference.

Although I still say Wyoming's season depends on Hankerson and Granberry. Hankerson needs to continue to be active like yesterday and create off the dribble and make things happen with his passing abilities and Granberry needs to continue to shoot the ball and not pass up shots. If they do then Wyoming can go 11-7 in conference in my opinion and if they don't then you're right they will do no better than 9-9.

This team is still better than anything Schoyer ever put on the floor and I think this team has more upside than most on this board. With the way Nance is playing all we need is someone else to step up and help out a little bit. We haven't had anyone playing at the level of how Nance is playing right now these last few games since Dembo actually.

Nance's last 4 or 5 games he has gone off.

 

[WyoExpat]

He hasn't turned a team into a winner.

What was the winning percentage for the team last year on the night before the bar fight? Where were we ranked? When was the last time we were ranked that high?

Also, how many .500 records have we endured since Coach Shyatt arrived?

I am pessimistic about how the conference season will go because we are trying to survive with a pair of 6-8/6-9, 210# players as our entire frontcourt. If we could add an Adam Waddell-type player to this team, I believe we would be golden. Even an Ugo or Davis-type player would make a big difference (and they were both Shyatt recruits the first time around).

I also disagree that we should be hoping that players quit making the extra pass and become more selfish. The most impressive teams I see in college basketball are continually looking to make that one extra pass. Those are the teams that seem to win the regional championships and get into the Final Four over teams with a shoot first mentality.

I feel good about where the program is at and the skill level that the players develop under Coach Shyatt. I do not want to lose scholarships due to a program-wide APR failure (like McClain) or endure hopeless 6-win seasons (like Schroyer). Right now, I think that we will not be favored to be at the top of the conference. However, I do not thing there is a single game that I can point at and say we have no realistic chance of winning. I could not realistically hope a win was possible every night under past regimes. I just think we are not big and strong enough inside to dominate the conference schedule like the eventual MWC champion will.

I am seeing the kind of progress in the areas we need to progress to believe that this program will not only get into the NCAA tournament soon, but we will be in a position to make some noise when we get there.

 

[BeaverPoke]

He hasn't turned a team into a winner.

What was the winning percentage for the team last year on the night before the bar fight? Where were we ranked? When was the last time we were ranked that high?

Also, how many .500 records have we endured since Coach Shyatt arrived?

I am pessimistic about how the conference season will go because we are trying to survive with a pair of 6-8/6-9, 210# players as our entire frontcourt. If we could add an Adam Waddell-type player to this team, I believe we would be golden. Even an Ugo or Davis-type player would make a big difference (and they were both Shyatt recruits the first time around).

I also disagree that we should be hoping that players quit making the extra pass and become more selfish. The most impressive teams I see in college basketball are continually looking to make that one extra pass. Those are the teams that seem to win the regional championships and get into the Final Four over teams with a shoot first mentality.

I feel good about where the program is at and the skill level that the players develop under Coach Shyatt. I do not want to lose scholarships due to a program-wide APR failure (like McClain) or endure hopeless 6-win seasons (like Schroyer). Right now, I think that we will not be favored to be at the top of the conference. However, I do not thing there is a single game that I can point at and say we have no realistic chance of winning. I could not realistically hope a win was possible every night under past regimes. I just think we are not big and strong enough inside to dominate the conference schedule like the eventual MWC champion will.

I am seeing the kind of progress in the areas we need to progress to believe that this program will not only get into the NCAA tournament soon, but we will be in a position to make some noise when we get there.

+1!!!

I get so sick of the people turning on Shyatt for not winning crap yet. He has been here 2.5 seasons! And the first two years hit 20 wins each year! That's a huge milestone!
What do those people want? Fire him and hire WHO???

 

[johnywyo]

Well guys, all in all- we don't have much in the cupboard right now. Very unimpressive performance thus far, especially in the recruiting ranks. We will struggle against opponents w/ taller athletic guards, and if Nance is not on the floor- we will be exposed for no real scoring options. It really doesn't matter if we love Shyatt or not, his Coaching ability is not the question in this thread; his players performance on the court is. I will be surprised if we go .500 in conference- even in a down year, at this juncture of the schedule. Fingers crossed, not a good feeling.

 

[BeaverPoke]

How do you people continue to ignore Josh Adams?
Struggle against taller more athletics guards? Bull. Josh Adams as a true freshman held current NBA player Jamaal Franklin to hardly any points and SDSU to 9 points in Laramie last year.
Adams as a 6'2 freshman guarded all the tallest guards in the MWC last season, he doesn't struggle with anyone.

 

[kansasCowboy]

How do you people continue to ignore Josh Adams?
Struggle against taller more athletics guards? Bull. Josh Adams as a true freshman held current NBA player Jamaal Franklin to hardly any points and SDSU to 9 points in Laramie last year.
Adams as a 6'2 freshman guarded all the tallest guards in the MWC last season, he doesn't struggle with anyone.

No one is ignoring Adams. He is a good defender, but, every team we face has two to three guards in at one time. He can't guard them all. Sobey 's D is suspect and Grabau is one of our slowest defenders. Who does that leave to fill in defensively against other guards? Granbury? Hankerson? Washington? None of them have been all that great either.

 

[NowherePoke]

How do you people continue to ignore Josh Adams?
Struggle against taller more athletics guards? Bull. Josh Adams as a true freshman held current NBA player Jamaal Franklin to hardly any points and SDSU to 9 points in Laramie last year.
Adams as a 6'2 freshman guarded all the tallest guards in the MWC last season, he doesn't struggle with anyone.

No one is ignoring Adams. He is a good defender, but, every team we face has two to three guards in at one time. He can't guard them all. Sobey 's D is suspect and Grabau is one of our slowest defenders. Who does that leave to fill in defensively against other guards? Granbury? Hankerson? Washington? None of them have been all that great either.

Very true. Plus, our biggest problem on the perimeter is not on the defensive side of the ball. Our problems are on the offensive side of the ball.

Grabau doesn't have the physical ability (quickness and lift) to use dribble penetration to break down the defense or finish in the paint. Adams does, but he is still a work in progress and has a high turnover rate.

I think it's time to revisit the rotation..

Starters:

G - Grabau
G - Adams
G/F - Granberry
F - Cooke
F - Nance

Bench:

G - Washington
G/F - Hankerson


Bring Trey in as the first perimeter substitution and bring in Hankerson when Cooke has to go out and let Granberry slide to the "4". I think Jerron should be playing 30+ minutes per game.

Going into next season, we need to add two players in the spring. A wing scorer and a big man, probably both from the JC ranks. Hopefully another year of development for Cooke and Adams will improve their games and I think we know at this point what we will get from Nance and Grabau. If we add the right JC guys (easier said than done, very limited pool of MWC caliber JC talent out there), we could have a decent 8 man rotation next year.

 

[TheRealUW]

Well guys, all in all- we don't have much in the cupboard right now. Very unimpressive performance thus far, especially in the recruiting ranks. We will struggle against opponents w/ taller athletic guards, and if Nance is not on the floor- we will be exposed for no real scoring options. It really doesn't matter if we love Shyatt or not, his Coaching ability is not the question in this thread; his players performance on the court is. I will be surprised if we go .500 in conference- even in a down year, at this juncture of the schedule. Fingers crossed, not a good feeling.

I agree with this for the most part. Shyatt's recruiting has been very underwhelming. This most recent class gives me some hope, but I'm still not convinced it is where it needs to be to be a title contender in the MWC. We have way too many guys incapable of contributing on this team right now. Regardless of what has occurred in the past, Wyoming is not a place that is likely to get commits straight from the high school ranks with the talent level to be a MWC title contender. With UNLV, Sand Diego State, and New Mexico routinely pulling in 4 star guys, Wyoming just isn't going to be able to match that talent level by farming the high school ranks alone. I've stated this before, but I really believe Wyoming needs to concentrate on transfers and JC guys for the majority of their high level talent. The high school ranks are great for filling out the team with role players and solid, fundamentally sound basketball players.

CSU is a great example of this. Look at last years team. Colton Iverson, a transfer from Minnesota, and Wes Eikmeirer, a transfer from Iowa State, were two huge pices of that team. Without those two players, there is no way CSU performs as well as they did last year. Their best player this year, JJ Avila, is a Navy transfer and has single handedly prevented a catastrophic drop in the MWC conference for CSU this year. They would be a bottom feeder this year without him. The whole transfer thing seems to working out pretty well for CSU. Half of UNLV's roster is transfers. While they started the season slowly, that team has looked legitimate in the past few weeks. Add in the fact that Wyoming has some of the top JC programs in the nation, and I'm a bit perplexed why those guys aren't more heavily recruited. Remi Dibo, a versatile forward out of Casper College, has looked pretty good this season for Bob Huggins and West Virginia. Just my thoughts though.

 

[NowherePoke]

Well guys, all in all- we don't have much in the cupboard right now. Very unimpressive performance thus far, especially in the recruiting ranks. We will struggle against opponents w/ taller athletic guards, and if Nance is not on the floor- we will be exposed for no real scoring options. It really doesn't matter if we love Shyatt or not, his Coaching ability is not the question in this thread; his players performance on the court is. I will be surprised if we go .500 in conference- even in a down year, at this juncture of the schedule. Fingers crossed, not a good feeling.

I agree with this for the most part. Shyatt's recruiting has been very underwhelming. This most recent class gives me some hope, but I'm still not convinced it is where it needs to be to be a title contender in the MWC. We have way too many guys incapable of contributing on this team right now. Regardless of what has occurred in the past, Wyoming is not a place that is likely to get commits straight from the high school ranks with the talent level to be a MWC title contender. With UNLV, Sand Diego State, and New Mexico routinely pulling in 4 star guys, Wyoming just isn't going to be able to match that talent level by farming the high school ranks alone. I've stated this before, but I really believe Wyoming needs to concentrate on transfers and JC guys for the majority of their high level talent. The high school ranks are great for filling out the team with role players and solid, fundamentally sound basketball players.

CSU is a great example of this. Look at last years team. Colton Iverson, a transfer from Minnesota, and Wes Eikmeirer, a transfer from Iowa State, were two huge pices of that team. Without those two players, there is no way CSU performs as well as they did last year. Their best player this year, JJ Avila, is a Navy transfer and has single handedly prevented a catastrophic drop in the MWC conference for CSU this year. They would be a bottom feeder this year without him. The whole transfer thing seems to working out pretty well for CSU. Half of UNLV's roster is transfers. While they started the season slowly, that team has looked legitimate in the past few weeks. Add in the fact that Wyoming has some of the top JC programs in the nation, and I'm a bit perplexed why those guys aren't more heavily recruited. Remi Dibo, a versatile forward out of Casper College, has looked pretty good this season for Bob Huggins and West Virginia. Just my thoughts though.

Agree on transfers. Of course, the reality is that the current Wyoming team plays 7 players significant minutes and 4 of them are transfers, so we already head down that road to an extent.

We recruited Dibo (twice, under two different coaching staffs actually), we just lost. That is a recurring theme and probably more concerning than Shyatt's actual recruiting strategy. We have targeted some quality HS, JC, and D-1 transfers that we have lost out on.

Rashad Muhammad has been very impressive as a true freshman for an admittedly poor SJSU team. We had him on campus and lost out to a team that plays in front of nobody and was objectively awful last year (albeit with a new coach this year of course).

TJ Sapp is another one, a D-1 transfer from Clemson that chose Murray State instead. He was a mid-year transfer and has averaged 20 ppg in his first two games at Murray (an admittedly small sample).

There were several others as well.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Our perimeter problems are on the offense not defense? What?
We give up SO many 3's to nobody teams EVERY game.
And we have Grabau who is among the nations leaders in 3 point percentage...How is that an offensive problem???

We give up so many 3's on defense...

 

[stymeman]

Hank looks like he wants to go off but the tight reigns on him by this offense, Granberry is just fine, once the 3's go during conference season we're gonna be just fine

 

[NowherePoke]

Our perimeter problems are on the offense not defense? What?
We give up SO many 3's to nobody teams EVERY game.
And we have Grabau who is among the nations leaders in 3 point percentage...How is that an offensive problem???

We give up so many 3's on defense...

Opponents shoot 30% from 3 against the Pokes. That puts the Pokes in the top 25% of teams nationally in opponent 3FG%.

Of course, we play a lot of weak teams, so that is part of it.

Still, even if you adjust for opponent strength, the Pokes are a much better defensive team than offensive (AdjD ranking on KenPom = 77, AdjO = 172) and while the lack of production from Cooke is an issue, the production from Nance offsets that. The weak offensive ranking is because our guards can't create looks on offense.