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Waylee entering the portal

307bball said:
Man... This is just not the way anybody thinks anymore, and every year that goes by less and less people have this thought.
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Having visited with D1 athletes - they have said these exact words to me about those that leave and want to come back. But maybe you are right.
 
307bball said:
Man... This is just not the way anybody thinks anymore, and every year that goes by less and less people have this thought.
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Agreed. It’s hypocritical to express this notion while at the same time half of your roster is composed of transfers (most from smaller schools).
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Agreed. It’s hypocritical to express this notion while at the same time half of your roster is composed of transfers (most from smaller schools).
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I'm talking solely about players that leave UW and then ask to come back after they have left. Not about transfers generally. Transfers are essential components to building a roster. I'm just saying that for Neyor or Waylee to come back - it could/would create acrimony and hurt team chemistry.
 
Definitely 2 schools of thought.
(a) they left and came back. a message to others that the grass isn't greener; and
(b) they left and we cannot show weakness to our current group. There is no safety net if you leave.

Thinking back over my career, I was someone who thought/practiced bringing people back made a powerful statement about "grass isn't greener" to current employees. In truth, it never worked out long term. Way too many malcontents in this world.

Bottom-line, always do what is best for the organization. No hard rule. Assess on a case by case basis. Poach clients, talk smack, show disrespect...bridge burned. Make a personal decision but act professionally...no bridge burned.

I will say, it also takes a little self-reflection. As the "organization", maybe part of the transfer is your fault. Own it when necessary.
 
LawPoke said:
I'm talking solely about players that leave UW and then ask to come back after they have left. Not about transfers generally. Transfers are essential components to building a roster. I'm just saying that for Neyor or Waylee to come back - it could/would create acrimony and hurt team chemistry.
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Waylee can’t come back as he has exhausted his eligibility and shouldn’t be welcomed back given the way he convinced Sawvel to sit him while he was otherwise cleared to play (stating he was returning) so he could go sign elsewhere.

Neyor should have been welcomed back. He was given a massive NIL sum to transfer and would have been dumb not to take it. Unfortunately for him, his career at Texas was derailed by the ACL tear. He still would have been our best receiver on the roster. If he really wanted to come back and we said no, that’s a really bad decision of this coaching staff (but not surprising given the myriad of bad decisions we’ve seen since Sawvel took over).
 
Midwest Cowboy said:
Definitely 2 schools of thought.
(a) they left and came back. a message to others that the grass isn't greener; and
(b) they left and we cannot show weakness to our current group. There is no safety net if you leave.

Thinking back over my career, I was someone who thought/practiced bringing people back made a powerful statement about "grass isn't greener" to current employees. In truth, it never worked out long term. Way too many malcontents in this world.

Bottom-line, always do what is best for the organization. No hard rule. Assess on a case by case basis. Poach clients, talk smack, show disrespect...bridge burned. Make a personal decision but act professionally...no bridge burned.

I will say, it also takes a little self-reflection. As the "organization", maybe part of the transfer is your fault. Own it when necessary.
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Well stated. Every player should be evaluated based on their individual circumstances.
 
LawPoke said:
I'm talking solely about players that leave UW and then ask to come back after they have left. Not about transfers generally. Transfers are essential components to building a roster. I'm just saying that for Neyor or Waylee to come back - it could/would create acrimony and hurt team chemistry.
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I get what you are saying here, but the vibe of these teams is pretty much re-made every year...precisely because of all the transfers. No one-size-fits rule here IMO.....It's got to be on a dude by dude basis and position needs.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Neyor should have been welcomed back. He was given a massive NIL sum to transfer and would have been dumb not to take it. Unfortunately for him, his career at Texas was derailed by the ACL tear. He still would have been our best receiver on the roster.
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This. Anyone and I mean anyone who would begrudge a young man from making million+ has their head in the sand. He left to make more money or nearly as much as Bohl was making after a lifetime in the game.

He didn't leave because it was too hard, he didn't like teammates, etc. He's a great college player (I hope pro too) that had his shot at money many will never see in 15+ years of working. I'd question his intelligence for staying. Say what you want about loyalty, values, etc. but there isn't a single adult associated with UW that wouldn’t leave at the drop of the hat for 1.5 mill or whatever he got. Why hold the athletes to another standard?
 
OrediggerPoke said:
Waylee can’t come back as he has exhausted his eligibility and shouldn’t be welcomed back given the way he convinced Sawvel to sit him while he was otherwise cleared to play (stating he was returning) so he could go sign elsewhere.

Neyor should have been welcomed back. He was given a massive NIL sum to transfer and would have been dumb not to take it. Unfortunately for him, his career at Texas was derailed by the ACL tear. He still would have been our best receiver on the roster. If he really wanted to come back and we said no, that’s a really bad decision of this coaching staff (but not surprising given the myriad of bad decisions we’ve seen since Sawvel took over).
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Per the podcast episode I referenced earlier, Mike Grant told Neyor that had he stayed in Laramie he would have been in the NFL after his junior year. Instead he bounced around, never saw the field, and got cut in the preseason after being undrafted.
 
Bryoming said:
Per the podcast episode I referenced earlier, Mike Grant told Neyor that had he stayed in Laramie he would have been in the NFL after his junior year. Instead he bounced around, never saw the field, and got cut in the preseason after being undrafted.
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He tore his ACL during fall camp with Texas and was clearly not the same athletic player after the injury. He also was then surpassed by Xavier Worthy and Texas’ talented receiver stable. He did go to Nebraska and had moderate success as likely their best receiver leading the team in receiving TDs. “Never saw the field” is not telling the truth in my view. But Let’s be realistic, staying to develop under Mike Grant was not some key to NFL success that Neyor passed up.
 
Bryoming said:
Per the podcast episode I referenced earlier, Mike Grant told Neyor that had he stayed in Laramie he would have been in the NFL after his junior year. Instead he bounced around, never saw the field, and got cut in the preseason after being undrafted.
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I suspect that had a lot more to do with his ACL tear than it did with him leaving Laramie.

Unless Mike Grant can somehow guarantee that he wouldn’t have torn his ACL playing for UW. Then Mike Grant might be right.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
This. Anyone and I mean anyone who would begrudge a young man from making million+ has their head in the sand. He left to make more money or nearly as much as Bohl was making after a lifetime in the game.

He didn't leave because it was too hard, he didn't like teammates, etc. He's a great college player (I hope pro too) that had his shot at money many will never see in 15+ years of working. I'd question his intelligence for staying. Say what you want about loyalty, values, etc. but there isn't a single adult associated with UW that wouldn’t leave at the drop of the hat for 1.5 mill or whatever he got. Why hold the athletes to another standard?
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Nailed it.
 
Neyor did make the Green Bay practice squad. Given Grant was his position coach at UW, he probably would not have made it that far had he stayed.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
This. Anyone and I mean anyone who would begrudge a young man from making million+ has their head in the sand. He left to make more money or nearly as much as Bohl was making after a lifetime in the game.

He didn't leave because it was too hard, he didn't like teammates, etc. He's a great college player (I hope pro too) that had his shot at money many will never see in 15+ years of working. I'd question his intelligence for staying. Say what you want about loyalty, values, etc. but there isn't a single adult associated with UW that wouldn’t leave at the drop of the hat for 1.5 mill or whatever he got. Why hold the athletes to another standard?
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I don't hold anything against him. If he were my son, I would have told him to do exactly what he did.

My only point is that if you invite players that leave your school to return - you are inviting a better than even likelihood of discontent in the locker room. Players understand it. Coaches understand it. It's why Bohl and nearly every other coach out there says that once you enter the portal - you can't come back. And it's at least one reason why players seldom go back to any school they left.
 
LawPoke said:
I don't hold anything against him. If he were my son, I would have told him to do exactly what he did.

My only point is that if you invite players that leave your school to return - you are inviting a better than even likelihood of discontent in the locker room. Players understand it. Coaches understand it. It's why Bohl and nearly every other coach out there says that once you enter the portal - you can't come back. And it's at least one reason why players seldom go back to any school they left.
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Agree LawPoke. Can you imagine telling your wife to go out and get all the good-dicking she wants, but she is welcome back with open arms? LMAO.
 
LawPoke said:
I don't hold anything against him. If he were my son, I would have told him to do exactly what he did.

My only point is that if you invite players that leave your school to return - you are inviting a better than even likelihood of discontent in the locker room. Players understand it. Coaches understand it. It's why Bohl and nearly every other coach out there says that once you enter the portal - you can't come back. And it's at least one reason why players seldom go back to any school they left.
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I mean I get it. I guess I'd think most players, coaches, etc would understand. I think it signals there's always room for talent improvement that's a cultural fit.

A few big catches swinging a game and nobody would care about the past. Hate the game not the player. I guess just talking point now anyway. I think the 49ers were hoping he'd clear waivers. I hope he does well in GB
 
I'm either ignorant or just totally drawing a blank but has anyone ever transferred from Wyoming and then come back? Not sure I can think of an example anywhere else leaving and then coming back.
 
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