It's not one bad season, it's two. It's also his body of work since he's been here. He loses games and he loses players, which causes us to play true freshman too often. Should we put the best player on the field, yes. But many times the true freshman is the best player because we lost the guy that should be playing. If we can schedule two FCS teams per year and be lucky enough to have one, two and three win teams on our schedule each year, maybe we can sniff 8 win seasons. This is the best we'll have with this guy, beating shit teams. So if we play enough shit teams, we'll win games. He's not up to the job. It looked like a good choice, it wasn't, let's try someone else.WestWYOPoke said:
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Two MW coaches on the hot seat?
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fromolwyoming
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2009- 6-6 regular season, a bunch of Freshmen beat out Glenn's recruits for starting spots, and went to, and won the New Mexico Bowl by the skins of their teeth. Offense was abysmal and was worse than it was when this season began, especially on the o-line.cowboyz said:
2010-Offense improved a little bit, were more competitive in games like against BYnerU, but the ball just didn't bounce our way.
2011-Offense becomes much better, especially thanks to a good o-line and Brett Smith. Defense is in the top 5 in the nation in forcing turnovers, beat out winning teams in SUDS and the Howdy Doodys to finish 3rd in the MWC. We were in the game against TCU up until Smith got nailed by Tank Carter in the 4th quarter. Held BSU to 7 points for most of the 1st half until the freak Hail Mary.
2012-Offense gets the yards, especially when Smith is healthy (up until his concussions, he would be driving the offense up and down the field), but the defense is without turnover machines Josh Biezuns and Tashaun Gipson.
We got boat raced by Fresno and BSU, but the other games we were in up until the very end. And the ball has not bounced our way in many of those, but to want give up FBS because "it's too hard" is the bullshit thing to do. Sounds more like what a BYnerU or a Sheep fan would say, rather than a UW fan.
I'm not saying we give up on the FBS. I was just explaining how we got to 8 wins. Two vs FCS teams and three vs teams without a pulse. Many people keep saying that we've run into a lot of bad luck. Maybe Christensen knows what he's doing and is unlucky. Then I say we get rid of him because he's unlucky. Incompetent or unlucky, whatever it is, he doesn't get good results.fromolwyoming said:
Wyo2dal
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WestWYOPoke said:
One bad season?
2009 7-6
2010 3-9
2011 8-5
Sorry but 3-9 wasn't exactly a good season either, The consistency to me shows that he came in and took over a team that had good recruits but maybe not the bets coaching or coaching issues at least. 2011 imo was a lucky season we were lucky we were able to force that many turnovers. If you take all the games from last season that we won by 7 or less and turn them to losses we end the season 4-9 which is really bad.
This is a continuing downward spiral that could easily get out of control. I'd rather not be a fan of a team that only wins when they get lucky in the turnover battle otherwise they sit at the bottom of the conference standings.
OrediggerPoke
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I also don't agree with the "only one bad season" statement.
But more to the point, it is not just about wins/losses in evaluating DC as a head coach, although yes it is probably the biggest factor (and the W/L ratio is not overwhelmingly good). However, it is also about the effects on future recruiting, the image of the University of Wyoming, the attrition in the program, the way the head coach conducts himself, etc...
But more to the point, it is not just about wins/losses in evaluating DC as a head coach, although yes it is probably the biggest factor (and the W/L ratio is not overwhelmingly good). However, it is also about the effects on future recruiting, the image of the University of Wyoming, the attrition in the program, the way the head coach conducts himself, etc...
seattlecowboy
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Wyo2dal said:
+1000
I agree with this and others. It was more than one bad season. Wyoming got lucky with turnovers or it would have been 3 bad seasons.
Also the talk about how Wyoming was in the game against BSU and TCU isn't that accurate either. When Boise decided they wanted to start playing they dominated Wyoming in the 2nd half last year. The TCU game Wyoming was lucky they were even still as close as they were as TCU turned over the ball going in for TD's 3 different times inside the 15 yard if I remember correctly or that game would have been a 4 TD blow out as well.
When you're constantly having to come from behind to beat FCS schools I believe there is a problem as well. I know some FCS schools are getting better and could see it happening once in a great while but also if I remember correctly we had to come from behind to beat Southern Utah, we had to convert a 4th and 10 to beat Weber St. and then we get beat by Cal Poly this year albeit without our starting Qb. Still doesn't make me very confident getting taken down to the wire 3 years in a row by 3 FCS schools. It wasn't like they were 3 FCS schools ranked in the top 10 either. They were mediocre for FCS.
It cracks me up people talking about having to rebuild. We are 1-7 folks, so not sure exactly what would be bad about rebuilding that. The only thing worse would be 0-8.
I'm not saying DC needs to be fired BUT if he does get let go I don't think it will do any more damage to the program than already has been done. If players transfer then oh well, they weren't getting the job done anyway. That's my opinion on it. I doubt the players that will be brought in play any worse. I'm not throwing any players under the bus either but maybe they would actually play better under a different coach, who knows? People can complain about Tormey all they want as well and maybe the defense is his fault but when the defense has been terrible all 4 years a head coach has been at the helm and nothing has changed with coordinator changes then maybe just maybe it's actually the head coaches fault?
Okay, I'll stop ranting. I can see both sides to this issue so whatever does end up happening I'll support it
but I don't see the part about how it will set the program back any further. If Gary Anderson can have Utah St. playing as well as they are in his 4th year and they were actually good last year in his 3rd year as well then Wyoming who pays their coach twice as much should be able to atleast get to a .500 record and a bowl game.
BeachPoke
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Seattle, the defense was changed last year when Tormey was hired. The past bad defenses were those of Marty and he was fired/let go what ever. Its the first year for Chris and I guess we have to wait for another year to see if it pans out because this year it is about the same if not below what we had when Marty was DC.
kahunapoke
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CDC dictates the style of offense and defense - If he wants to run a base four man front with soft zone coverage that's what gets called. The last game where he let the coordinators call the game on their own was the 2010 CSU game - straight from the source
PokeTransplant
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Wyo2dal said:
And if you take all the games we lost by seven or less this year, we are 5-3, with the CSU game making us bowl eligible, and this thread doesn't exist. It works both ways...
Wyo2dal
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I agree it absolutely works both ways but we thought we won the turnover battles because the team was getting to be a better team. Turns out we were just lucky as shit and had seniors that were good at getting those turnovers now that they are gone we aren't getting any.
So do we want to be lucky every year and get to 8-5 or do we want to be good get to 8-5 and be lucky to get to 10+? I'd rather be good and get to 8-5. But that is just my opinion on the subject the year is done now there is no recovery even if we win out that is not a recovery that is still a shit season.
So do we want to be lucky every year and get to 8-5 or do we want to be good get to 8-5 and be lucky to get to 10+? I'd rather be good and get to 8-5. But that is just my opinion on the subject the year is done now there is no recovery even if we win out that is not a recovery that is still a shit season.
J-Rod
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This is the point people are missing. This swinging pendulum will only continue while CDC is head coach. They will live (7-9 wins) and die (1-4 wins) by the turnover ratio, and the current trend suggests more dying than living will occur in future season. This inconsistency will drive fans away.Wyo2dal said:
I'm pretty sure I said this would all happen in the off-season, BTW.
:brick: The numbers do not lie.
