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[TSpoke]

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game. All 5 were huge points when we needed an answer. If only Edwards would have had him on the bench like normal...

Who says that? Literally no one.

I thought the minutes were distributed correctly tonight. Dalton with 30 JJ with 26. You could say Herndon may have had too many with 27 but I'm guessing they needed him in there to anchor the inside defense(can't replace Herndon with Adams). Everyone else was between 20-24 minutes. Mcmannamen's minutes were reduced down so that was good. Edwards likes to play 9-10 guys. No one should be playing 35 minutes a game if we a playing that deep. The depth of our team was considered a good thing I thought. Not sure why Adams wasn't in more at the end but he is working his way back into game shape perhaps 20 minutes was his limit. The fact of the matter is that the coaching staff likes to play a lot of players and that leads to lower minutes all around. It seems like people on this board are the only ones really worked up about it. It is going to get worse next year when we get everyone back but Mcm and add 2 transfers that will contribute right away and possibly some freshmen who can.

If McM hadn't gone into a huge slump and we were getting 12-13 from him we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz we would have an extra couple wins and be sitting near the top of the conference. It reminds me of Hankersons slump 2 years ago during conference season. Hopefully Jason can work his way out of it like Hank did. If he does I think we will be tough down the stretch and put ourselves in a good position going into the tourney.

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

Well since he plays way more than 5 minutes a game, them having no issue with the minutes he plays doesn't mean they think he should only play 5 minutes a game. JVK has been the toughest on him and he says that he loves JJ and he is one of his favorite players. The only time someone mentioned liability to the team was in this thread during the game after a specific number of incidents and was later retracted.

We can have this discussion without exaggerating to try to make the people you disagree with look worse. Just like some on here seem to think their love for JJ means they have to tear down other players on our team like Liebs and Aka. I love the style of JJs game he is so much fun to watch but I also appreciate what the other players on the team bring and see the value they bring into the system. I understand what Edwards is trying to do with getting different players in there. I don't always agree with his moves but get what he is trying to do. He has a lot of players he feels deserves time on the court and that his team is better for having a deep rotation. I like the approach much better than when SHyatt could only trust 6 or maybe 7 players to play any significant time which lead us to have to slow down on offense to rest their legs.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game. All 5 were huge points when we needed an answer. If only Edwards would have had him on the bench like normal...

Who says that? Literally no one.

I thought the minutes were distributed correctly tonight. Dalton with 30 JJ with 26. You could say Herndon may have had too many with 27 but I'm guessing they needed him in there to anchor the inside defense(can't replace Herndon with Adams). Everyone else was between 20-24 minutes. Mcmannamen's minutes were reduced down so that was good. Edwards likes to play 9-10 guys. No one should be playing 35 minutes a game if we a playing that deep. The depth of our team was considered a good thing I thought. Not sure why Adams wasn't in more at the end but he is working his way back into game shape perhaps 20 minutes was his limit. The fact of the matter is that the coaching staff likes to play a lot of players and that leads to lower minutes all around. It seems like people on this board are the only ones really worked up about it. It is going to get worse next year when we get everyone back but Mcm and add 2 transfers that will contribute right away and possibly some freshmen who can.

If McM hadn't gone into a huge slump and we were getting 12-13 from him we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz we would have an extra couple wins and be sitting near the top of the conference. It reminds me of Hankersons slump 2 years ago during conference season. Hopefully Jason can work his way out of it like Hank did. If he does I think we will be tough down the stretch and put ourselves in a good position going into the tourney.

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

Well since he plays way more than 5 minutes a game, them having no issue with the minutes he plays doesn't mean they think he should only play 5 minutes a game. JVK has been the toughest on him and he says that he loves JJ and he is one of his favorite players. The only time someone mentioned liability to the team was in this thread during the game after a specific number of incidents and was later retracted.

We can have this discussion without exaggerating to try to make the people you disagree with look worse. Just like some on here seem to think their love for JJ means they have to tear down other players on our team like Liebs and Aka. I love the style of JJs game he is so much fun to watch but I also appreciate what the other players on the team bring and see the value they bring into the system. I understand what Edwards is trying to do with getting different players in there. I don't always agree with his moves but get what he is trying to do. He has a lot of players he feels deserves time on the court and that his team is better for having a deep rotation. I like the approach much better than when SHyatt could only trust 6 or maybe 7 players to play any significant time which lead us to have to slow down on offense to rest their legs.

I am not exaggerating, I don't need to. I have stats on my side. His STATS say he should be playing far more than 5 minutes (which I never said), 10 minutes, even 25 minutes. He and Dalton (with Adams quickly gaining ground) are the best players on the team by a mile. To not play them more than everyone else is absolutely asinine and absurd. And that is no exaggeration.

And no one is saying guys like Liebs and Kelley don't bring value, our point is that their value isn't anywhere near JJ's and to assume because JJ has more turnovers than Liebs or Kelley that he negatively impacts the game at a higher rate than them, is crazy. The people that truly believe that we are better with James on the bench or that Liebs and Kelley are suitable replacements as he catches his breath are ridiculous.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

No one has said his minutes should be cut to 5 or fewer.

 

[TSpoke]

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game. All 5 were huge points when we needed an answer. If only Edwards would have had him on the bench like normal...

Who says that? Literally no one.

I thought the minutes were distributed correctly tonight. Dalton with 30 JJ with 26. You could say Herndon may have had too many with 27 but I'm guessing they needed him in there to anchor the inside defense(can't replace Herndon with Adams). Everyone else was between 20-24 minutes. Mcmannamen's minutes were reduced down so that was good. Edwards likes to play 9-10 guys. No one should be playing 35 minutes a game if we a playing that deep. The depth of our team was considered a good thing I thought. Not sure why Adams wasn't in more at the end but he is working his way back into game shape perhaps 20 minutes was his limit. The fact of the matter is that the coaching staff likes to play a lot of players and that leads to lower minutes all around. It seems like people on this board are the only ones really worked up about it. It is going to get worse next year when we get everyone back but Mcm and add 2 transfers that will contribute right away and possibly some freshmen who can.

If McM hadn't gone into a huge slump and we were getting 12-13 from him we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz we would have an extra couple wins and be sitting near the top of the conference. It reminds me of Hankersons slump 2 years ago during conference season. Hopefully Jason can work his way out of it like Hank did. If he does I think we will be tough down the stretch and put ourselves in a good position going into the tourney.

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

Well since he plays way more than 5 minutes a game, them having no issue with the minutes he plays doesn't mean they think he should only play 5 minutes a game. JVK has been the toughest on him and he says that he loves JJ and he is one of his favorite players. The only time someone mentioned liability to the team was in this thread during the game after a specific number of incidents and was later retracted.

We can have this discussion without exaggerating to try to make the people you disagree with look worse. Just like some on here seem to think their love for JJ means they have to tear down other players on our team like Liebs and Aka. I love the style of JJs game he is so much fun to watch but I also appreciate what the other players on the team bring and see the value they bring into the system. I understand what Edwards is trying to do with getting different players in there. I don't always agree with his moves but get what he is trying to do. He has a lot of players he feels deserves time on the court and that his team is better for having a deep rotation. I like the approach much better than when SHyatt could only trust 6 or maybe 7 players to play any significant time which lead us to have to slow down on offense to rest their legs.

I am not exaggerating, I don't need to. I have stats on my side. His STATS say he should be playing far more than 5 minutes (which I never said), 10 minutes, even 25 minutes. He and Dalton (with Adams quickly gaining ground) are the best players on the team by a mile. To not play them more than everyone else is absolutely asinine and absurd. And that is no exaggeration.

And no one is saying guys like Liebs and Kelley don't bring value, our point is that their value isn't anywhere near JJ's and to assume because JJ has more turnovers than Liebs or Kelley that he negatively impacts the game at a higher rate than them, is crazy. The people that truly believe that we are better with James on the bench or that Liebs and Kelley are suitable replacements as he catches his breath are ridiculous.

My Mistake on the 5 minutes thing. THought that's what I read the first time. Must have saw the other 5 in the post and put it in there. But still I've seen no one say he should only play a handful of minutes. He is playing starter minutes(he is in the top 5 in average minutes) The fact of the matter that I am getting at is that the philosophy of the coaching staff is to play 9 or 10 players and to try not to overuse players(I thought McM was getting overused earlier in the season, he shouldn't have been playing 34 minutes). This leads to the best players not having as many minutes as they would on a team that didn't play like this. They think we are a better team by having fresh legs out there all game rather than wear down a few players. Which also allows us to run more up tempo. I like the break down of minutes in this game. Dalton with the most and JJ right there. And everyone else between 20-24 minutes.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

No one has said his minutes should be cut to 5 or fewer.

Thats good, neither did I

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game. All 5 were huge points when we needed an answer. If only Edwards would have had him on the bench like normal...

Who says that? Literally no one.

I thought the minutes were distributed correctly tonight. Dalton with 30 JJ with 26. You could say Herndon may have had too many with 27 but I'm guessing they needed him in there to anchor the inside defense(can't replace Herndon with Adams). Everyone else was between 20-24 minutes. Mcmannamen's minutes were reduced down so that was good. Edwards likes to play 9-10 guys. No one should be playing 35 minutes a game if we a playing that deep. The depth of our team was considered a good thing I thought. Not sure why Adams wasn't in more at the end but he is working his way back into game shape perhaps 20 minutes was his limit. The fact of the matter is that the coaching staff likes to play a lot of players and that leads to lower minutes all around. It seems like people on this board are the only ones really worked up about it. It is going to get worse next year when we get everyone back but Mcm and add 2 transfers that will contribute right away and possibly some freshmen who can.

If McM hadn't gone into a huge slump and we were getting 12-13 from him we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz we would have an extra couple wins and be sitting near the top of the conference. It reminds me of Hankersons slump 2 years ago during conference season. Hopefully Jason can work his way out of it like Hank did. If he does I think we will be tough down the stretch and put ourselves in a good position going into the tourney.

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

Well since he plays way more than 5 minutes a game, them having no issue with the minutes he plays doesn't mean they think he should only play 5 minutes a game. JVK has been the toughest on him and he says that he loves JJ and he is one of his favorite players. The only time someone mentioned liability to the team was in this thread during the game after a specific number of incidents and was later retracted.

We can have this discussion without exaggerating to try to make the people you disagree with look worse. Just like some on here seem to think their love for JJ means they have to tear down other players on our team like Liebs and Aka. I love the style of JJs game he is so much fun to watch but I also appreciate what the other players on the team bring and see the value they bring into the system. I understand what Edwards is trying to do with getting different players in there. I don't always agree with his moves but get what he is trying to do. He has a lot of players he feels deserves time on the court and that his team is better for having a deep rotation. I like the approach much better than when SHyatt could only trust 6 or maybe 7 players to play any significant time which lead us to have to slow down on offense to rest their legs.

I am not exaggerating, I don't need to. I have stats on my side. His STATS say he should be playing far more than 5 minutes (which I never said), 10 minutes, even 25 minutes. He and Dalton (with Adams quickly gaining ground) are the best players on the team by a mile. To not play them more than everyone else is absolutely asinine and absurd. And that is no exaggeration.

And no one is saying guys like Liebs and Kelley don't bring value, our point is that their value isn't anywhere near JJ's and to assume because JJ has more turnovers than Liebs or Kelley that he negatively impacts the game at a higher rate than them, is crazy. The people that truly believe that we are better with James on the bench or that Liebs and Kelley are suitable replacements as he catches his breath are ridiculous.

My Mistake on the 5 minutes thing. THought that's what I read the first time. Must have saw the other 5 in the post and put it in there. But still I've seen no one say he should only play a handful of minutes. He is playing starter minutes(he is in the top 5 in average minutes) The fact of the matter that I am getting at is that the philosophy of the coaching staff is to play 9 or 10 players and to try not to overuse players(I thought McM was getting overused earlier in the season, he shouldn't have been playing 34 minutes). This leads to the best players not having as many minutes as they would on a team that didn't play like this. They think we are a better team by having fresh legs out there all game rather than wear down a few players. Which also allows us to run more up tempo. I like the break down of minutes in this game. Dalton with the most and JJ right there. And everyone else between 20-24 minutes.

I guess to counter that, if 25+ minutes is "overusing" players than the Strength and Conditioning program is failing.

EDIT: And where did this notion come that if we can run 9-10 players that that instantly equates to success? I would rather run the best 5 more minutes and win then play more bodies and lose...

 

[joshvanklomp]

No one has said his minutes should be cut to 5 or fewer.

Thats good, neither did I

No, you just accused other people of saying it.

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game.

 

[LanderPoke]

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game. All 5 were huge points when we needed an answer. If only Edwards would have had him on the bench like normal...

Who says that? Literally no one.

I thought the minutes were distributed correctly tonight. Dalton with 30 JJ with 26. You could say Herndon may have had too many with 27 but I'm guessing they needed him in there to anchor the inside defense(can't replace Herndon with Adams). Everyone else was between 20-24 minutes. Mcmannamen's minutes were reduced down so that was good. Edwards likes to play 9-10 guys. No one should be playing 35 minutes a game if we a playing that deep. The depth of our team was considered a good thing I thought. Not sure why Adams wasn't in more at the end but he is working his way back into game shape perhaps 20 minutes was his limit. The fact of the matter is that the coaching staff likes to play a lot of players and that leads to lower minutes all around. It seems like people on this board are the only ones really worked up about it. It is going to get worse next year when we get everyone back but Mcm and add 2 transfers that will contribute right away and possibly some freshmen who can.

If McM hadn't gone into a huge slump and we were getting 12-13 from him we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz we would have an extra couple wins and be sitting near the top of the conference. It reminds me of Hankersons slump 2 years ago during conference season. Hopefully Jason can work his way out of it like Hank did. If he does I think we will be tough down the stretch and put ourselves in a good position going into the tourney.

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

Well since he plays way more than 5 minutes a game, them having no issue with the minutes he plays doesn't mean they think he should only play 5 minutes a game. JVK has been the toughest on him and he says that he loves JJ and he is one of his favorite players. The only time someone mentioned liability to the team was in this thread during the game after a specific number of incidents and was later retracted.

We can have this discussion without exaggerating to try to make the people you disagree with look worse. Just like some on here seem to think their love for JJ means they have to tear down other players on our team like Liebs and Aka. I love the style of JJs game he is so much fun to watch but I also appreciate what the other players on the team bring and see the value they bring into the system. I understand what Edwards is trying to do with getting different players in there. I don't always agree with his moves but get what he is trying to do. He has a lot of players he feels deserves time on the court and that his team is better for having a deep rotation. I like the approach much better than when SHyatt could only trust 6 or maybe 7 players to play any significant time which lead us to have to slow down on offense to rest their legs.

I am not exaggerating, I don't need to. I have stats on my side. His STATS say he should be playing far more than 5 minutes (which I never said), 10 minutes, even 25 minutes. He and Dalton (with Adams quickly gaining ground) are the best players on the team by a mile. To not play them more than everyone else is absolutely asinine and absurd. And that is no exaggeration.

And no one is saying guys like Liebs and Kelley don't bring value, our point is that their value isn't anywhere near JJ's and to assume because JJ has more turnovers than Liebs or Kelley that he negatively impacts the game at a higher rate than them, is crazy. The people that truly believe that we are better with James on the bench or that Liebs and Kelley are suitable replacements as he catches his breath are ridiculous.

My Mistake on the 5 minutes thing. THought that's what I read the first time. Must have saw the other 5 in the post and put it in there. But still I've seen no one say he should only play a handful of minutes. He is playing starter minutes(he is in the top 5 in average minutes) The fact of the matter that I am getting at is that the philosophy of the coaching staff is to play 9 or 10 players and to try not to overuse players(I thought McM was getting overused earlier in the season, he shouldn't have been playing 34 minutes). This leads to the best players not having as many minutes as they would on a team that didn't play like this. They think we are a better team by having fresh legs out there all game rather than wear down a few players. Which also allows us to run more up tempo. I like the break down of minutes in this game. Dalton with the most and JJ right there. And everyone else between 20-24 minutes.

I guess to counter that, if 25+ minutes is "overusing" players than the Strength and Conditioning program is failing.

EDIT: And where did this notion come that if we can run 9-10 players that that instantly equates to success? I would rather run the best 5 more minutes and win then play more bodies and lose...

Yes. This. Why only play James 25 min when he could play 33. You get 8 more minutes of elite James production and 8 fewer minutes of crappy Lieberman or Kelly production. Same applies to Dalton and Adams (statistical analysis show they are literally three times as good as Lieberman and Kelly). We've had some close games and 8 more minutes could easily have been the difference for the Pokes. It's not a hard concept

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

No one has said his minutes should be cut to 5 or fewer.

Thats good, neither did I

No, you just accused other people of saying it.

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game.

Then I guess forgive me the slip of the tongue. The fact still remains, James NEEDs to play as many minutes as possible. Another stat that bears that out:

In conference play, in our four losses, James averaged 19 minutes a game.
In conference play, in our four wins, James has averaged 21 minutes and 30 seconds a game.

More minutes equals more production.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I'm watching the game right now. First half was great but a little wild....bracing myself for this 2nd half Everyone was looking pretty great that first half. I like the new wrinkle with Adams in the starting 5. I liked the energy of everyone that hit the court. J McMan had one nice move to the hoop but he just looks like a shell of himself. I kind of want him to grow a massive beard, have long ass hair, and look like he's been through some odyssey....it's seriously like "What happened to you?????" :silly: :silly: :silly:

 

[joshvanklomp]

Yes. This. Why only play James 25 min when he could play 33. You get 8 more minutes of elite James production and 8 fewer minutes of crappy Lieberman or Kelly production. Same applies to Dalton and Adams (statistical analysis show they are literally three times as good as Lieberman and Kelly). We've had some close games and 8 more minutes could easily have been the difference for the Pokes. It's not a hard concept

Why does everyone assume it would be Kelley or Lieberman getting their minutes reduced? James is a wing; Lieberman and Kelley are PGs. While they have shown that lineup for stretches, I don't know that they'd play it more even if James' minutes were upped. You'd probably see a minutes reduction for McManamen and/or Aka Gorski.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Yes. This. Why only play James 25 min when he could play 33. You get 8 more minutes of elite James production and 8 fewer minutes of crappy Lieberman or Kelly production. Same applies to Dalton and Adams (statistical analysis show they are literally three times as good as Lieberman and Kelly). We've had some close games and 8 more minutes could easily have been the difference for the Pokes. It's not a hard concept

Why does everyone assume it would be Kelley or Lieberman getting their minutes reduced? James is a wing; Lieberman and Kelley are PGs. While they have shown that lineup for stretches, I don't know that they'd play it more even if James' minutes were upped. You'd probably see a minutes reduction for McManamen and/or Aka Gorski.

This is a fair point but the point holds true because their production has been only slightly better than Liebs and Kelley. There really hasn't been much difference between these 4 lately. Aka Gorski has more of a leg to stand on with his threes but his overall game isnt warranting of more minutes than James

 

[seattlecowboy]

Its also interesting to me that the player that some on this board think shouldnt play but a handful of minutes and only hurt our chances to win, JUSTIN JAMES, scored the final 5 points of the game. All 5 were huge points when we needed an answer. If only Edwards would have had him on the bench like normal...

Who says that? Literally no one.

I thought the minutes were distributed correctly tonight. Dalton with 30 JJ with 26. You could say Herndon may have had too many with 27 but I'm guessing they needed him in there to anchor the inside defense(can't replace Herndon with Adams). Everyone else was between 20-24 minutes. Mcmannamen's minutes were reduced down so that was good. Edwards likes to play 9-10 guys. No one should be playing 35 minutes a game if we a playing that deep. The depth of our team was considered a good thing I thought. Not sure why Adams wasn't in more at the end but he is working his way back into game shape perhaps 20 minutes was his limit. The fact of the matter is that the coaching staff likes to play a lot of players and that leads to lower minutes all around. It seems like people on this board are the only ones really worked up about it. It is going to get worse next year when we get everyone back but Mcm and add 2 transfers that will contribute right away and possibly some freshmen who can.

If McM hadn't gone into a huge slump and we were getting 12-13 from him we wouldn't even be having this discussion cuz we would have an extra couple wins and be sitting near the top of the conference. It reminds me of Hankersons slump 2 years ago during conference season. Hopefully Jason can work his way out of it like Hank did. If he does I think we will be tough down the stretch and put ourselves in a good position going into the tourney.

Have you been on this board recently? There are a number of posters who have no issue with James on the bench (lack of minutes) and have openly said he's a liability....

Well since he plays way more than 5 minutes a game, them having no issue with the minutes he plays doesn't mean they think he should only play 5 minutes a game. JVK has been the toughest on him and he says that he loves JJ and he is one of his favorite players. The only time someone mentioned liability to the team was in this thread during the game after a specific number of incidents and was later retracted.

We can have this discussion without exaggerating to try to make the people you disagree with look worse. Just like some on here seem to think their love for JJ means they have to tear down other players on our team like Liebs and Aka. I love the style of JJs game he is so much fun to watch but I also appreciate what the other players on the team bring and see the value they bring into the system. I understand what Edwards is trying to do with getting different players in there. I don't always agree with his moves but get what he is trying to do. He has a lot of players he feels deserves time on the court and that his team is better for having a deep rotation. I like the approach much better than when SHyatt could only trust 6 or maybe 7 players to play any significant time which lead us to have to slow down on offense to rest their legs.

I am not exaggerating, I don't need to. I have stats on my side. His STATS say he should be playing far more than 5 minutes (which I never said), 10 minutes, even 25 minutes. He and Dalton (with Adams quickly gaining ground) are the best players on the team by a mile. To not play them more than everyone else is absolutely asinine and absurd. And that is no exaggeration.

And no one is saying guys like Liebs and Kelley don't bring value, our point is that their value isn't anywhere near JJ's and to assume because JJ has more turnovers than Liebs or Kelley that he negatively impacts the game at a higher rate than them, is crazy. The people that truly believe that we are better with James on the bench or that Liebs and Kelley are suitable replacements as he catches his breath are ridiculous.

My Mistake on the 5 minutes thing. THought that's what I read the first time. Must have saw the other 5 in the post and put it in there. But still I've seen no one say he should only play a handful of minutes. He is playing starter minutes(he is in the top 5 in average minutes) The fact of the matter that I am getting at is that the philosophy of the coaching staff is to play 9 or 10 players and to try not to overuse players(I thought McM was getting overused earlier in the season, he shouldn't have been playing 34 minutes). This leads to the best players not having as many minutes as they would on a team that didn't play like this. They think we are a better team by having fresh legs out there all game rather than wear down a few players. Which also allows us to run more up tempo. I like the break down of minutes in this game. Dalton with the most and JJ right there. And everyone else between 20-24 minutes.

I guess to counter that, if 25+ minutes is "overusing" players than the Strength and Conditioning program is failing.

EDIT: And where did this notion come that if we can run 9-10 players that that instantly equates to success? I would rather run the best 5 more minutes and win then play more bodies and lose...

Yes. This. Why only play James 25 min when he could play 33. You get 8 more minutes of elite James production and 8 fewer minutes of crappy Lieberman or Kelly production. Same applies to Dalton and Adams (statistical analysis show they are literally three times as good as Lieberman and Kelly). We've had some close games and 8 more minutes could easily have been the difference for the Pokes. It's not a hard concept

I agree playing James and Dalton more would help but i think part of it might actually be the strength and conditioning.

Last night I saw Dalton ask to be taken out of the game because he was tired. Also in one of the tribune articles after the New Mexico game Dalton said he wasn't in the game when New Mexico went on that run to go up by 9 late in the game because he was tired. So that makes me wonder if JJ has the same problem and that is why Edwards is spacing out the minutes between so many players.

Ovbiously its a problem for Dalton since he already was quoted as saying he is tired so makes you wonder if other players feel the same.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

UNLV looks very improved since the last game as well. Something I wanted to note. Their new coach has them playing team ball, if he can get those typical UNLV recruits they could be dangerous in the near future. A UNLV team that has great ball movement with its athletes is what the conference really needs.

 

[LanderPoke]

Yes. This. Why only play James 25 min when he could play 33. You get 8 more minutes of elite James production and 8 fewer minutes of crappy Lieberman or Kelly production. Same applies to Dalton and Adams (statistical analysis show they are literally three times as good as Lieberman and Kelly). We've had some close games and 8 more minutes could easily have been the difference for the Pokes. It's not a hard concept

Why does everyone assume it would be Kelley or Lieberman getting their minutes reduced? James is a wing; Lieberman and Kelley are PGs. While they have shown that lineup for stretches, I don't know that they'd play it more even if James' minutes were upped. You'd probably see a minutes reduction for McManamen and/or Aka Gorski.

No. Wrong. There's two 'front cout' players in our offense and three 'back court'. The front court players are interchangeable and the back court players are interchangable. There is no "point guard".

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

UNLV looks very improved since the last game as well. Something I wanted to note. Their new coach has them playing team ball, if he can get those typical UNLV recruits they could be dangerous in the near future. A UNLV team that has great ball movement with its athletes is what the conference really needs.

I think his success is going to be hinged on whether or not he can get High School studs to commit versus going the transfer rout. As Eustachy and Fort Fart has shown us all, you cannot build long term success on the backs of two year players.

But I agree, if Menzies can get 3-4 years out of his players with development and improvement playing the ball they're starting to play, watch out.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Lou Adams played fucking amazing this game

 

[joshvanklomp]

The fact still remains, James NEEDs to play as many minutes as possible. Another stat that bears that out:

In conference play, in our four losses, James averaged 19 minutes a game.
In conference play, in our four wins, James has averaged 21 minutes and 30 seconds a game.

More minutes equals more production.

Against Fresno, he fouled out in just 14 minutes. Fouled out in 19 minutes against Nevada. If he wanted to play more minutes in those losses, maybe he shouldn't have fouled so much.

 

[LanderPoke]

Lou Adams played fucking amazing this game

But not near good enough to push Lieberman off the floor in the waning minutes when we were struggling to score points.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

The fact still remains, James NEEDs to play as many minutes as possible. Another stat that bears that out:

In conference play, in our four losses, James averaged 19 minutes a game.
In conference play, in our four wins, James has averaged 21 minutes and 30 seconds a game.

More minutes equals more production.

Against Fresno, he fouled out in just 14 minutes. Fouled out in 19 minutes against Nevada. If he wanted to play more minutes in those losses, maybe he shouldn't have fouled so much.

No one is debating that. The point of my post was that when he is on the floor for extended minutes, the Pokes have success. Why is that so mind boggling....