Who thinks Burman is any good?

[flyfishwyo]

But it’s not black and white - tom Burman has done a good job !!!!!!!! (Sarc)

That brings up an interesting question. What is more likely to contribute to winning, attendance or revenue? My guess is revenue, but I don't have any evidence of that.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

That brings up an interesting question. What is more likely to contribute to winning, attendance or revenue? My guess is revenue, but I don't have any evidence of that.

Attendance and revenue largely go hand in hand. And what generates them...winning!

 

[307bball]

Is there a way to drop a jpg in here? It's a chart showing facilities spending for Wyoming vs Boise since 2005.

Again, I'm not saying facilities spending equals winning. It's more complex than that. But there's a correlation. They outspent us 4:1 in 2024.

In what direction does the causation flow? Up until recently, you had to win to justify the increased spending. Winners are popular...they attract attention. You might try to jumpstart some success by upgrading a stadium or making a splashy hire but it's not like that directly equalled wins. I can't think of a winner in college football that didn't have high spending....I think you can name a lot of high spenders that don't win. I would say that the latter are the ones focused on administrating a program at the expense of concentrating on comptetive excellence.

Ironically...nowadays you may actaully be able to buy a very successful year with large payments directly to players.

 

[McPeachy]

It's awful. I've been repeating this on here since the year after the AA reseating. It would be extremely simple to have a portal set up to donate the tickets back so they can be distributed to the Boys and Girls Club, Laramie High School, etc.. This would be the easiest way to build the Cowboy fanbase (because I, as well as many others, became Cowboy fans by being a poor middle/high school student purchasing $5 knot hole tickets back in the day).

The worst part is - they have already created a simple feature on the App to SELL your tickets through Seat Geek but have absolutely refused an obvious donation option. Instead, the AA and War have been ruined. Congrats Athletic Department!!

And selling them, gets the seats filled with opposing fans. UNLV and SJSU were both all around us, and it becomes a bit much...

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Is there a way to drop a jpg in here? It's a chart showing facilities spending for Wyoming vs Boise since 2005.

Again, I'm not saying facilities spending equals winning. It's more complex than that. But there's a correlation. They outspent us 4:1 in 2024.

Boise built a winner first, then guess what? Then all sorts of money for facilities followed. Weird concept, I know.

 

[LanderPoke]

That brings up an interesting question. What is more likely to contribute to winning, attendance or revenue? My guess is revenue, but I don't have any evidence of that.

That is good question, but I believe attendance. Winning breeds high attendance, high attendance breeds more fans and more fans means more revenue

 

[flyfishwyo]

Attendance and revenue largely go hand in hand. And what generates them...winning!

All of the empty seats you're complaining about are sold, so ticket sales don't = attendance.

 

[flyfishwyo]

In what direction does the causation flow? Up until recently, you had to win to justify the increased spending. Winners are popular...they attract attention. You might try to jumpstart some success by upgrading a stadium or making a splashy hire but it's not like that directly equalled wins. I can't think of a winner in college football that didn't have high spending....I think you can name a lot of high spenders that don't win. I would say that the latter are the ones focused on administrating a program at the expense of concentrating on comptetive excellence.

Ironically...nowadays you may actaully be able to buy a very successful year with large payments directly to players.

Yeah, CSU is a perfect example of spending not equaling winning. But it did help get them into what they perceive as a better conference.

I'll also say that winning to me is contending for conference championships, regardless of whatever conference you're in. That's why I won't call Craig Bohl's tenure a success. He was better than where we were, but wasn't overall successful.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

All of the empty seats you're complaining about are sold, so ticket sales don't = attendance.

A person actually in attendance increases revenues. But more importantly, lower west stand season tickets are sold - - not the other roughly 40 percent of tickets subject to individual game ticket sales.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

He was better than where we were, but wasn't overall successful.

You and I share a very different perspective on ‘better.’ In fact, if by ‘better’ you actually mean dog , then we agree.

EDIT - I see that was in reference to Craig Bohl, I agree. I disagree that we are better as an athletic department under Burman’s leadership.


Wyoming’s Conference when Burman started:
BYU, TCU, Utah, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, New Mexico, Air Force

Wyoming’s Conference Next Year:
Grand Canyon, Northern Illinois, UC-Davis, UTEP, San Jose State, Nevada, Hawaii, UNLV, Air Force, New Mexico

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Still is super odd that his contract extension was never really publicized.

 

[rocket city poke]

There really isn't an official metric, but this is as good as any and it speaks volumes about UW's athletic department's performance:

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam

nevadasportsnet.com

And the entire time he's making more money with a contract extension. It's so far removed from the real world.

 

[LawPoke]

There really isn't an official metric, but this is as good as any and it speaks volumes about UW's athletic department's performance:

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam

nevadasportsnet.com

And the entire time he's making more money with a contract extension. It's so far removed from the real world.

Ugh. That is depressing. No surprising, but depressing. Our new conference is going to SUCK.

 

[LawPoke]

You and I share a very different perspective on ‘better.’ In fact, if by ‘better’ you actually mean dog , then we agree.

EDIT - I see that was in reference to Craig Bohl, I agree. I disagree that we are better as an athletic department under Burman’s leadership.


Wyoming’s Conference when Burman started:
BYU, TCU, Utah, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, New Mexico, Air Force

Wyoming’s Conference Next Year:
Grand Canyon, Northern Illinois, UC-Davis, UTEP, San Jose State, Nevada, Hawaii, UNLV, Air Force, New Mexico

And we have gotten worse - almost across the board - despite the crappier competition.

I understand the world of college athletics has shifted under everyone's feet, but it has affected EVERYONE. No one has been immune.

 

[McPeachy]

All of the empty seats you're complaining about are sold, so ticket sales don't = attendance.

Which is true, and the main point of UW having a portal for unused seats so that people can go to and enjoy the games, that usually don't have the opportunity (vets, kids, schools, BBBS, etc.).