Will Wyoming over-commit for 2017 if both Hunter and Parker chose UW?

[Cowboy Junky]

We might not have to run off an underachiever. Sometimes they fail out. Sometimes they realize that they won't see the court the entire time they're in Laramie.

I wouldn't support it if we had to run someone off.

If I could chose, I would yank Barnes or Marshalls schollie so fast it makes your head spin, although Marshall wouldn't do us any good since he's done after next season. I don't see Barnes failing out or quitting though. He just seems like the type of kid that will see things through.

This is one of those ethical dilemma's. It's almost like celebrating when an opposing player gets hurt. It sends out waves of bad mojo that immediately takes down one of your best players. It feels like wishing for someone to leave will result in someone we don't want to leave going instead.

I hope we don't run anyone off, but I can't see us passing on Bay, Stewart, or Thompson, regardless of how many schollies we have left.

Well the other bummer about getting rid of Barnes could be that by his Senior season he might be able to help the squad out. It always seemed he needed to redshirt. It's gonna be interesting to see how his game has evolved this year. It's hard to say with him. I mean its footwork/foot speed that are a couple of his biggest problems. Maybe he gets things a little more figured out and becomes a contributor this year or the next. If Barnes finds ways to contribute to the squad by then it'll be awesome because we'll be able to toss a lot of big lineups at opponents. I mean if Barnes puts in big work at the weight room 2 more years maybe he can just rag doll up some points & boards.

He didn't look very good in the Bahamas, aside from about 10 minutes during one game.

It's not like his schollie is a total loss. He comes in very handy against teams with big, physical posts. Against Cal, he was defensively dominant in the post.

Hopefully he'll improve. I just have a hard time believing that it will be enough to break into a Wyoming post that has some pretty good young players in it.

 

[NowherePoke]

The answer is yes. I would say there is at least a 95% chance we oversign by at least one.

I base this on the history (we have been doing so in recent years) and the fact that we have so many targets coming to campus. There are at least 4 scheduled visits (Stewart, Thompson, Mack, Milsted) coming up for 2017 prospects on top of those that have already visited (Bey, Avea, Knell, etc.).

I suspect we will sign Thompson and a guard. Stewart would be awesome, but a long shot IMO

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

He didn't look very good in the Bahamas, aside from about 10 minutes during one game.

It's not like his schollie is a total loss. He comes in very handy against teams with big, physical posts. Against Cal, he was defensively dominant in the post.

Hopefully he'll improve. I just have a hard time believing that it will be enough to break into a Wyoming post that has some pretty good young players in it.

Yeah especially with the new talented bigs we have on the way too. I mean we could be loaded next year on the blocks for the first time in over a decade. I hope Barnes could be a solid MWC player but it's hard to hold onto his scholly if all of sudden we have freshmen coming in that are more skilled/athletic then him ready to make a big impact. Still impressed we're even having this conversation with Edward's recruiting to be honest. I wasn't even dreaming we could be in a scenario like this right now. It is sad if we have to get rid of guys (especially Barnes seems like a good kid) but another reality too is if we become a really exciting team that is winning few in the fan base would get too upset...hell a bunch would probably be happy we did it.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

He didn't look very good in the Bahamas, aside from about 10 minutes during one game.

It's not like his schollie is a total loss. He comes in very handy against teams with big, physical posts. Against Cal, he was defensively dominant in the post.

Hopefully he'll improve. I just have a hard time believing that it will be enough to break into a Wyoming post that has some pretty good young players in it.

Yeah especially with the new talented bigs we have on the way too. I mean we could be loaded next year on the blocks for the first time in over a decade. I hope Barnes could be a solid MWC player but it's hard to hold onto his scholly if all of sudden we have freshmen coming in that are more skilled/athletic then him ready to make a big impact. Still impressed we're even having this conversation with Edward's recruiting to be honest. I wasn't even dreaming we could be in a scenario like this right now. It is sad if we have to get rid of guys (especially Barnes seems like a good kid) but another reality too is if we become a really exciting team that is winning few in the fan base would get too upset...hell a bunch would probably be happy we did it.

Yeah, I don't know if Barnes will ever play a significant roll on this team. Mueller and Jones hit the floor in 2017, assuming Mueller redshirts. Unless someone leaves, we've got Herndon, Naughton, Moemeka, Dalton, Jones, Mueller, Barnes, and whomever we may sign this year. I know a few of those guys can get minutes at SF eventually, but our post is loaded with good young players.

My brother and I we're talking about the possible attrition in the post, if there is any. Barnes is a home schooled kid. He's here to get a degree. I just can't see him quitting. He might transfer somewhere to get minutes, but I don't know how important playing time is to him. He doesn't look like he's enjoying himself when he is playing. Dalton can't afford any more off the court problems after his marijuana incident. He's at risk.

A lot of time, these things have a tendency to work themselves out. People realize they aren't going to play and transfer somewhere they can play.

More than anything, we need guards right now. I'm really hoping Parker Stewart comes home, because he's just what the doctor ordered: a 6'5" point that can shoot the lights out. We aren't going to turn down Bay or Thompson though. If one of them wants to commit, we'll find a schollie. That doesn't change the fact that we're likely to sign a guard as well.

If Hunter commits, I just can't see us ending it there. I'm about 99 percent positive that we'll still sign a guard. Hopefully, it's Parker.

Regardless, this roster is one or two signings away from being a legit, perennial, top 20 program.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Yeah, I don't know if Barnes will ever play a significant roll on this team. Mueller and Jones hit the floor in 2017, assuming Mueller redshirts. Unless someone leaves, we've got Herndon, Naughton, Moemeka, Dalton, Jones, Mueller, Barnes, and whomever we may sign this year. I know a few of those guys can get minutes at SF eventually, but our post is loaded with good young players.

My brother and I we're talking about the possible attrition in the post, if there is any. Barnes is a home schooled kid. He's here to get a degree. I just can't see him quitting. He might transfer somewhere to get minutes, but I don't know how important playing time is to him. He doesn't look like he's enjoying himself when he is playing. Dalton can't afford any more off the court problems after his marijuana incident. He's at risk.

A lot of time, these things have a tendency to work themselves out. People realize they aren't going to play and transfer somewhere they can play.

More than anything, we need guards right now. I'm really hoping Parker Stewart comes home, because he's just what the doctor ordered: a 6'5" point that can shoot the lights out.

Regardless, this roster is one or two signings away from being a legit, perennial, top 20 program.

It really really is Junky! I know your not one to really rush to those conclusions as quickly either, but I believe your absolutely right. I mean Shy didn't leave the cupboard bare at all and then bam one unbelievable recruiting year from being a top 3 MWC team for years to come. The craziest thing is we've had groups of players around this caliber sorta young, but never have I seen us be in the hunt for 4 major recruits to send us over the top in the future to compliment it.

I guess the last time would be Jay Straight coming into that tourney running team. That guy was a massive freshmen player for a deep squad. Now this is the kind of talk I love to hear us talk again. Parker could even have more of an impact then any other freshmen we've seen before. He just feels like that kind of player and has a relationship to Wyoming. I mean those players really bring out the WYO WYO fans in droves man. We'd also be looking at a stylish squad.

The remaining members of the High 5 will succeed....hopefully. Wasn't Mo getting some Pt this summer? Dalton had some of the most fire on our team....yes in more ways then 1 ahahah. I'm rooting for the stoner continent to come alive and be some cowboy greats. It's like we could be college hoops 2000's Portland Trailblazers. Just give us the excitement from your dope play. Let us also remember our stoner past with a certain guy in the front that helped deliver a championship.

 

[LanderPoke]

The High 5! still cracks me up

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Yeah, I don't know if Barnes will ever play a significant roll on this team. Mueller and Jones hit the floor in 2017, assuming Mueller redshirts. Unless someone leaves, we've got Herndon, Naughton, Moemeka, Dalton, Jones, Mueller, Barnes, and whomever we may sign this year. I know a few of those guys can get minutes at SF eventually, but our post is loaded with good young players.

My brother and I we're talking about the possible attrition in the post, if there is any. Barnes is a home schooled kid. He's here to get a degree. I just can't see him quitting. He might transfer somewhere to get minutes, but I don't know how important playing time is to him. He doesn't look like he's enjoying himself when he is playing. Dalton can't afford any more off the court problems after his marijuana incident. He's at risk.

A lot of time, these things have a tendency to work themselves out. People realize they aren't going to play and transfer somewhere they can play.

More than anything, we need guards right now. I'm really hoping Parker Stewart comes home, because he's just what the doctor ordered: a 6'5" point that can shoot the lights out.

Regardless, this roster is one or two signings away from being a legit, perennial, top 20 program.

It really really is Junky! I know your not one to really rush to those conclusions as quickly either, but I believe your absolutely right. I mean Shy didn't leave the cupboard bare at all and then bam one unbelievable recruiting year from being a top 3 MWC team for years to come. The craziest thing is we've had groups of players around this caliber sorta young, but never have I seen us be in the hunt for 4 major recruits to send us over the top in the future to compliment it.

I guess the last time would be Jay Straight coming into that tourney running team. That guy was a massive freshmen player for a deep squad. Now this is the kind of talk I love to hear us talk again. Parker could even have more of an impact then any other freshmen we've seen before. He just feels like that kind of player and has a relationship to Wyoming. I mean those players really bring out the WYO WYO fans in droves man. We'd also be looking at a stylish squad.

The remaining members of the High 5 will succeed....hopefully. Wasn't Mo getting some Pt this summer? Dalton had some of the most fire on our team....yes in more ways then 1 ahahah. I'm rooting for the stoner continent to come alive and be some cowboy greats. It's like we could be college hoops 2000's Portland Trailblazers. Just give us the excitement from your dope play. Let us also remember our stoner past with a certain guy in the front that helped deliver a championship.

I totally agree.

It's hard not to get excited with Edwards recruiting. Adams looks like the best scorer on our team. We beat Memphis, among others, to get him. Buddha Jones is a top 100 recruit. Maldonado might be a sleeper, but he's got athleticism to burn and great length.

If we can add Thompson and Stewart, or Bay and Stewart, the new guys taking the floor in 2017 would be:

4 star Brodricks Jones
4 star Hunter Thompson/Tyler Bey
4 star Parker Stewart
Austin Mueller(if he redshirts)
Hunter Maldonado.

Even if we only sign one more of the big three, we'll still be introducing two highly rated recruits to the floor in the same season. When is the last time Wyoming had two four star recruits hit the floor in the same season? Have we ever had two four star guys in the same class? I know we've never had three.

With Edwards going back to a fast break offense in a basketball arena that will be one of the nicest facilities in the west, the future looks extremely bright for Pokes basketball. We might even have a pretty significant upsurge in attendance with a more aggressive offense.

Damn, I sure hope Hunter Thompson commits this weekend.

 

[wiley wapiti]

Hunter would be crazy to take that and not a full ride athletic scholarship, with the possibility of the extra stipend

Can I ask you what this extra stipend is you are talking about? Thanks.

I'm referring to the "cost of attendance" that was put in place. http://www.wyosports.net/university_of_wyoming/the-cost-of-attendance-wyoming-moving-forward-with-plan/article_05f22fba-f6cd-11e4-9ad2-7f0cf8a96e91.html

"Wille also said the cost-of-attendance figure applies to the entire student body. For instance, if students are on presidential scholarships at UW that include cost of attendance, that figure applies to them as well.

Other criteria include the actual cost of a scholarship – full or partial – at each school, along with things such as cost of living in that community."

I could very well be wrong, but I read it as he still would/could receive that stipen taking the Hathaway...

I'm not sure how many of you have played college athletics, but I did. I can tell you with 100% conviction I would have taken the Hathaway to free up another scholly to bring in another 4 star kid in a minute, but maybe I'm the exception. That might be a good poll for fellow college athletes here on the board.....for reference, I was not at UW when I played.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I could very well be wrong, but I read it as he still would/could receive that stipen taking the Hathaway...

I'm not sure how many of you have played college athletics, but I did. I can tell you with 100% conviction I would have taken the Hathaway to free up another scholly to bring in another 4 star kid in a minute, but maybe I'm the exception. That might be a good poll for fellow college athletes here on the board.....for reference, I was not at UW when I played.

That would be a total game changer for the program. Literally it would be a sacrifice that could setup the basketball program to be a conference elite for a decade if we handled it right. I mean if that happens we could lose Edwards in 2 to 4 seasons or maybe we could get shit-house lucky, Edwards stays loving to build a dynasty in Laramie until his UK wildcats steal him back from us! Think of who Edwards could recruit after we have an insane lineup like that??? We really would be talking about a legit top 25 team in Laramie that would be unstoppable in the Dome of DOOM :evil: :evil: :evil:

I mean until things happen otherwise I'm going to continue to keep dreaming of the best. Thanks WW for throwing out even more "dream" material. A very cool angle to think about no matter how far out.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Hunter would be crazy to take that and not a full ride athletic scholarship, with the possibility of the extra stipend

Can I ask you what this extra stipend is you are talking about? Thanks.

I'm referring to the "cost of attendance" that was put in place. http://www.wyosports.net/university_of_wyoming/the-cost-of-attendance-wyoming-moving-forward-with-plan/article_05f22fba-f6cd-11e4-9ad2-7f0cf8a96e91.html

"Wille also said the cost-of-attendance figure applies to the entire student body. For instance, if students are on presidential scholarships at UW that include cost of attendance, that figure applies to them as well.

Other criteria include the actual cost of a scholarship – full or partial – at each school, along with things such as cost of living in that community."

I could very well be wrong, but I read it as he still would/could receive that stipen taking the Hathaway...

I'm not sure how many of you have played college athletics, but I did. I can tell you with 100% conviction I would have taken the Hathaway to free up another scholly to bring in another 4 star kid in a minute, but maybe I'm the exception. That might be a good poll for fellow college athletes here on the board.....for reference, I was not at UW when I played.

In your quote you are talking about the Presidential, not the Hathaway. The Presidential and Trustees Scholarships pay for full tuition and also provide a stipend for room-and-board. The Hathaway is only for tuition, with a max (at the highest level) of $1680/semester. This is the cost of tuition for 15 credit hours at in-state tuition. This does not include fees, books, room or board.

The Hathaway does have a needs-based component where one can apply for additional funds, but that isn't guaranteed and you only get it if you/your family qualifies.

So long story short, the Hathaway only covers tuition, that's it. However, if Thompson were to get a Presidential or Trustees scholarship, that is a different story.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I totally agree.

It's hard not to get excited with Edwards recruiting. Adams looks like the best scorer on our team. We beat Memphis, among others, to get him. Buddha Jones is a top 100 recruit. Maldonado might be a sleeper, but he's got athleticism to burn and great length.

If we can add Thompson and Stewart, or Bay and Stewart, the new guys taking the floor in 2017 would be:

4 star Brodricks Jones
4 star Hunter Thompson/Tyler Bey
4 star Parker Stewart
Austin Mueller(if he redshirts)
Hunter Maldonado.

Even if we only sign one more of the big three, we'll still be introducing two highly rated recruits to the floor in the same season. When is the last time Wyoming had two four star recruits hit the floor in the same season? Have we ever had two four star guys in the same class? I know we've never had three.

With Edwards going back to a fast break offense in a basketball arena that will be one of the nicest facilities in the west, the future looks extremely bright for Pokes basketball. We might even have a pretty significant upsurge in attendance with a more aggressive offense.

Damn, I sure hope Hunter Thompson commits this weekend.

These guys
4 star Brodricks Jones-Soph
4 star Hunter Thompson/Tyler Bey-Freshmen
4 star Parker Stewart-Freshmen
Austin Mueller(if he redshirts)-Freshmen if RS
Hunter Maldonado-Freshmen

plus
Louis Adams-Senior
Aka Gorski-Senior
Hayden Dalton-Senior
Alan Herndon-Senior
Justin James-Junior
Jeremy Lieberman-Senior
Andrew Moemeka-Soph
Jordan Naughton-Junior
Nyaires Redding-Senior-Walk on correct? Would have to stay that way.
Jonathan Barnes-Senior????-Most likely gets cut in scenario.

Damn that looks insane!!!! Probably would be our most loaded top to bottom lineup in the history of basketball. I don't even know if there would be enough PT for all those bigs, unless we run so much that the rotation gets everyone PT. It'd also be critical that Parker Stewart, JJ, and Redding can handle the rock at PG a little. There would truly be unreal battles just to make it onto the court. We'd finally get SDSU off the glass, hell maybe even give them some of their own medicine.

Another side note I just thought of-Think of Herndon or Dalton playing the 3 with those other dudes on the blocks. We'd be sooooo lengthy and dominate the boards. They'd just have to be able to stick with dudes on the perimeter. Even if they get burned off the dribble help would be in the key, they'd just have to be able to recover enough to contest shots. They can both knock down the 3 as well and by Senior year should be on point.

 

[NowherePoke]

WestWYO already covered what I was going to point out. There seems to be a perception that the Hathaway covers everything, but that isn't really the case. If you qualify for the "Honors" level Hathaway than it does have a "need" component that could cover all expenses but the family would need to qualify.

There are a lot of variables. A kid from a regular middle class Wyoming family with a 3.2 GPA for example is only going to get enough to cover 3/4 of tuition as an example. Quite a bit different from a full ride athletic scholarship with stipend. Especially if the student-athlete has full ride opportunities at other high quality institutions like Creighton.

I know nothing about Thompson's academics or family, so I won't pretend to know what he will do, but in general I think the Hathaway is only a benefit in recruiting for kids we are trying to get as walk-ons when there other options are D2 or JC schools.

 

[wiley wapiti]

WestWYO already covered what I was going to point out. There seems to be a perception that the Hathaway covers everything, but that isn't really the case. If you qualify for the "Honors" level Hathaway than it does have a "need" component that could cover all expenses but the family would need to qualify.

There are a lot of variables. A kid from a regular middle class Wyoming family with a 3.2 GPA for example is only going to get enough to cover 3/4 of tuition as an example. Quite a bit different from a full ride athletic scholarship with stipend. Especially if the student-athlete has full ride opportunities at other high quality institutions like Creighton.

I know nothing about Thompson's academics or family, so I won't pretend to know what he will do, but in general I think the Hathaway is only a benefit in recruiting for kids we are trying to get as walk-ons when there other options are D2 or JC schools.

Once again, I could be wrong, but it says it applies to "ALL STUDENT BODY....for instance, IF the student has the presidential"...it never says that it doesn't apply to the Hathaway and it states full OR partial scholly, which to my understanding is more inline with the Hathaway. Maybe I'm just looking to far into it or just not totally understanding the exact wording.

Yes, I do understand the Hathaway doesn't pay for everything, and its on a case by case basis, but it plainly states the stipend can go to partial scholarship students. I think....

It may not be the best option or a viable option and thats why we don't see more of this happening...the whole discussion came up because the poster said he would lose out on the stipend, but I'm not sure that is accurate. Now Hunter might not get a full scholly with the Hathaway, but I still feel like he would be inline for the stipend with the Hathaway.

 

[poke_addict]

Its just still crazy to me that we are even in this situation. I would kill to hear what is talked about in the coaches recruiting meetings. I have no doubt in my mind the staff would over sign. I don't see how you pass on the opportunity to land Parker and Bey/Hunter.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I totally agree.

It's hard not to get excited with Edwards recruiting. Adams looks like the best scorer on our team. We beat Memphis, among others, to get him. Buddha Jones is a top 100 recruit. Maldonado might be a sleeper, but he's got athleticism to burn and great length.

If we can add Thompson and Stewart, or Bay and Stewart, the new guys taking the floor in 2017 would be:

4 star Brodricks Jones
4 star Hunter Thompson/Tyler Bey
4 star Parker Stewart
Austin Mueller(if he redshirts)
Hunter Maldonado.

Even if we only sign one more of the big three, we'll still be introducing two highly rated recruits to the floor in the same season. When is the last time Wyoming had two four star recruits hit the floor in the same season? Have we ever had two four star guys in the same class? I know we've never had three.

With Edwards going back to a fast break offense in a basketball arena that will be one of the nicest facilities in the west, the future looks extremely bright for Pokes basketball. We might even have a pretty significant upsurge in attendance with a more aggressive offense.

Damn, I sure hope Hunter Thompson commits this weekend.

These guys
4 star Brodricks Jones-Soph
4 star Hunter Thompson/Tyler Bey-Freshmen
4 star Parker Stewart-Freshmen
Austin Mueller(if he redshirts)-Freshmen if RS
Hunter Maldonado-Freshmen

plus
Louis Adams-Senior
Aka Gorski-Senior
Hayden Dalton-Senior
Alan Herndon-Senior
Justin James-Junior
Jeremy Lieberman-Senior
Andrew Moemeka-Soph
Jordan Naughton-Junior
Nyaires Redding-Senior-Walk on correct? Would have to stay that way.
Jonathan Barnes-Senior????-Most likely gets cut in scenario.

Damn that looks insane!!!! Probably would be our most loaded top to bottom lineup in the history of basketball. I don't even know if there would be enough PT for all those bigs, unless we run so much that the rotation gets everyone PT. It'd also be critical that Parker Stewart, JJ, and Redding can handle the rock at PG a little. There would truly be unreal battles just to make it onto the court. We'd finally get SDSU off the glass, hell maybe even give them some of their own medicine.

Another side note I just thought of-Think of Herndon or Dalton playing the 3 with those other dudes on the blocks. We'd be sooooo lengthy and dominate the boards. They'd just have to be able to stick with dudes on the perimeter. Even if they get burned off the dribble help would be in the key, they'd just have to be able to recover enough to contest shots. They can both knock down the 3 as well and by Senior year should be on point.

Yep. That's a pretty stacked roster. You would have to think that we would be conference championship contenders. In addition, it would give us the same type of post depth, offensive balance, tempo, and size that we had when we won games in the NCAA tournament.

That year is going to be fun regardless. Even if we didn't sign any of the 4 star guys we're on, we're still going to be very good that year.

We're on the precipice of a Wyoming basketball MWC hostile takeover. With UNLV and UNM struggling, Wyoming has an easier path to the top of the league.

I know it's all fantasy when you speculate about how good the Cowboys can be. The one thing Larry Shyatt has done and the new staff has continued is raise the ceiling on how high the Cowboys and our fans can dream. Best case scenario, we're looking at a deep run in the NCAA in a few short seasons.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

WestWYO already covered what I was going to point out. There seems to be a perception that the Hathaway covers everything, but that isn't really the case. If you qualify for the "Honors" level Hathaway than it does have a "need" component that could cover all expenses but the family would need to qualify.

There are a lot of variables. A kid from a regular middle class Wyoming family with a 3.2 GPA for example is only going to get enough to cover 3/4 of tuition as an example. Quite a bit different from a full ride athletic scholarship with stipend. Especially if the student-athlete has full ride opportunities at other high quality institutions like Creighton.

I know nothing about Thompson's academics or family, so I won't pretend to know what he will do, but in general I think the Hathaway is only a benefit in recruiting for kids we are trying to get as walk-ons when there other options are D2 or JC schools.

Once again, I could be wrong, but it says it applies to "ALL STUDENT BODY....for instance, IF the student has the presidential"...it never says that it doesn't apply to the Hathaway and it states full OR partial scholly, which to my understanding is more inline with the Hathaway. Maybe I'm just looking to far into it or just not totally understanding the exact wording.

Yes, I do understand the Hathaway doesn't pay for everything, and its on a case by case basis, but it plainly states the stipend can go to partial scholarship students. I think....

It may not be the best option or a viable option and thats why we don't see more of this happening...the whole discussion came up because the poster said he would lose out on the stipend, but I'm not sure that is accurate. Now Hunter might not get a full scholly with the Hathaway, but I still feel like he would be inline for the stipend with the Hathaway.

I could also be wrong as I don't work directly in financial aid, but I think this is how it goes.

That cost of attendance is an additional figure tacked on to the athletic scholarship, at UW this number is $3,240. Full-ride athletic scholarships at UW include tuition and room-and-board, the cost of attendance scholarship would be an additional $3240 AFTER that.

However, with a Hathaway, only tuition is covered. So the cost of attendance stipend would be the $3,240 after tuition but not including the room-and-board component (even though I'm sure that's how it would be used).

The estimate for room-and-board per UW's website is $4485/semester. So essentially, any student-athlete that would be choosing the Hathaway instead of a full-ride athletic scholarship would still geth the $3,240 just like everyone else, but would be missing out on the $4485 that the full-ride scholarship gives. So they would be sacrificing almost $9000 a year.

Again, I could be wrong, but I think that is how it works.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Well as I high and dreaming as I can get about the above listed scenario the chances of it happening have to be less then 1%. Hunter going to UW without an athletic scholly is even more unlikely to me then us landing Parker or Bey. Then to land both those guys would be the :thefan: for the rest of the MWC. Still let's all just stay optimistic. You never know what could happen.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Yep. That's a pretty stacked roster. You would have to think that we would be conference championship contenders. In addition, it would give us the same type of post depth, offensive balance, tempo, and size that we had when we won games in the NCAA tournament.

That year is going to be fun regardless. Even if we didn't sign any of the 4 star guys we're on, we're still going to be very good that year. In addition, that's the year we play in the Cayman Islands tournament against Cinci, Iowa, UAB and teams to be announced. A good result in that pre-season tournament puts us in the top 25 early in the season, so our boys are playing to improve their seed in the NCAA tournament.

We're on the precipice of a Wyoming basketball MWC hostile takeover. With UNLV and UNM struggling, Wyoming has an easier path to the top of the league.

I know it's all fantasy when you speculate about how good the Cowboys can be. The one thing Larry Shyatt has done and the new staff has continued is raise the ceiling on how high the Cowboys and our fans can dream. Best case scenario, we're looking at a deep run in the NCAA in a few short seasons.

This right here is so true. From dumpster fire to this thread right now. It seems like we have a pretty damn good shot at landing at least one of these 4 star guys. Just being this deep in the mix on 3 sends our odds up. If we can just seal one of them up soon then things would get very interesting. Then the 2 other 4 stars guys have to go "wait a minute that dude at that spot just signed for UW". Domino effect could take place.

Your right 2017 is our year anyway you slice it. It could be a massive banner year if we get the big recruiting prizes we're chasing. We're still big man heavy heading into that year so Parker would be the best get. I wouldn't be bitching in the slightest if we got Bey or Hunter. I've been one of the most vocal on here about us getting quality bigs and to be absolutely loaded would have me like :banana: :banana: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dope: :dope: :dope: :dope: :dope: :dope:

 

[wiley wapiti]

WestWYO already covered what I was going to point out. There seems to be a perception that the Hathaway covers everything, but that isn't really the case. If you qualify for the "Honors" level Hathaway than it does have a "need" component that could cover all expenses but the family would need to qualify.

There are a lot of variables. A kid from a regular middle class Wyoming family with a 3.2 GPA for example is only going to get enough to cover 3/4 of tuition as an example. Quite a bit different from a full ride athletic scholarship with stipend. Especially if the student-athlete has full ride opportunities at other high quality institutions like Creighton.

I know nothing about Thompson's academics or family, so I won't pretend to know what he will do, but in general I think the Hathaway is only a benefit in recruiting for kids we are trying to get as walk-ons when there other options are D2 or JC schools.

Once again, I could be wrong, but it says it applies to "ALL STUDENT BODY....for instance, IF the student has the presidential"...it never says that it doesn't apply to the Hathaway and it states full OR partial scholly, which to my understanding is more inline with the Hathaway. Maybe I'm just looking to far into it or just not totally understanding the exact wording.

Yes, I do understand the Hathaway doesn't pay for everything, and its on a case by case basis, but it plainly states the stipend can go to partial scholarship students. I think....

It may not be the best option or a viable option and thats why we don't see more of this happening...the whole discussion came up because the poster said he would lose out on the stipend, but I'm not sure that is accurate. Now Hunter might not get a full scholly with the Hathaway, but I still feel like he would be inline for the stipend with the Hathaway.

I could also be wrong as I don't work directly in financial aid, but I think this is how it goes.

That cost of attendance is an additional figure tacked on to the athletic scholarship, at UW this number is $3,240. Full-ride athletic scholarships at UW include tuition and room-and-board, the cost of attendance scholarship would be an additional $3240 AFTER that.

However, with a Hathaway, only tuition is covered. So the cost of attendance stipend would be the $3,240 after tuition but not including the room-and-board component (even though I'm sure that's how it would be used).

The estimate for room-and-board per UW's website is $4485/semester. So essentially, any student-athlete that would be choosing the Hathaway instead of a full-ride athletic scholarship would still geth the $3,240 just like everyone else, but would be missing out on the $4485 that the full-ride scholarship gives. So they would be sacrificing almost $9000 a year.

Again, I could be wrong, but I think that is how it works.

YES... This is how I understand it as well and understand that taking the Hathaway plus the stipend is less than the full ride (any full ride) plus the stipend. The original statement was, however, that if Hunter took the Hathaway he would not receive the stipend, which I disagreed on. I read it as he would still be eligible for both, and that's all I was stating,not that it would equal each other.

So, yes you and I are on the same page. right or wrong...lol!

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Yep. That's a pretty stacked roster. You would have to think that we would be conference championship contenders. In addition, it would give us the same type of post depth, offensive balance, tempo, and size that we had when we won games in the NCAA tournament.

That year is going to be fun regardless. Even if we didn't sign any of the 4 star guys we're on, we're still going to be very good that year. In addition, that's the year we play in the Cayman Islands tournament against Cinci, Iowa, UAB and teams to be announced. A good result in that pre-season tournament puts us in the top 25 early in the season, so our boys are playing to improve their seed in the NCAA tournament.

We're on the precipice of a Wyoming basketball MWC hostile takeover. With UNLV and UNM struggling, Wyoming has an easier path to the top of the league.

I know it's all fantasy when you speculate about how good the Cowboys can be. The one thing Larry Shyatt has done and the new staff has continued is raise the ceiling on how high the Cowboys and our fans can dream. Best case scenario, we're looking at a deep run in the NCAA in a few short seasons.

This right here is so true. From dumpster fire to this thread right now. It seems like we have a pretty damn good shot at landing at least one of these 4 star guys. Just being this deep in the mix on 3 sends our odds up. If we can just seal one of them up soon then things would get very interesting. Then the 2 other 4 stars guys have to go "wait a minute that dude at that spot just signed for UW". Domino effect could take place.

Your right 2017 is our year anyway you slice it. It could be a massive banner year if we get the big recruiting prizes we're chasing. We're still big man heavy heading into that year so Parker would be the best get. I wouldn't be bitching in the slightest if we got Bey or Hunter. I've been one of the most vocal on here about us getting quality bigs and to be absolutely loaded would have me like :banana: :banana: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dope: :dope: :dope: :dope: :dope: :dope:

You would think that if you get one of the big recruits to commit that it makes it more likely that someone else is going to see potential championship rings/banners and big dance appearances in their future. What kid doesn't want to win some jewelry and go dancing? With the right additions, Wyoming is going to be one of the TWO best teams in the MWC with a legit chance at rings/titles/dance cards on a regular basis.

The roster isn't far away from that right now. If you think about the performance of the basketball team over the last four MWC seasons, the only MWC teams that have been consistently as good as Wyoming are SDSU and Boise. Last year we we're missing five seniors from the year before. The three seasons before that, we we're one of the top three teams in the league. Two of those three years we lost our best player. The other year, our best player got mono. We we're contenders for the title almost the whole time.

I like our chances. If two of these upper level guys chose Wyoming, they're going to get to go dancing and hang more banners(more than one) in the AA. There's no doubt in my mind about that.

This team is literally one or two signings from having a program like SDSU, sustained MWC dominance for the foreseeable future.