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joshvanklomp
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As the team gets better, the quality of recruits will get better. Things don't change overnight.
Brian Hill was one of those seen as a NDSU-level recruit. Would you rather we didn't sign him?
Brian Hill was one of those seen as a NDSU-level recruit. Would you rather we didn't sign him?
ragtimejoe1
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The MWC isn't a very talented league overall, so player development will get you a ways in this conference. Obviously to be the juggernaut I'd like us to be, recruiting will need to step up. However, I think Bohl and company will do well with these kids. First step is to shed this culture of losing--no small job (ask VK, JG, and DC).
JimmyDimes
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At least all our commits have multiple offers. Some MWC teams have commits from 3* guys without any other offers. Is that better or a result of a highly subjective recruit ranking processes? A couple guys with D1 offers too. Not bad considering 4 of the guys don't have any * rankings.
I think Bohl is building NDSU on steroids. The level of recruit is slightly better than NSDSU while he was there and that will only improve with time, consistency, and success.
Go Pokes!!
I think Bohl is building NDSU on steroids. The level of recruit is slightly better than NSDSU while he was there and that will only improve with time, consistency, and success.
Go Pokes!!
seattlecowboy
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From looking at the over all recruits to me it looks like he is recruiting better players here actually.
From looking at NDSU recruiting class in 2012 from what I pulled up which would have been Bohl's last full year recruiting there after they had won a national championship since he took the Wyoming job in December of 2013.... NDSU looks like it had recruited 3 guys with 2 stars next to their name and the rest with no stars. Obviously they can't recruit as many players because of the rules between divisions but compare that to this Wyoming class he just signed.
There are at least 9 guys that were rated 3 stars by one of the services and everyone else listed has 2 stars. Obviously recruiting is subjective and you never know how someone will turn out but Bohl also is good at developing players. So I think he is far ahead with "better" players coming into college then where he was at NDSU.
Guess time will tell though.
From looking at NDSU recruiting class in 2012 from what I pulled up which would have been Bohl's last full year recruiting there after they had won a national championship since he took the Wyoming job in December of 2013.... NDSU looks like it had recruited 3 guys with 2 stars next to their name and the rest with no stars. Obviously they can't recruit as many players because of the rules between divisions but compare that to this Wyoming class he just signed.
There are at least 9 guys that were rated 3 stars by one of the services and everyone else listed has 2 stars. Obviously recruiting is subjective and you never know how someone will turn out but Bohl also is good at developing players. So I think he is far ahead with "better" players coming into college then where he was at NDSU.
Guess time will tell though.
J-Rod
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We went into this knowing Bohl would have to be a developmental giant to achieve his lofty goals. Recruiting has been a mixed bag of impressive gets (Hill, Johnson, Murphy) and lots of recruits that are not FBS caliber. Time will tell if Bohl can develop those guys into starting caliber players. It's not a question that can be answered one way or another right this moment.
For example, you want a great barometer for Bohl's developmental recruiting? Watch the secondary this year. As of the latest depth chart, EVERY single secondary starting spot is filled by a RS Freshman. Everyone one of them. LCB, SS, FS, RCB...all RS Freshman. And outside of RCB where Sr. Finley is listed as a backup, even the backups are very young.
If Bohl is the developmental genius we hope he is, that secondary spot should surprise some. Cause typically, starting that many freshman in one secondary with that little amount of experience is complete suicide. I'll have a close eye on that group. College football logic says that group should be completely annihilated this year, but Bohl wouldn't throw this lineup out there if he wasn't confident in them. I'm curious to see them sink or swim.
The LB corps is looking green too. Really, when you look at the facts of the depth chart, we're insanely young and inexperienced, and arguably under-sized. Bohl is experimenting. I love him for not taking the easy way out and going the JC route....but whooooa man, this is a gamble. Make no mistake about it, there is the potential for this defense to be all-time bad for Wyoming. That level of inexperience, youth, lack of depth, and size is a recipe for chaos for most teams.
Time will tell if Bohl's boys are "most teams" or not.
For example, you want a great barometer for Bohl's developmental recruiting? Watch the secondary this year. As of the latest depth chart, EVERY single secondary starting spot is filled by a RS Freshman. Everyone one of them. LCB, SS, FS, RCB...all RS Freshman. And outside of RCB where Sr. Finley is listed as a backup, even the backups are very young.
If Bohl is the developmental genius we hope he is, that secondary spot should surprise some. Cause typically, starting that many freshman in one secondary with that little amount of experience is complete suicide. I'll have a close eye on that group. College football logic says that group should be completely annihilated this year, but Bohl wouldn't throw this lineup out there if he wasn't confident in them. I'm curious to see them sink or swim.
The LB corps is looking green too. Really, when you look at the facts of the depth chart, we're insanely young and inexperienced, and arguably under-sized. Bohl is experimenting. I love him for not taking the easy way out and going the JC route....but whooooa man, this is a gamble. Make no mistake about it, there is the potential for this defense to be all-time bad for Wyoming. That level of inexperience, youth, lack of depth, and size is a recipe for chaos for most teams.
Time will tell if Bohl's boys are "most teams" or not.
JimmyDimes
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While we do have some inexperienced players at LB, we also have some very good athletes. Nzoecha is just as athletic as his older bro. Wacha is already proven. DJ May could be a surprise here. Muhammad, if he gets healthy, adds size and experience. Tuetin played well as a bigger safety....now he will be a smallish LB. But with decent speed.
The Dline should be solid and the backfield should be decent. We have former starters now backing up. And the previous starters weren't bad....Finely and Reese.
And, in year 2 of Bohl....the teams have to be tougher than they were in year #1.
I don't think this will be any where near the worst defense ever.....not even in the conversation.
Go Pokes!
The Dline should be solid and the backfield should be decent. We have former starters now backing up. And the previous starters weren't bad....Finely and Reese.
And, in year 2 of Bohl....the teams have to be tougher than they were in year #1.
I don't think this will be any where near the worst defense ever.....not even in the conversation.
Go Pokes!
Cowduck
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Based on my unscientific methods (ie, looking at where players commit when Holmgren tweets "had a Wyoming offer") I'd say we're on the right track in terms of who we are recruiting. It appears to me that most of the players we are losing out on are committing to mid/lower tier Power 5 schools and Boise State. So I'd say we're aiming a bit higher than in the past and just not sealing the deal. I trust the staff is targeting the right group of players, and if we get some who also fit NDSU's profile in the process then I'll take that. We'll start getting some of the next tier of players as results come on the field.
BeaverPoke
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laxwyo said:
Like when DC offered Johnny Manziel.
The D backfield will have 2 games to get their act together before they get sorely tested by WSU's passing attack, which should be really good, again. WSU has 2 all - PAC caliber wideouts, and as usual a kid with a cannon to get the ball to them. Our Dline will have to play very well, not just be the best part of the defense. If we can pressure the qb, and our offense can play ball control, the odds aren't too bad for us against the Cougs. Win or lose this one, if we can correct the weaknesses that this game exposes, we could have a fairly good year.
As much as I hate losing, I really just want to see competitive football, and steady improvement thruout the season.
As much as I hate losing, I really just want to see competitive football, and steady improvement thruout the season.
JimmyDimes
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What exactly is a NDSU level recruit? I'm curious to see what the difference is between a NDSU level and a MWC level recruit.mwc fan said:
seattlecowboy
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If we are going by the star rankings then this 2015 class Wyoming signed is far above anything NDSU ever has done recruiting wise so not sure where some of you are getting your info? :lol:
Of course the teams Wyoming plays week in and week out are better but Bohl seems to be a great developer of talent so everything should equate in my estimation. I would think we go to a bowl game this year and next year we are competing for the MWC title.
Bohl is already on record saying it takes 3 years to turn around the program if my memory is correct. If things don't turnout that way then we will see if it can be done by the 4th year. If it isn't done by that time then we have a problem and nothing will ever get us out of the hole .
My guess is we will be just fine and the team might even surprise some of you this year a little bit. :thumb:
Of course the teams Wyoming plays week in and week out are better but Bohl seems to be a great developer of talent so everything should equate in my estimation. I would think we go to a bowl game this year and next year we are competing for the MWC title.
Bohl is already on record saying it takes 3 years to turn around the program if my memory is correct. If things don't turnout that way then we will see if it can be done by the 4th year. If it isn't done by that time then we have a problem and nothing will ever get us out of the hole .
My guess is we will be just fine and the team might even surprise some of you this year a little bit. :thumb:
J-Rod
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I hope so! The issues on defense I referenced earlier have me worried that another frustrating season might be ahead. I'm all for setting the bar high, just don't beat Bohl over the head with these expectations if things go awry. And make no mistake about it, starting four freshman in the secondary and having inexperienced/undersized players all over the defense would be a solid excuse for struggles.seattlecowboy said:
All it takes is an injury or two...
