We got jobbed in Wichita. Technical error.

[okcwyocowboy]

With Wyoming inbounding, the refs call deadball double technicals, one on each team. So theoretically both teams shoot their technical free throws and we pick up where we left off with Wyoming imbounding but NOOOOO....after both teams shoot their free throws they actually fucking gave the ball to the shockers. We shouldve had the ball down 3 with 13.5 seconds left. Pokes got jobbed.

 

[PorkerPoke]

With Wyoming inbounding, the refs call deadball double technicals, one on each team. So theoretically both teams shoot their technical free throws and we pick up where we left off with Wyoming imbounding but NOOOOO....after both teams shoot their free throws they actually fucking gave the ball to the shockers. We shouldve had the ball down 3 with 13.5 seconds left. Pokes got jobbed.

The call was:

Flagrant 1 on Wichita.

Dead ball technical on Wyoming.

The flagrant 1 normally gives 2 FT’s and possession to the opponent. We got the 2 FT’s but because our possession would have resumed play after a dead ball, that’s where the technical becomes the last play.

In this case we lost the possession because on our “possession” we were penalized for the technical foul. The retaliation followed the flagrant 1 with the technical foul which then awarded Wichita 2 free throws and possession.

It was a bit frustrating to see us get as many calls as we did the entire game but we must be doing the fouling to some extent because it’s been that way the entire MWC season.

 

[PorkerPoke]

With Wyoming inbounding, the refs call deadball double technicals, one on each team. So theoretically both teams shoot their technical free throws and we pick up where we left off with Wyoming imbounding but NOOOOO....after both teams shoot their free throws they actually fucking gave the ball to the shockers. We shouldve had the ball down 3 with 13.5 seconds left. Pokes got jobbed.

The call was:

Flagrant 1 on Wichita.

Dead ball technical on Wyoming.

The flagrant 1 normally gives 2 FT’s and possession to the opponent. We got the 2 FT’s but because our possession would have resumed play after a dead ball, that’s where the technical becomes the last play.

In this case we lost the possession because on our “possession” we were penalized for the technical foul. The retaliation followed the flagrant 1 with the technical foul which then awarded Wichita 2 free throws and possession.

It was a bit frustrating to see us get as many calls as we did the entire game but we must be doing the fouling to some extent because it’s been that way the entire MWC season.

 

[okcwyocowboy]

The call was:

Flagrant 1 on Wichita.

Dead ball technical on Wyoming.

The flagrant 1 normally gives 2 FT’s and possession to the opponent. We got the 2 FT’s but because our possession would have resumed play after a dead ball, that’s where the technical becomes the last play.

In this case we lost the possession because on our “possession” we were penalized for the technical foul. The retaliation followed the flagrant 1 with the technical foul which then awarded Wichita 2 free throws and possession.

It was a bit frustrating to see us get as many calls as we did the entire game but we must be doing the fouling to some extent because it’s been that way the entire MWC season.

it's absolute bullshit that we lose possession.

 

[TheRealUW]

it's absolute bullshit that we lose possession.

Yeah, that's a bad rule that needs changed. Sounds like the refs got it right based on the current rule though.

However, we lost that game because of poor free throw shooting and bad rebounding. That was really the story all season long. We would do most things pretty well and a couple things very poorly, and those thing would cost us in close games. One night we would be a turnover machine, the next night we would only hit 50% of our free throws, another night we couldn't play team defense to save our lives, some nights we couldn't make buy a three pointer. It just always seemed like there was something that went wrong that was just enough to put us on the losing side of things.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Yeah, that's a bad rule that needs changed. Sounds like the refs got it right based on the current rule though.

However, we lost that game because of poor free throw shooting and bad rebounding. That was really the story all season long. We would do most things pretty well and a couple things very poorly, and those thing would cost us in close games. One night we would be a turnover machine, the next night we would only hit 50% of our free throws, another night we couldn't play team defense to save our lives, some nights we couldn't make buy a three pointer. It just always seemed like there was something that went wrong that was just enough to put us on the losing side of things.

How about Dennis be smart enough not to react to the flagrant foul?! He had two boneheaded plays down the stretch that really cost us. He played great otherwise but those mental mistakes were huge.

 

[PAPoke]

Let's not be that fanbase that blames the refs for losing a very winnable game. This post stinks.

 

[Bryoming]

The refs weren't great, but the reason we lost this game is because we got our asses kicked in every facet of the game. The fact that it was as close as it was shows how mentally tough this team is. For reference, I think we can all agree that the road game at Utah State was by far the worst showing of the season. Here's a comparison with last night:

@Utah State / @Wichita State
FG%: 35 / 38
Opponent FG%: 55 / 43
3Pt%: 25 / 36
Opponent 3Pt%: 38 / 28
FT%: 67 / 50
Opponent FT%: 71 / 57
Rebounding margin: 0 / -19
Turnovers: 13 / 10

The biggest black eye for this team this year is their inability to win a road game. We played 14 true road games this year. We won 3 (AF, GCU, SJSU). That's a big problem.

 

[cowpoke pride]

Yeah....it was getting destroyed on the glass and missing free throws.

 

[rocket city poke]

The refs weren't great, but the reason we lost this game is because we got our asses kicked in every facet of the game. The fact that it was as close as it was shows how mentally tough this team is. For reference, I think we can all agree that the road game at Utah State was by far the worst showing of the season. Here's a comparison with last night:

@Utah State / @Wichita State
FG%: 35 / 38
Opponent FG%: 55 / 43
3Pt%: 25 / 36
Opponent 3Pt%: 38 / 28
FT%: 67 / 50
Opponent FT%: 71 / 57
Rebounding margin: 0 / -19
Turnovers: 13 / 10

The biggest black eye for this team this year is their inability to win a road game. We played 14 true road games this year. We won 3 (AF, GCU, SJSU). That's a big problem.

Really Grand Canyon was the only tough environment they actually won on the road in. SJSU is almost a neutral site with the lack of intensity and Air Force was just bad. It will be very interesting to see if they can get some of these guys to stick around. There is more money now through the appropriation from the legislature so there really aren't ANY excuses.

 

[Bryoming]

Really Grand Canyon was the only tough environment they actually won on the road in. SJSU is almost a neutral site with the lack of intensity and Air Force was just bad. It will be very interesting to see if they can get some of these guys to stick around. There is more money now through the appropriation from the legislature so there really aren't ANY excuses.

The only way we lose players is if they get a bag from another school or if they're told they won't play much and are encouraged to transfer.

Players in the first pool are Gores, Meyer, Dennis, Bennett, and Harris. Magassa would be a player in the latter.

 

[okcwyocowboy]

Yeah, that's a bad rule that needs changed. Sounds like the refs got it right based on the current rule though.

However, we lost that game because of poor free throw shooting and bad rebounding. That was really the story all season long. We would do most things pretty well and a couple things very poorly, and those thing would cost us in close games. One night we would be a turnover machine, the next night we would only hit 50% of our free throws, another night we couldn't play team defense to save our lives, some nights we couldn't make buy a three pointer. It just always seemed like there was something that went wrong that was just enough to put us on the losing side of things.

Can u imagine if you have offsetting fouls in football and for some fucked up reason it includes a possession switch to the other team. Thats the stupidest fucking rule ive ever seen in 49 years.

 

[Bear Claw]

Magassa must be in Sunny’s doghouse. I didn’t see him play at all in the game. Surprising, considering he is one of the better rebounders on the team.

 

[Bryoming]

Magassa must be in Sunny’s doghouse. I didn’t see him play at all in the game. Surprising, considering he is one of the better rebounders on the team.

Magassa's role has shrunk significantly as the season has gone on. I think the main reason for that is that he is zero threat on the offensive end of the floor. He's our best post defender, but you have to have scoring to go along with that.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Magassa's role has shrunk significantly as the season has gone on. I think the main reason for that is that he is zero threat on the offensive end of the floor. He's our best post defender, but you have to have scoring to go along with that.

He can't defend without fouling is the main problem.

 

[PAPoke]

Can u imagine if you have offsetting fouls in football and for some fucked up reason it includes a possession switch to the other team. Thats the stupidest fucking rule ive ever seen in 49 years.

Lazy comparison.

In football, offsetting penalties wipe each other out because they occur during the same live-ball sequence. That’s not what happened here.

This was sequential enforcement:

• Flagrant 1 = 2 FTs + possession (dead ball)
• Then a separate dead-ball technical → 2 FTs + possession the other way

Those don’t cancel. They stack in the order of occurrence. That’s been standard basketball rules forever.

What actually happened is simple: Wyoming earned an advantage, then immediately gave it right back by doing something dumb after the whistle. That’s not a “stupid rule,” that’s a lack of discipline.

We still got the two free points from the flagrant. That’s the benefit. The possession swing only happens because of the retaliation. If you’re a halfway disciplined team, you walk away up two with the ball.

Instead, we handed momentum right back. Blaming the rule is just avoiding the obvious. The rule didn’t screw us. The team did.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Lazy comparison.

In football, offsetting penalties wipe each other out because they occur during the same live-ball sequence. That’s not what happened here.

This was sequential enforcement:

• Flagrant 1 = 2 FTs + possession (dead ball)
• Then a separate dead-ball technical → 2 FTs + possession the other way

Those don’t cancel. They stack in the order of occurrence. That’s been standard basketball rules forever.

What actually happened is simple: Wyoming earned an advantage, then immediately gave it right back by doing something dumb after the whistle. That’s not a “stupid rule,” that’s a lack of discipline.

We still got the two free points from the flagrant. That’s the benefit. The possession swing only happens because of the retaliation. If you’re a halfway disciplined team, you walk away up two with the ball.

Instead, we handed momentum right back. Blaming the rule is just avoiding the obvious. The rule didn’t screw us. The team did.

Just to point out, we were down 5 at this point. Came out of the free throw sequence down by 3. And possession to Shockers. Without the tech, we are down 3 with the ball.

 

[TheRealUW]

Lazy comparison.

In football, offsetting penalties wipe each other out because they occur during the same live-ball sequence. That’s not what happened here.

This was sequential enforcement:

• Flagrant 1 = 2 FTs + possession (dead ball)
• Then a separate dead-ball technical → 2 FTs + possession the other way

Those don’t cancel. They stack in the order of occurrence. That’s been standard basketball rules forever.

What actually happened is simple: Wyoming earned an advantage, then immediately gave it right back by doing something dumb after the whistle. That’s not a “stupid rule,” that’s a lack of discipline.

We still got the two free points from the flagrant. That’s the benefit. The possession swing only happens because of the retaliation. If you’re a halfway disciplined team, you walk away up two with the ball.

Instead, we handed momentum right back. Blaming the rule is just avoiding the obvious. The rule didn’t screw us. The team did.

Both things can be true.

It was poor discipline on our player's part for sure. I'm not denying that. But it is pretty silly that if two players commit essentially the same infraction back to back, that the second player gets a more significant penalty because their team loses possession of the ball. If anything, the instigating player should receive the more significant penalty.