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ragtimejoe1 said:
Like I said, UW became detached from the people of the state. The legislature is getting their attention...
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After DEI Fight With Legislature, University Of Wyoming Launches Image Makeover

After a very public and contentious DEI fight with the state Legislature, the University of Wyoming is launching an image makeover. They say their new…
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Congratulations. A bunch of legislators, many of whom just moved here and didn't go to UW, managed to politicize the university. Think about that...aren't you the people saying politics don't belong in education? Apparently they do...as long as it's your politics.

Is there anything these supposed small govt. advocates don't want to control. Is there any institution they don't want to force their values on?

Bunch of control freaks and many of you are blind to it cause you share their values. Imagine if someone who doesn't share your politics went about governing this way. You guys would blow a gasket.

That's the problem with this world. No one has any underlying principles anymore. The ends apparently always justify the means as long as your getting what you want.
 
Ha ha. Make a statement and then walk away. So I am assuming you won’t be reading any response but here goes anyway. Everything you’re complaining about is exactly what happened in the past from the other side of these issues. We’ve experienced the forcing of values regarding immigration and LGBT issues among others. What you are seeing now is the reaction to that.
 
ZapPoke said:
Ha ha. Make a statement and then walk away. So I am assuming you won’t be reading any response but here goes anyway. Everything you’re complaining about is exactly what happened in the past from the other side of these issues. We’ve experienced the forcing of values regarding immigration and LGBT issues among others. What you are seeing now is the reaction to that.
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Let's not kid ourselves. Wyoming was never taken over by liberals. The university was not a liberal institution. We had a goddamn super majority and you all act like were california. But let's assume what you say is true.

You are saying that that was wrong. So simple logic says this is wrong too. Can you comprehend that? Is this what you teach you kids. When they go low, you go lower? No wonder the world is so fucked up. In your stupid way of thinking, one person does one wrong thing and before you know it it's spiraled completely out of control. Come to think of it, that probably is partly what's happening here.

And for the record, I actually agree with some of what our legislature is doing in principle. But the way they are going about it is fucked. You all are guaranteeing that the next time the shoe is on the other foot, and it will be, it's gonna get broken off in your ass. And apparently you think that's the way it should work, so don't bitch.
 
Yep, two wrongs definitely make a right. That's not what they taught me in church growing up, that's not what my parents taught me, but apparently this is the way now. I'll say it again, no wonder the world is so screwed up. One person does one wrong and it all spirals.
 
While I'm at it...here's the difference between me and you. I can say that men competing in women's sports is wrong. Because it is. I can say that having a near open border is wrong, because it is. The left was wrong to cling to those foolish ideas and more importantly, to try and push those on others. Cause you know what, it's pretty much always wrong to push your opinions on others.

I don't give a rats ass that the DEI office closed either. I truly don't. But politics has no place in our University. It is a terrible idea. Pushing your beliefs on others is a terrible idea, because life is like a pendulum. It always comes back around.

But this group of legislators absolutely 100 percent want to push their values on everyone else. And you all think that's OK cause you shard those values. So once again, don't bitch when it comes back to bite you.
 
I am sorry this subject upsets you so. And I don’t think you should assume that you know what I believe. Please enlighten me as to what beliefs you think are being pushed on everyone else. This is a genuine question on my part.
 
bullbugle307 said:
Congratulations. A bunch of legislators, many of whom just moved here and didn't go to UW, managed to politicize the university. Think about that...aren't you the people saying politics don't belong in education? Apparently they do...as long as it's your politics.

Is there anything these supposed small govt. advocates don't want to control. Is there any institution they don't want to force their values on?

Bunch of control freaks and many of you are blind to it cause you share their values. Imagine if someone who doesn't share your politics went about governing this way. You guys would blow a gasket.

That's the problem with this world. No one has any underlying principles anymore. The ends apparently always justify the means as long as your getting what you want.
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Focusing efforts to address critical needs and economic development in the state doesn't seem bad.

Ironically a major component in the Sternberg report was about enhancing efforts to connect athletics to the state.

Maybe just maybe, right or wrong, the stakeholders felt that UW was disconnected from them. I'm not sure it's bad that UW is altering their message if not their focus to be more of a university for the people of the state.
 
Right off the top of my head I'll give you two big ones, at least in my world.

I am a landowner. I bought my property, paid it off, and have always paid my taxes on it. Guess who wants to regulate and have the final say on who I can sell it to should I choose to. The freedom caucus, that's who. That's right, these supposed bastions of property rights want to have final say on who I can sell my property to. If I found out I was terminal like 3 years ago, I may have considered selling my property cheap to the government to facilitate public access to a very difficult to access chunk of public land. Would have been a no brainer sweetheart deal for the gov, but not if the freedom causus had their way.

And another, again, off the top of my head. They want to force the federal government to dispose of pretty much all public lands in the state. Lands that belong to all of us, and all Americans. Lands that the collective tax dollars of our forefathers bought to facilitate the creation of this great nation. Now they want them disposed of. You know what means. They want them sold to the billionaires they take their marching orders from, most of whom will take away your right to even walk on those hundreds of millions of acres. You know where these ideas always seem to originate? With our best friends in Utah. You know who. The same people that run our all time favorite University. The same people who's religious doctrine was birthed on a concept called creating Deseret. An idea of a religious theocracy that I'm not sure they've given up on. I'll just leave it at that, other than to say that the federal lands disposal movement would represent the single largest pilfering of a public trust that the world has ever seen.

So again, right off the top of my head, there's two huge infringements on things that are absolutely dear to me. My property, what I can do with it, and our public lands, IE all of our property.

But really, I'm gonna go now. My wife is due any day now, and this is a monumental waste of time. The only ideas that are allowed to enter your heads are those from the media who have brainwashed you into thinking that the chaos that surrounds us right now is a good thing. People on both sides that think like you have us on track for a civil war, some people who are intellectually honest at least have the balls to explicitly admit this. I'm worried as hell about the state of the world I'm bringing my kid into. When you point out that something is wrong and all people can say is "the other guy did it first!" and "nuh uh".
 
Hey Bullbugle. I think you have misunderstood me and that could be on me for not having a way with words. You keep saying two wrongs don’t make a right and I agree with that sentiment. But how is reversing a wrong a wrong? Anyway I sort of agree with your two points above. Private property rights is one of the things this country was founded on. If you really want to sell your land to the government that should be your right. On the other hand there have been some land swaps proposed that are contrary to the public good and only benefit the landowner involved. I don’t think Wyoming should take over federally owned lands but the feds should stop trying to turn it all into roadless wilderness. Use the land as intended for timber and grazing and recreation. I appreciate the discussion with you.
 
So in a nutshell, cut funding for education, cut funding for mental health services, and let concealed weapons into all public spaces will make everything better. Then, allow parents to homeschool and collect $7000 for each kid, without actually looking into who is currently homeschooling. Seems logical. 🤦‍♂️.
 
I thought the federal land proposal was to turn it over to state management? The selling to billionaires was an assumption?

For not selling to the feds, I get the property rights thing. I also understand the philosophy of not allowing the feds more control in the state. Three's merits to both arguments.
 
Cowboy20 said:
So in a nutshell, cut funding for education, cut funding for mental health services, and let concealed weapons into all public spaces will make everything better. Then, allow parents to homeschool and collect $7000 for each kid, without actually looking into who is currently homeschooling. Seems logical. 🤦‍♂️.
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I don’t believe there a mechanism to look into whether the child even lives in Wyoming to secure the $7000. Government handouts for everyone!
 
Cowboy20 said:
So in a nutshell, cut funding for education, cut funding for mental health services, and let concealed weapons into all public spaces will make everything better. Then, allow parents to homeschool and collect $7000 for each kid, without actually looking into who is currently homeschooling. Seems logical. 🤦‍♂️.
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They are eliminating these or reducing expenditures? Is there fat to trim? Arguments in politics are so disingenuous. Perhaps there's room for cuts?
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
I thought the federal land proposal was to turn it over to state management? The selling to billionaires was an assumption?

For not selling to the feds, I get the property rights thing. I also understand the philosophy of not allowing the feds more control in the state. Three's merits to both arguments.
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An assumption based on the irrefutable fact that the vast majority of lands that the federal government has given to the states has been sold to the highest bidder. Couple that with the fact that the state can't afford to manage said lands were they to be transferred, and it's a forgone conclusion that most of it will be sold.

The "transfer" crowd is very smart to make people think that they want the state to have and manage those lands. This is a bald faced lie. Pure and simple.
 
Randy Newberg has an excellent history of federal land transfer to the states and breaks down in detail how much of it has been sold. Easy to find on youtube.
 
bullbugle307 said:
An assumption based on the irrefutable fact that the vast majority of lands that the federal government has given to the states has been sold to the highest bidder. Couple that with the fact that the state can't afford to manage said lands were they to be transferred, and it's a forgone conclusion that most of it will be sold.

The "transfer" crowd is very smart to make people think that they want the state to have and manage those lands. This is a bald faced lie. Pure and simple.
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How much land can wyoming manage? They haven't sold off much of their current state trust land. is there a magic number of acres wyoming couldn't manage? The recent Rock Springs RMP should definitely have most of us concerned about the feds locking us out of land in our own state. I love national forests. I love blm land. but there is a scenario where I imagine it being state owned and nothing changes except we're not being robbed blind and we can't generate revenue off our own lands.
 
bullbugle307 said:
An assumption based on the irrefutable fact that the vast majority of lands that the federal government has given to the states has been sold to the highest bidder. Couple that with the fact that the state can't afford to manage said lands were they to be transferred, and it's a forgone conclusion that most of it will be sold.

The "transfer" crowd is very smart to make people think that they want the state to have and manage those lands. This is a bald faced lie. Pure and simple.
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That's not necessarily true. They can't afford to manage the land in fashion similar to the bloated fed approach. That's not the only approach.

WYO isn't and hasn't sold off a substantial amount of state land. Again, it's assumption and speculation easily remedied with a simple stipulation that land can't be sold when it's transferred. Regards, that's all mental maturation. Feds aren't turning over any land so it's really not worth debating.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
They are eliminating these or reducing expenditures? Is there fat to trim? Arguments in politics are so disingenuous. Perhaps there's room for cuts?
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Sure there is fat to trim, but it shouldn’t be at the mercy of kids or struggling families. The reductions they are making are designed to gut public education and social services resources.
 
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