Western Michigan vs. WYO

[Wyokie]

I tell you what, When the going gets tough, people bitch and cry about "EVERYTHING"! First the team, then the coach, then the AD, then fan support, now our arena. It's pathetic!

That is nothing unusual after bad seasons.....Hawaii was terrible in everything this year....football, basketball, baseball.....all of a sudden people are talking about dropping sports, pulling donations, firing everyone and anyone that can be found, not attending future games, its complain and bitch city. This happens when you lose.....it is hardly exclusive to Wyoming....venture over to ramnation.com......the bitching is thick and in the air over there.

The Ram farts always bitch even when they are winning!!!! Dumbest mistake those idiots made was running off Sonny Lubick. I'm glad they did but still....

Didn't we just have 20 wins. Thats the exact amount we had in Schroyers last two years. Can I see this being a disappointing season? Yes. But, no one is talking about a disappointing season, They are talking like we won less than 10 wins. Get over your petty crap people. We just went 20-14. Next thing I know, we'll go 23-10 next year and everyone will freak when we make the NIT, because we are SO HORRIBLE!

The reason we're PISSED is that we didn't win hardly any conference games and our OOC slate didn't help us get ready for the conference slate!

 

[kansasCowboy]

I tell you what, When the going gets tough, people bitch and cry about "EVERYTHING"! First the team, then the coach, then the AD, then fan support, now our arena. It's pathetic!

That is nothing unusual after bad seasons.....Hawaii was terrible in everything this year....football, basketball, baseball.....all of a sudden people are talking about dropping sports, pulling donations, firing everyone and anyone that can be found, not attending future games, its complain and bitch city. This happens when you lose.....it is hardly exclusive to Wyoming....venture over to ramnation.com......the bitching is thick and in the air over there.

The Ram farts always bitch even when they are winning!!!! Dumbest mistake those idiots made was running off Sonny Lubick. I'm glad they did but still....

Didn't we just have 20 wins. Thats the exact amount we had in Schroyers last two years. Can I see this being a disappointing season? Yes. But, no one is talking about a disappointing season, They are talking like we won less than 10 wins. Get over your petty crap people. We just went 20-14. Next thing I know, we'll go 23-10 next year and everyone will freak when we make the NIT, because we are SO HORRIBLE!

The reason we're PISSED is that we didn't win hardly any conference games and our OOC slate didn't help us get ready for the conference slate!

Or maybe it did help us, but the Martinez debacle was too much to overcome. Like we've stated before not all of our OOC opp were bad. Two of them went to the NCAA. On top of that, I really don't think ANYONE expected us to be in the #2 rpi league in the nation this year. I don'tthink we expected every team to be as good as they were. Makes a difference, especially when you put all three together.

 

[J-Rod]

I personally think some of the frustrations in football are slipping into other sports. If Martinez were available, he alone is worth at least 3 more wins, which would have put up UW at 23 wins minimum, obviously nothing to whine about. Depth takes time to recruit, no matter the sport. Martinez goes down, basketball takes a step back. Smith goes down, football takes a step back. Just a tough reality right now. But I do agree with kansasCowboy to an extent, this "championships are die" attitude is making for a lot of whining and bitching....one can still have success without winning championships all the time. It was not that long ago Poke fans would have killed to win 20 games regardless of circumstance. JMHO, but winning 20 games without Martinez is like going 6-6 in football without Smith, which seems highly unlikely. Was it pretty? No.....but its not worth the doom and gloom outlook either.....

 

[NowherePoke]

I tell you what, When the going gets tough, people bitch and cry about "EVERYTHING"! First the team, then the coach, then the AD, then fan support, now our arena. It's pathetic!

That is nothing unusual after bad seasons.....Hawaii was terrible in everything this year....football, basketball, baseball.....all of a sudden people are talking about dropping sports, pulling donations, firing everyone and anyone that can be found, not attending future games, its complain and bitch city. This happens when you lose.....it is hardly exclusive to Wyoming....venture over to ramnation.com......the bitching is thick and in the air over there.

The Ram farts always bitch even when they are winning!!!! Dumbest mistake those idiots made was running off Sonny Lubick. I'm glad they did but still....

Didn't we just have 20 wins. Thats the exact amount we had in Schroyers last two years. Can I see this being a disappointing season? Yes. But, no one is talking about a disappointing season, They are talking like we won less than 10 wins. Get over your petty crap people. We just went 20-14. Next thing I know, we'll go 23-10 next year and everyone will freak when we make the NIT, because we are SO HORRIBLE!

We went 4-12 in the MWC and played in the pigtail game. That should be considered horrible. How is that not a horrible season? Nobody around the region cares that we beat CS-Bakersfield twice or Northern Colorado. The CU win was a quality OOC win and a great home game. Other than that, the OOC didn't really mean much. What matters is how you play against your conference peers. The goal is conference championships and NCAA tournament berths. Obviously those won't be every year occurrences, but 8th out 9 should never be celebrated.

It's still better than Schroyer of course, but that's a ridiculously low bar. Joby Wrong, Benny Dees, and Steve McClain all had some poor seasons, but none of them ever had a .250 conference winning percentage (McClain was close with a 4-10 season in 03-04, which was really infuriating coming off recent success when we should have been able to recruit at a decent level, but I digress).

I am not trying to say that Shyatt isn't a good coach or that he should be fired or some such nonsense. Just pointing out that it was a poor season and we shouldn't be happy about it. There were some things that happened beyond Shyatt's control (Martinez and the injuries to Nance and Washington) that hurt of course, but that stuff happens. Ugo got hurt at the beginning of McClain's 2nd season fresh off a 20ppg average as a sophomore and we had to play Josh Davis at the 5. That team still had a decent, but not great season (8-6, 19-12 or something I think). Of course, there is the Marcus Bailey season (team still finished 3rd in the MWC even though Bailey was lost before the conference season started). That's part of college hoops and sports in general.

The concern frankly is that Shyatt's recruits have not panned out at a high level yet (Nance being the exception). Shyatt immediately took Schroyer's team minus the best players and doubled the win total. Obviously he can coach. But in the end, players win games, and you have to have the talent. McClain didn't forget how to coach between 01-02 (first in the MWC) and 03-04 (last in the MWC), he lost the talent.

 

[NowherePoke]

I personally think some of the frustrations in football are slipping into other sports. If Martinez were available, he alone is worth at least 3 more wins, which would have put up UW at 23 wins minimum, obviously nothing to whine about. Depth takes time to recruit, no matter the sport. Martinez goes down, basketball takes a step back. Smith goes down, football takes a step back. Just a tough reality right now. But I do agree with kansasCowboy to an extent, this "championships are die" attitude is making for a lot of whining and bitching....one can still have success without winning championships all the time. It was not that long ago Poke fans would have killed to win 20 games regardless of circumstance. JMHO, but winning 20 games without Martinez is like going 6-6 in football without Smith, which seems highly unlikely. Was it pretty? No.....but its not worth the doom and gloom outlook either.....

We didn't win 20 without Luke though. We won 8 (8-14 overall without him) and only two of those were against teams with winning records (SDSU and Lehigh). Some of those games were also played without Nance or Washington, or some combo of those two not at 100% which didn't help.

ETA: You are correct about football though. If one sport was doing particularly well, the losses in the other can be stomached much easier.

 

[Wyokie]

I personally think some of the frustrations in football are slipping into other sports. If Martinez were available, he alone is worth at least 3 more wins, which would have put up UW at 23 wins minimum, obviously nothing to whine about. Depth takes time to recruit, no matter the sport. Martinez goes down, basketball takes a step back. Smith goes down, football takes a step back. Just a tough reality right now. But I do agree with kansasCowboy to an extent, this "championships are die" attitude is making for a lot of whining and bitching....one can still have success without winning championships all the time. It was not that long ago Poke fans would have killed to win 20 games regardless of circumstance. JMHO, but winning 20 games without Martinez is like going 6-6 in football without Smith, which seems highly unlikely. Was it pretty? No.....but its not worth the doom and gloom outlook either.....

You can't brag if you can't win championships. I WANT Championships. Not chicken shit!!!!

 

[J-Rod]

You can't brag if you can't win championships. I WANT Championships. Not chicken shit!!!!

:roll: The way you complain sometimes, you would think Wyoming was Alabama in football and Duke in basketball.

 

[Wyokie]

You can't brag if you can't win championships. I WANT Championships. Not chicken shit!!!!

:roll: The way you complain sometimes, you would think Wyoming was Alabama in football and Duke in basketball.

So? What's the problem with that?

 

[CowboyNV]

There were some things that happened beyond Shyatt's control (Martinez and the injuries to Nance and Washington)

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Sorry, I don't buy the Martinez debacle being out of Shyatt's control. He's the coach and he could have had a curfew on those 3 guys. Instead of being at the bar at 2:30AM, they could have been tucked in their beds asleep. Most of the major, successful programs have curfews. For those that say you can't tell a 21 year old kid what to do, I say bull shit. You want to play for UW and get your education for free? You play by the rules or play for someone else (and don't tell me they won't come to Laramie to play as an 18 year old because when they hit 21 they won't be able to drink). Duke actually hires private security firms to enforce their curfew. Why the hell were those 3 kids in a bar on December 30, when they had a game coming up on January 2?

So yes, I lay the fact that those 3 kids were in the bar directly at the feet of the head coach. I like Shyatt, but he has to control these kids or this kind of stuff will happen again, and again, and again.

 

[BeaverPoke]

There were some things that happened beyond Shyatt's control (Martinez and the injuries to Nance and Washington)

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Sorry, I don't buy the Martinez debacle being out of Shyatt's control. He's the coach and he could have had a curfew on those 3 guys. Instead of being at the bar at 2:30AM, they could have been tucked in their beds asleep. Most of the major, successful programs have curfews. For those that say you can't tell a 21 year old kid what to do, I say bull shit. You want to play for UW and get your education for free? You play by the rules or play for someone else (and don't tell me they won't come to Laramie to play as an 18 year old because when they hit 21 they won't be able to drink). Duke actually hires private security firms to enforce their curfew. Why the hell were those 3 kids in a bar on December 30, when they had a game coming up on January 2?

So yes, I lay the fact that those 3 kids were in the bar directly at the feet of the head coach. I like Shyatt, but he has to control these kids or this kind of stuff will happen again, and again, and again.

Major programs have curfews and rules sure but let's look at a major program like Florida football....how many of those players get in trouble? Johnny football at Texas a&m. Lsu qb a few years ago.
The fact is that these are all young kids, who do dumb things anyways, then they have everyone boosting their egos. These kids are always gonna get in trouble.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I now see that no matter how bad the team is, everybody will point to Schroyer as the bar and say, "see we aren't that bad." Basically, we have to lose every game to have what qualifies as a "bad" season. Noted.

As long as we keep celebrating a 4-12 conference record that resulted in eighth place in the conference and a second round loss in the CBI, we will never achieve anything. But I guess in today's society, where every kid gets a trophy for wearing nice socks, it is to be expected.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I now see that no matter how bad the team is, everybody will point to Schroyer as the bar and say, "see we aren't that bad." Basically, we have to lose every game to have what qualifies as a "bad" season. Noted.

As long as we keep celebrating a 4-12 conference record that resulted in eighth place in the conference and a second round loss in the CBI, we will never achieve anything. But I guess in today's society, where every kid gets a trophy for wearing nice socks, it is to be expected.

It's not that we look back to the schroyer days as an excuse but some of us realize that we are only in YEAR 2! Year 2, not 5.
Give it some friggin time.
And remember that all our talent from schroyers team left.
I don't get how so many people are so angry and ready to start blaming everything on shyatt. Let him recruit and get some talent.
Or we could just fire him and we can start all over.

 

[Aaron]

Why all the shock Adams didn't make a free throw? Unless he is dunking he can't make a basket.

You mean like all those jumpshots he hits?

Those don't count...

 

[kansasCowboy]

There is a difference between a good season and a great season. There is also a difference between a good season and a disappointing season. And there is also a difference between a bad season and and a disappointing season. And don't forget a decent season

1943: 31-2 Nat Champs... GREAT season
1951: 28-7 NCAA 2nd RD... Great season
1986: 24-10 NCAA 3rd RD... Good season
1985: 24-12 NIT Runner... Good season
1986: 26-6 NCAA 1st RD... Good season
2001: 22-9 NCAA 2nd RD... Good season
2002: 21-11 NIT 2nd RD... Good season
2008: 19-14 CBI 1st RD... Disappointing season
2011: 21-12 CBI 2nd RD... Decent season
2012: 20-14 CBI 2nd RD... Disappointing season
2009: 10-21 None.......... BAD Season
2010: 10-21 None.......... BAD Season

Everyone else perspective...As it seems.

1943: 31-2 Great season
1986: 26-6 Great season
2001: 22-9 Great season
2008: 19-14 BAD Season
2009: 10-21 BAD Season
2010: 10-21 BAD Season
2011: 21-12 "Ehh" season
2012: 20-14 BAD Season.
Get over yourselves and "expect some growing pains as we build. It's not always Great and Bad.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Or maybe it did help us, but the Martinez debacle was too much to overcome. Like we've stated before not all of our OOC opp were bad. Two of them went to the NCAA. On top of that, I really don't think ANYONE expected us to be in the #2 rpi league in the nation this year. I don'tthink we expected every team to be as good as they were. Makes a difference, especially when you put all three together.

Besides losing our top scorer, shooter, and perimeter defesive player, we also lost one of the team leaders. Some people suggest we should have overcome the Martinez debacle. But, when a team has a lack of depth, due to attrition, and building from the ground upu with high schoolers, a loss like that is tough to overcome. Say what you will, but with Luke we'd be above .500 in conference and talking about how we did or are doing in the tourney. Our closest game with him was an 8 point win against Colorado.

The best thing to come out of the Martinez debacle was the ability for some of our younger guys to get some PT.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think that if we have Martinez all season we end up winning a lot more games....
to me, we beat Boise, both times. We beat New Mexico at home. We don't lose to Fresno in Fresno, because to me the team didn't care about hoops considering they found out Luke was going to prison. JMHO. We beat AFA once if not both times.
And at that point, we have something to play for, and don't lose to CSU at home at the end of the season. We don't throw in the towel.

But then again, if we had Brett Smith stay healthy, we beat Toledo, we beat Cal Poly, we beat AFA, and we beat Nevada.

So we are 1 Luke Martinez away from being a 25 win team, and 1 Brett Smith away from being 8-4.

But the fact remains that it didn't happen.

People dwelling and harping on what our record could have been with Luke is the same as me dwelling on our record if we had Brett Smith during those games.

It didn't happen, time to move on. At least our young guys got lots of time. Think about how much better Adams is gonna be after starting an entire season when he should have been on the bench.