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[joshvanklomp]

As the team gets better, the quality of recruits will get better. Things don't change overnight.

Brian Hill was one of those seen as a NDSU-level recruit. Would you rather we didn't sign him?

Most of the players on the roster are NDSU level recruits. Nothings changed.

And clearly since it hasn't changed in one year, it means it will never change. Might as well get it over with and just fire Bohl tomorrow, am I right?

 

[joshvanklomp]

I'm all for setting the bar high, just don't beat Bohl over the head with these expectations if things go awry.

There's a big difference between hopes and expectations.

I don't think anyone is expecting anything too unattainable. It's not like we're saying "BCS game or bust" this season.

 

[seattlecowboy]

If we are going by the star rankings then this 2015 class Wyoming signed is far above anything NDSU ever has done recruiting wise so not sure where some of you are getting your info? :lol:

Of course the teams Wyoming plays week in and week out are better but Bohl seems to be a great developer of talent so everything should equate in my estimation. I would think we go to a bowl game this year and next year we are competing for the MWC title.

Bohl is already on record saying it takes 3 years to turn around the program if my memory is correct. If things don't turnout that way then we will see if it can be done by the 4th year. If it isn't done by that time then we have a problem and nothing will ever get us out of the hole .

My guess is we will be just fine and the team might even surprise some of you this year a little bit. :thumb:

I hope so! The issues on defense I referenced earlier have me worried that another frustrating season might be ahead. I'm all for setting the bar high, just don't beat Bohl over the head with these expectations if things go awry. And make no mistake about it, starting four freshman in the secondary and having inexperienced/undersized players all over the defense would be a solid excuse for struggles.

All it takes is an injury or two...

I agree with you. I actually think the defense will be a little bit better than last year just because it couldn't be any worse honestly and being in the 2nd year of the schemes will help a lot.

The offense will be a lot better this year than last. I am not expecting us to compete for the MWC title this year by any means but we will have a good shot to get a bowl game.

 

[J-Rod]

I agree with you. I actually think the defense will be a little bit better than last year jsut because it couldn't be any worse honestly and being in the 2nd year of the schemes will help a lot.

Haha c'mon seattlecowboy, you've posted here as long as I have....we say this every single off-season.

*2014 off-season*

"We have a lot of veteran talent on defense. I think we'll be much better than last season, it certainly can't get any worse..."

*A few mid-season significant injuries to a few starters later...*

*Senior Night 2014*

"Hooooooly shit. That escalated quickly" :lol:

I hope I'm wrong, but my expectations for this awfully young defense (I dare someone to find me one younger in FBS) are tempered.

 

[PokeOLoco]

We have recruited much better than NDSU has the last 5 years, but they have gotten umteen more production out of their players. So hopefully we can duplicate that at our level. Bohl obviously thinks he can, and is part of his system. I like that we're getting more rural kids.

 

[seattlecowboy]

I agree with you. I actually think the defense will be a little bit better than last year jsut because it couldn't be any worse honestly and being in the 2nd year of the schemes will help a lot.

Haha c'mon seattlecowboy, you've posted here as long as I have....we say this every single off-season.

*2014 off-season*

"We have a lot of veteran talent on defense. I think we'll be much better than last season, it certainly can't get any worse..."

*A few mid-season significant injuries to a few starters later...*

*Senior Night 2014*

"Hooooooly shit. That escalated quickly" :lol:

I hope I'm wrong, but my expectations for this awfully young defense (I dare someone to find me one younger in FBS) are tempered.

True :lol:

I guess I see Bohl as more of a defensive minded coach though than DC ever was. So I guess that is where I get a little bit of hope from. :thumb:

 

[seattlecowboy]

We have recruited much better than NDSU has the last 5 years, but they have gotten umteen more production out of their players. So hopefully we can duplicate that at our level. Bohl obviously thinks he can, and is part of his system. I like that we're getting more rural kids.

Not that star value or rankings mean squat BUT when was the last time Wyoming had 9 recruits with 3 stars next to their name? I don't ever remember that happening actually.

Bohl took all of those kids he recruited at NDSU and turned them into winners so I think getting what are "perceived" (obviously never know) to be better recruits at Wyoming should translate into something positive. If he won the national championship 3 straight years at NDSU with those recruits (not that they were bad by any means) , shouldn't he also be able to win a conference championship in the MWC with what are perceived to be better recruits? It isn't like we are trying to win the national championship.

Just me thinking out loud about it and how it should translate.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

We have recruited much better than NDSU has the last 5 years, but they have gotten umteen more production out of their players. So hopefully we can duplicate that at our level. Bohl obviously thinks he can, and is part of his system. I like that we're getting more rural kids.

Not that star value or rankings mean squat BUT when was the last time Wyoming had 9 recruits with 3 stars next to their name? I don't ever remember that happening actually.

Bohl took all of those kids he recruited at NDSU and turned them into winners so I think getting what are "perceived" (obviously never know) to be better recruits at Wyoming should translate into something positive. If he won the national championship 3 straight years at NDSU with those recruits (not that they were bad by any means) , shouldn't he also be able to win a conference championship in the MWC with what are perceived to be better recruits? It isn't like we are trying to win the national championship.

Just me thinking out loud about it and how it should translate.

This is the train of thought that I tend to lean towards...He has already gotten higher "valued" or "ranked" players than we've had in years, maybe ever. Hes proven his on the field methods work. We just need to give him time. He WILL turn this program around. Hes too good not to. It took Shyatt 4 years to get basketball headed in the right direction, Bohl will do the same. We can all be excited and HOPE for a huge season but cant bitch when its another rough one, myself included.

Either way, LETS GO POKES!!!

 

[cowboyz]

Recruiting looks very similiar. Not that you can't compete in the Mountain West with those kids.

Bohl's getting better recruits and more of them then he got at NDS. We have a pretty strong looking class coming in, we'll win more games than last season, and I feel we'll be challenging for the conference by 2016 or 2017.

 

[J-Rod]

The commitments from Johnson, Murphy, Doddles, and maybe Milo Hall suggest Bohl can find MW caliber talent, but it isn't a trend quite yet. The top of the MW are putting together classes of 20-25 Johnson's and Doddles', and some are finding players that blow those types of talents away.

Recruiting is everything, and Bohl IS improving that, but to this point the talent level he's acquired is mid-tier MW at best.

The top brass of the MW are beating Pac-12 schools for recruits. When we start doing that, I'll claim we have a strong class coming in. Until then...development development development.

 

[JimmyDimes]

It is impossible to determine how a player is going to play prior to having them suiting up. Recruiting rankings are highly subjective. If we all went by star rankings and the suggestion that the top MWC team have 20-25 guys better than a 2* Brian Hill in each class, then what's the point of playing. It's fun to see how players develop and who steps up when they strap on the helmet. IMO, player development is as important as recruiting if not more so. That and having a good eye for the under the radar guys.

 

[joshvanklomp]

The commitments from Johnson, Murphy, Doddles, and maybe Milo Hall suggest Bohl can find MW caliber talent, but it isn't a trend quite yet. The top of the MW are putting together classes of 20-25 Johnson's and Doddles', and some are finding players that blow those types of talents away.

The top of the MW is not finding 20-25 3-star guys. In 2015, Boise brought in 13 guys ranked 3-stars or better in 2015 class. That's the most in the conference.

 

[J-Rod]

The top of the MW is not finding 20-25 3-star guys. In 2015, Boise brought in 13 guys ranked 3-stars or better in 2015 class. That's the most in the conference.

Depends which site you look at. The top is still recruiting at a different level. Not all 3-star prospects are equal.

Speaking of the devil...this literally just happened right now. A player ranked in the Top 10 at his position commits to BSU.

http://sports.yahoo.com/usc/football/recruiting/player-Damarea-Crockett-165420" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This kid's SPARQ rating puts him in the Top 10 nationally in overall athleticism. Same rating system used for Olympic athletes. But recruiting rankings don't matter so I'm sure he's a bum.

 

[laxwyo]

I sure as hell would want to bank my job on 3* and 4* recruits as opposed to 2*.

BSU some how snakes some really top talent away from big schools. I'd be happy with landing the top Wyoming prospect first before expecting some kind of revolution.

 

[J-Rod]

I sure as hell would want to bank my job on 3* and 4* recruits as opposed to 2*.

BSU some how snakes some really top talent away from big schools. I'd be happy with landing the top Wyoming prospect first before expecting some kind of revolution.

Right? Recruiting rankings sure would matter if kids like that committed to Wyoming. That kid is a freak.

Maybe I'm delusional, but I think Bohl gets one (a 4-Star recruit) eventually. Every kid values things differently....find one that values loyalty and being wanted and latch on early....like BSU did with that kid.

 

[stymeman]

NDSU could beat us on a weekly basis, sorry

 

[ragtimejoe1]

We've had over 15 years of being nothing more than a laughingstock. Nationally, we are the equivalent of Sun Belt, FCS, etc. Combine that with a declining (relative to peers) recruiting budget in the allegedly the hardest place to recruit to and Bohl's job is a tough.

Under the circumstances, he is doing well. I also believe he is getting some under-the-radar guys that he can develop. At this point, I'm not the least bit concerned with recruiting.

Any coach that will rely on a large number of 3 and 4 star recruits to turn this program around will fail.

 

[WYCowboy]

This is only Bohl's 2nd year and here is why getting to the top will take time. To get the top recruits, you have to win. Until we are putting up big win numbers, you recruit the best athletes with the best attitudes you can and then develop them to play to their highest level. This is where a quality coaching staff is essential. When you start winning, you get better recruits and when you get better recruits, you win more often. It isn't always a steady upward movement, but it sure is easier if you can offer a high enough salary to assistants to attract top quality assistants with the right attitude and motivation that the recruits want to work hard for.

 

[laxwyo]

4 of 6 verbals for CSU are 3* according to rivals and we have one 2* and unranked others.

I'm not saying bohl is doing a bad job. Seems like he's doing pretty good. We'll see how year two goes. Maybe we'll see sophomores on the rise breakout freshmen. If you look back, I think more of our 3* recruits have been busts than starters.

All I'm saying is if I had to bet my job, give me a team of 3* kids

 

[McPeachy]

4 of 6 verbals for CSU are 3* according to rivals and we have one 2* and unranked others.

I'm not saying bohl is doing a bad job. Seems like he's doing pretty good. We'll see how year two goes. Maybe we'll see sophomores on the rise breakout freshmen. If you look back, I think more of our 3* recruits have been busts than starters.

All I'm saying is if I had to bet my job, give me a team of 3* kids

Didn't know that about CSewe - but I am not a believer in the rivals star rankings being the end-all be-all. It comes down to development and desire more than anything. I think Bohl knows that as well, and after 5 or 6 years, if given the time, he may make it. I'm not sure we will be MWC championship contenders this year, next year, or the year after, or maybe even the year after that...but again, I think this is a 6 year project.