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Vegas odds.....

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jcintherock

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....for the next years basketball coach (unpublished of course).

Joe Dooley 4:1

Larry Shyatt 7:1

Billy Gillespie 12:1

field - 3:1

If you want some action hit me back.

Seriously

Peace
 
Dooley odds for me, only because he screamed "F You" to Nick Fazekas after Nevada beat Kansas in 2005.

I am and have been a Joe Dooley fan since that moment.
 
jcintherock said:
....for the next years basketball coach (unpublished of course).

Joe Dooley 4:1

Larry Shyatt 7:1

Billy Gillespie 12:1

field - 3:1

If you want some action hit me back.

Seriously

Peace
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I'll take the field. That's easy money right there.

The better question is: who will take in Heath Schroyer? I hope he doesn't go back to Fresno. We have to share a league with them and I don't even want Heath to set foot in the State of Wyoming ever again. Go away Heath, go far, far away.
 
NowherePoke said:
jcintherock said:
....for the next years basketball coach (unpublished of course).

Joe Dooley 4:1

Larry Shyatt 7:1

Billy Gillespie 12:1

field - 3:1

If you want some action hit me back.

Seriously

Peace
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I'll take the field. That's easy money right there.

The better question is: who will take in Heath Schroyer? I hope he doesn't go back to Fresno. We have to share a league with them and I don't even want Heath to set foot in the State of Wyoming ever again. Go away Heath, go far, far away.
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maybe he swaps job with our next head coach and he ends up in WCC ;-)
 
Updated odds.

There is no update!!!....same as before.

Joe Dooley is still the favorite. Overall, he's the best candidate.

Peace
 
On the Sportszone last night Eric Schmoldts from the Casper Star said he has learned that UW is researching Schyatt extremely hard. I'm sure UW is vetting a lot of coaches right now, Schyatt is the first one that Schmoldts has been able to confirm.
 
jcintherock said:
Joe Dooley is still the favorite. Overall, he's the best candidate.
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Sort of agree, but rumors I'm hearing (just that, rumors, no real sources) are that Dooley isn't all that interested. He'll take it if the money's right, but can we afford him? That's the question I'm hearing really needs to be answered.

Cheywypoke said:
Eric Schmoldts from the Casper Star said he has learned that UW is researching Schyatt extremely hard.
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Really? I find it hard to believe that Shyatt is getting serious consideration. I'd be ok with it, just surprised.

GO POKES!
 
There are real indications that he is very interested.

He's reached out to the search committee directly.

I'd be over-joyed with any of the top three though.

Seriously
 
All 3 of those "candidates" are solid. I can only hope that the "darkhorse" gets the nod though...to me, that is the win that will pay for itself, and rather quickly.
 
Dooley is the only one I would rather have. If you look at it. Shyatt has been a good assistant, and he had ONE, ONE good year as a Head Coach (Wyoming). But as soon as he could he bolted to what seemed like greener pastures, and did not succeed. Do we really want that? Yeah, maybe he can win here, but as soon as he does, does he bolt again?
Gilispie? Really? yeah he is a good coach, but figure it: 30-33 in two years at Utep and as soon as he has success he bolts to Greener pastures...Texas A&M where he finished 70-26. And as soon as a better opportunity arose he was headed to Kentucky.
At Kentucky he had success, but was actually quite minimal for the program he was with going 40-27.
I do like his work ethic and love his recruiting capabilities, but figure that as soon as he has any success, maybe one or two years at Wyo, he would be gone and we will be right back to where we are today. Do we really want that? Or would we rather bring in someone who would be more committed to the program and build something here? Not just instant success, but continual success?
 
Both Dooley and BCG would leave to bigger programs if they have success at UW. I would be fine if either used UW as a stepping stone if it meant MWC championships and if they leave a Successor (maybe Jeremy Cox comes in as an assistant with BCG).

I actually believe Shyatt would stick around longer than Dooely or Billy G. Who knows though that is just my opinion and Shyatt has bolted before (although it was for his dream job at Clemson). If I had to pick one out of three I would pick Joe Dooley because I believe he would make UW a contender the fastest.

I would be happy with either Dooley, BCG, or Shyatt (or any other proven coach) as long as they bring championship banners back to the AA.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Dooley is the only one I would rather have. If you look at it. Shyatt has been a good assistant, and he had ONE, ONE good year as a Head Coach (Wyoming). But as soon as he could he bolted to what seemed like greener pastures, and did not succeed. Do we really want that? Yeah, maybe he can win here, but as soon as he does, does he bolt again?
Gilispie? Really? yeah he is a good coach, but figure it: 30-33 in two years at Utep and as soon as he has success he bolts to Greener pastures...Texas A&M where he finished 70-26. And as soon as a better opportunity arose he was headed to Kentucky.
At Kentucky he had success, but was actually quite minimal for the program he was with going 40-27.
I do like his work ethic and love his recruiting capabilities, but figure that as soon as he has any success, maybe one or two years at Wyo, he would be gone and we will be right back to where we are today. Do we really want that? Or would we rather bring in someone who would be more committed to the program and build something here? Not just instant success, but continual success?
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Gillespie puts Wyo. basketball on the national map the second he's hired. No other hire does that. I can't imagine the impact he could have on attendence immediately. Who cares if he leaves? Look at Kansas state. They were a perrenial basment dweller of the big 12. They bring in Huggins for 1 year, he leaves, and look at the program now. I follow bb reasonably close. I don't even know who Dooley is - never heard of him. How in the hell can he be the best candidate?
 
I don't even know who Dooley is - never heard of him. How in the hell can he be the best candidate
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He is the lead assistant at Kansas. Many consider him the top assistant in college basketball. You have a point about Gillispie putting UW on the map, but I think Joe Dooley would be a quality hire.
 
bladerunnr said:
kansasCowboy said:
Dooley is the only one I would rather have. If you look at it. Shyatt has been a good assistant, and he had ONE, ONE good year as a Head Coach (Wyoming). But as soon as he could he bolted to what seemed like greener pastures, and did not succeed. Do we really want that? Yeah, maybe he can win here, but as soon as he does, does he bolt again?
Gilispie? Really? yeah he is a good coach, but figure it: 30-33 in two years at Utep and as soon as he has success he bolts to Greener pastures...Texas A&M where he finished 70-26. And as soon as a better opportunity arose he was headed to Kentucky.
At Kentucky he had success, but was actually quite minimal for the program he was with going 40-27.
I do like his work ethic and love his recruiting capabilities, but figure that as soon as he has any success, maybe one or two years at Wyo, he would be gone and we will be right back to where we are today. Do we really want that? Or would we rather bring in someone who would be more committed to the program and build something here? Not just instant success, but continual success?
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Gillespie puts Wyo. basketball on the national map the second he's hired. No other hire does that. I can't imagine the impact he could have on attendence immediately. Who cares if he leaves? Look at Kansas state. They were a perrenial basment dweller of the big 12. They bring in Huggins for 1 year, he leaves, and look at the program now. I follow bb reasonably close. I don't even know who Dooley is - never heard of him. How in the hell can he be the best candidate?
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The last line is short-sighted IMO. First of all, why does the best candidate have to be someone you have heard of? Did you honestly know who Larry Shyatt was before he was hired? While he didn't stick around, that was clearly a quality hire and one that set the program back on it's feet. Did you know who Dave Rose was before he was hired (promoted actually I suppose) at BYU? How about Tad Boyle before UNC hired him?

Beyond that aspect, how can you say you follow college basketball closely and not know who Joe Dooley is? He is one of the most well-known assistants in the country for reasons both good (top assistant on annual title contender that gets a lot of TV time and is referenced on telecasts, widely credited with helping to recruit these KU teams, named the top assistant in the country by foxsports.com, one of the top by Rivals.com, etc.) and questionable (yelling an obscenity at Nick Fazekas after a game, going 57-52 at ECU in his first stint as a head coach which he landed when he was only 29. etc.). Not to mention the fact that he was an assistant here at UW under McClain for a short time frame.
 
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The last line is short-sighted IMO. First of all, why does the best candidate have to be someone you have heard of? Did you honestly know who Larry Shyatt was before he was hired? While he didn't stick around, that was clearly a quality hire and one that set the program back on it's feet. Did you know who Dave Rose was before he was hired (promoted actually I suppose) at BYU? How about Tad Boyle before UNC hired him?

Beyond that aspect, how can you say you follow college basketball closely and not know who Joe Dooley is? He is one of the most well-known assistants in the country for reasons both good (top assistant on annual title contender that gets a lot of TV time and is referenced on telecasts, widely credited with helping to recruit these KU teams, named the top assistant in the country by foxsports.com, one of the top by Rivals.com, etc.) and questionable (yelling an obscenity at Nick Fazekas after a game, going 57-52 at ECU in his first stint as a head coach which he landed when he was only 29. etc.). Not to mention the fact that he was an assistant here at UW under McClain for a short time frame.[/quote]

Not someone I've heard of. Someone the whole nation knows. Look at the condition of our program. Headed for the play in game for the 3d time in 4 years. This is a herculean rebuilding project. We know Gillespie's track record. I'm not saying he's the only candidate that could be a good hire. I'm sure there are many who could do this. I"m saying Gilespie is a near sure thing and someone who would give Wyo. some national attention just by hiring him

Finally, I doubt that very many bb fans know the assistant coaches on their own team, let alone the assistants from other programs. Just remember, Joby Wright was a well regarded assistant for Bobby Knight when Indiana was a top 10 program. It was thought that he would be able to recruit like crazy to Laramie. You take a big chance with an assistant. Barring some horrific personal revelation about Gilespie, he should be the ONLY candidate we should be going after with Shyatt as distant second.
 
bladerunnr said:
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The last line is short-sighted IMO. First of all, why does the best candidate have to be someone you have heard of? Did you honestly know who Larry Shyatt was before he was hired? While he didn't stick around, that was clearly a quality hire and one that set the program back on it's feet. Did you know who Dave Rose was before he was hired (promoted actually I suppose) at BYU? How about Tad Boyle before UNC hired him?

Beyond that aspect, how can you say you follow college basketball closely and not know who Joe Dooley is? He is one of the most well-known assistants in the country for reasons both good (top assistant on annual title contender that gets a lot of TV time and is referenced on telecasts, widely credited with helping to recruit these KU teams, named the top assistant in the country by foxsports.com, one of the top by Rivals.com, etc.) and questionable (yelling an obscenity at Nick Fazekas after a game, going 57-52 at ECU in his first stint as a head coach which he landed when he was only 29. etc.). Not to mention the fact that he was an assistant here at UW under McClain for a short time frame.
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Not someone I've heard of. Someone the whole nation knows. Look at the condition of our program. Headed for the play in game for the 3d time in 4 years. This is a herculean rebuilding project. We know Gillespie's track record. I'm not saying he's the only candidate that could be a good hire. I'm sure there are many who could do this. I"m saying Gilespie is a near sure thing and someone who would give Wyo. some national attention just by hiring him

Finally, I doubt that very many bb fans know the assistant coaches on their own team, let alone the assistants from other programs. Just remember, Joby Wright was a well regarded assistant for Bobby Knight when Indiana was a top 10 program. It was thought that he would be able to recruit like crazy to Laramie. You take a big chance with an assistant. Barring some horrific personal revelation about Gilespie, he should be the ONLY candidate we should be going after with Shyatt as distant second.[/quote]

Well, I don't disagree in regards to Gillispie. If you can hire him, you do it with no questions asked.

My comments are regarding what we do if Gillispie accepts the Texas Tech job (or some other job) and we have to look elsewhere. We probably aren't going to get a household name that even the casual fan would know.
 
Again. Very short sighted by all of you. I will ask the question again. Do we want a coach who will have a successful season and then bolt in 1-2 years and be right back where we are now? Or do we want a quality guy who will stay and make this a successful program year in and year out?
My opinion. I'm sick of being a stepping stone for coaches. Who wants better? How about getting a coach with roots who wants to build a quality program?
Every one of you seem to be stuck on instant gratification. Instant gratification rarely works. KSU is doing good. But figure, they invested after what they saw could be. The coach before Huggins brought in 180K a year. KSU invested and gave Huggins more. Then they found someone who wants to stay for a while. Amazingly this coach gets about 200K a year plus LOT's of incentives. Wyo probably won't do the same. If they got Gillispie and he left after 1-2 years, the next coach will probably only receive 180 or maybe 200K But will be back with a coach as good as McClain was.
Shyatt to McClain is a good example of what KSU is going through right now. McClain had four good season's before falling off again. Do we want to repeat history for instant gratification? or do we want to find someone like Everett Shelton who hung with the Cowboys for almost 20 years, brought us a National Championship and had great success?
The I want it now attitude is what get's good quality coaches fired. It's why we will probably never again see coaches with great careers in one location like Lute Olsen or Coach K or even Bobby Knight ever again.
Sad but true.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Again. Very short sighted by all of you. I will ask the question again. Do we want a coach who will have a successful season and then bolt in 1-2 years and be right back where we are now? Or do we want a quality guy who will stay and make this a successful program year in and year out?
My opinion. I'm sick of being a stepping stone for coaches. Who wants better? How about getting a coach with roots who wants to build a quality program?
Every one of you seem to be stuck on instant gratification. Instant gratification rarely works. KSU is doing good. But figure, they invested after what they saw could be. The coach before Huggins brought in 180K a year. KSU invested and gave Huggins more. Then they found someone who wants to stay for a while. Amazingly this coach gets about 200K a year plus LOT's of incentives. Wyo probably won't do the same. If they got Gillispie and he left after 1-2 years, the next coach will probably only receive 180 or maybe 200K But will be back with a coach as good as McClain was.
Shyatt to McClain is a good example of what KSU is going through right now. McClain had four good season's before falling off again. Do we want to repeat history for instant gratification? or do we want to find someone like Everett Shelton who hung with the Cowboys for almost 20 years, brought us a National Championship and had great success?
The I want it now attitude is what get's good quality coaches fired. It's why we will probably never again see coaches with great careers in one location like Lute Olsen or Coach K or even Bobby Knight ever again.
Sad but true.
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Stepping stone? Are you crazy? We fired Benny Dees, then fired Joby Wright, Shyatt is the ONLY coach in the last 20 years who left for greener pastures. Give me a coach we don't have to fire. It is not short sighted to hire a winner. Who the hell is Everett Shelton? Is that the 60's? The game is different now. There's a shot clock. Most of the players are African American. This isn't the Adolph Rupp era when all the players were white and games could be won 6-4.

If we limit ourselves by looking only for a guy who will stay, I guarantee we will be looking for a new coach 4 years from now.
 
Joe Dooley would use UW for a stepping stone and show would Billy G. Shyatt already did leave but if he wants to come back would he really leave the same way? I think Shyatt would stay long term this time (how old is he? 60).

If we have 3-4 years of championship bball I don't care who our coach is as long as he leaves the program in good shape and enough revenue to find a high quality replacement (or he brings in an assistant that can take over).
 
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