Two MW coaches on the hot seat?

[seattlecowboy]

I know DC and Brandon both like the Spread, but what about running Roach's wishbone option offense? You don't need big guys up front (service academies prove this), and it focuses more on speed. With Smith and Thompson being both dual threat QBs, it would also incorporate Wick, May, and Easton all at once. We would only need to get some actual tight ends.

Paul Roach did not run a wishbone option offense. Where do you think Tiller got his offense from? It was from Paul Roach. :thumb:

Here is a cool little article I found from back in 1988 on Paul Roach

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1067788/1/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[SDPokeFan]

I would be shocked and pissed if UW fired DC. Doing ignorant things like that made us the loser program that we have become.

Dude, we are 1-7. What exactly warrants being fired in your mind?

 

[wyopig]

If they fire Christensen because of booster pressure, then I'm going to quit the Cowboy Joe Club. I'm not going to donate to an organization that lets fans rule the roost. We don't know shit, as much as we'd like to think otherwise.

 

[cheypoke]

Actually if it is true don't be surprised if Gregg Brandon gets the job or someone already on the coaching staff. If they hire from within though my guess would be Gregg Brandon.

And if they decide to clean house (which is not out of the question, let's face it), it means rebuilding. At least we'll have a couple of damn good QBs and tough as nails RBs to build the offense around.

Defense, well, we have a good player here and there, but overall it's a mess.

True they very well could clean house. BUT and it is a big BUT.... I think the main reason they would get rid of Christensen is because they can get out of his contract at this point because of what happened. Maybe not the whole contract but who knows... we know they will not have to pay him his full amount owed.
I doubt that filters down to the assistants though as they were not the ones who had an "episode". Burman already said he doesn't think we are as bad as our record which I would have to agree with to a certain extent. So maybe they keep everyone on the coaching staff still except for the head coach just for the sake of making the transition easier? Or maybe they keep Brandon and let him pick his defensive coordinator.

Or like you said maybe they just clean the whole cupboard out.

Who knows. A lot of "ifs , ans and buts" still .

I think the idea that UW can fire DC and "get out of the contract" because of the incident is misplaced. That might have been true originally (although I have doubts it would have been entirely successful). However, after the fine and suspension, the Howdy-Doody incident could no longer be used an excuse to terminate. The university has already taken its action. So if Burman or boosters or whoever wants DC fired, they better come up with the bucks to buy him out.

Additionally, what are the odds that Smith and Thompson or various other players would stay if DC is canned? I think firing DC means a complete rebuilding. Given the current state of college football, I think that would just about destroy the program.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I also think that we WON'T be starting all over. We have the talent for Gregg Brandon/Joe Tiller type offenses.

You realize that DC does a lot of consulting with Tiller about the spread offense and DC brought in Brandon because they both have a good base knowledge of the same spread formation? Bascially we are already running a Gregg Brandon/Tiller offense.

Yes, thats the point of my post. We won't be starting from ground zero with Tiller and/or Brandon.

The point is, if we ALREADY do this...Why change? If were not starting at ground zero, and we're not changing what we do now, why make a change? You do realize it is Brandon that calls the plays now, not DC, right?

WHY CHANGE???? Do you not pay attention to anything else? Are you related to DC?

Simple answer! We keep our offense in tact. We have the chance to slavage a recruiting class and improve recruiting classes going forward. We get out of the bad contract with DC. If you think DC's rant will have no effect on our ability to recruit players, then you are delusional.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

*DP

 

[TSpoke]

I think the idea that UW can fire DC and "get out of the contract" because of the incident is misplaced. That might have been true originally (although I have doubts it would have been entirely successful). However, after the fine and suspension, the Howdy-Doody incident could no longer be used an excuse to terminate. The university has already taken its action. So if Burman or boosters or whoever wants DC fired, they better come up with the bucks to buy him out.

Additionally, what are the odds that Smith and Thompson or various other players would stay if DC is canned? I think firing DC means a complete rebuilding. Given the current state of college football, I think that would just about destroy the program.

+1 His punishment was the suspension so they can no longer fire him for cause. They might think they could try but I don't think it would hold up in court.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I think the idea that UW can fire DC and "get out of the contract" because of the incident is misplaced. That might have been true originally (although I have doubts it would have been entirely successful). However, after the fine and suspension, the Howdy-Doody incident could no longer be used an excuse to terminate. The university has already taken its action. So if Burman or boosters or whoever wants DC fired, they better come up with the bucks to buy him out.

Additionally, what are the odds that Smith and Thompson or various other players would stay if DC is canned? I think firing DC means a complete rebuilding. Given the current state of college football, I think that would just about destroy the program.

+1 His punishment was the suspension so they can no longer fire him for cause. They might think they could try but I don't think it would hold up in court.

It would never make it that far. There would be a middle ground settlement.

 

[BeachPoke]

Actually if it is true don't be surprised if Gregg Brandon gets the job or someone already on the coaching staff. If they hire from within though my guess would be Gregg Brandon.

And if they decide to clean house (which is not out of the question, let's face it), it means rebuilding. At least we'll have a couple of damn good QBs and tough as nails RBs to build the offense around.

Defense, well, we have a good player here and there, but overall it's a mess.

Your kidding yourselves if you think some of these kids don't move on if DC is let go...nothing is for certain but you can bet
some will leave and then your are talking about a rebuilding of another 6 years to get back to where we are right now. Brett was brought here because of DC, Not Gregg or Chris. Most of these recruiting classes are due to the spread offense and how it's ran(wide open,more passing than running), if its changed then so does the interest from the players.
Can't understand how this is good in any form at all. Not sure about the rest of you guys & girls but I for one would like to see some normality to our program and sustainability for the kids. DC needs to change his attitude for sure but I don't want to start over again. Just look at CSU for kicks and giggles..

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Just look at CSU for kicks and giggles..

Unfortunately, I don't think we will be giggling too much at the improvement of CSU over the next few years...

 

[COS Cowboy]

Just look at CSU for kicks and giggles..

Unfortunately, I don't think we will be giggling too much at the improvement of CSU over the next few years...

What improvement might that be?

 

[J-Rod]

What improvement might that be?

A brand new stadium and excitement that could propel CSU to new levels. Or, at the very least past UW. McElwain is a good coach, and they will get better once recruiting improves.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Apparently, a lot of Wyo fans out there forget that DC is the Reigning MWC Coach of the year. Also that he is coming off of a 8-5 season. When was the last time we won at least 8??? 1998!!! That's right, 14 years ago. Now I'm not saying I'm happy with the current season in any way, but what I am saying is quit acting like a bunch of Nebraska fans and calling for the coach's head because of one bad season.

 

[whyoh]

Apparently, a lot of Wyo fans out there forget that DC is the Reigning MWC Coach of the year. Also that he is coming off of a 8-5 season. When was the last time we won at least 8??? 1998!!! That's right, 14 years ago. Now I'm not saying I'm happy with the current season in any way, but what I am saying is quit acting like a bunch of Nebraska fans and calling for the coach's head because of one bad season.

that's absurd


nebraska fans show up for games





i understand that with my hunting history i am just as guilty as anyone else in this.....it was a completely tongue-in-cheek comment so calm yer shit if you plan on popping off at me

 

[SDPokeFan]

Actually if it is true don't be surprised if Gregg Brandon gets the job or someone already on the coaching staff. If they hire from within though my guess would be Gregg Brandon.

And if they decide to clean house (which is not out of the question, let's face it), it means rebuilding. At least we'll have a couple of damn good QBs and tough as nails RBs to build the offense around.

Defense, well, we have a good player here and there, but overall it's a mess.

Your kidding yourselves if you think some of these kids don't move on if DC is let go...nothing is for certain but you can bet
some will leave and then your are talking about a rebuilding of another 6 years to get back to where we are right now. Brett was brought here because of DC, Not Gregg or Chris. Most of these recruiting classes are due to the spread offense and how it's ran(wide open,more passing than running), if its changed then so does the interest from the players.
Can't understand how this is good in any form at all. Not sure about the rest of you guys & girls but I for one would like to see some normality to our program and sustainability for the kids. DC needs to change his attitude for sure but I don't want to start over again. Just look at CSU for kicks and giggles..

Ummm.....CSU has just as many wins as Wyoming this year. And this All-Star group of players you are scared of transferring have one win this year. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing every single player on defense transfer.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Apparently, a lot of Wyo fans out there forget that DC is the Reigning MWC Coach of the year. Also that he is coming off of a 8-5 season. When was the last time we won at least 8??? 1998!!! That's right, 14 years ago. Now I'm not saying I'm happy with the current season in any way, but what I am saying is quit acting like a bunch of Nebraska fans and calling for the coach's head because of one bad season.

I haven't. Am I concerned about the future of UW football? Of course. And outside of the Texas game and the last 2, we were in every game, until something went wrong (aside from the Idaho game). Toledo Thugs nailed Smith, giving him a major concussion (begining of the issues was this game), lost to Cal Poly (unlike others, I'm not going to attack Capt. Kirk for being on the field and trying to win) which hurt a lot, somehow beat beat Idaho in OT (Smith was 100% and proved it, though the o-line and d-line were having major issues), lost in OT to 2-3 score favored UNR, mainly due to Smith getting ejected (which ended up being from another concussion) and the refs made some questionable calls (or lack thereof in some cases, which even the UNR fans around me agreed with), lost to Howdy Doody when he got the extended time out from his QB's "injury" (and Thompson's first game starting, he shows real promise, but needs to control his throws better), and then we got boatraced the next 2 games.

Some things I noticed over the season were;
1. The line play on both sides was abysmal at the start of the season.
2. The line play drasically improved after the Idaho game on both sides.
3. O-line took a big step back against Fresno.
4. Aside from Ghaali Muhammed and Korey Jones, our linebackers have been abysmal so far.
5. Secondary has been a mess for the most part.
6. Mike Purcell has really stepped up this year and become a force.
7. Wick and May, when the o-line picks up blocks and makes holes, have shown to be real threats on the ground, giving us a good 1-2 punch with Easton being a guy that is good to get a good yard or 2.
8. McNeil is still solid, and Herron, when healthy, is a threat on every down.
9. Smith, when healthy, is one of the best players in the conference. Unfortunetly, 2 concussions has really set him back.
10. Thompson is showing to be just as fired up as Smith is, with a stronger arm. Only real issues are 1. Experience. 2. Needs to control his throws more as he tends to throw too hard on short throws.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Apparently, a lot of Wyo fans out there forget that DC is the Reigning MWC Coach of the year. Also that he is coming off of a 8-5 season. When was the last time we won at least 8??? 1998!!! That's right, 14 years ago. Now I'm not saying I'm happy with the current season in any way, but what I am saying is quit acting like a bunch of Nebraska fans and calling for the coach's head because of one bad season.

A bad season for Nebraska is 5 or 6 wins. Our season includes one win and seven losses, one of which was to Cal-Poly. And you guys can finally quit hanging your hat on Cal-Poly being "undefeated," because they lost last weekend. I can't understand why everyone is so afraid to lose DC. He has a worse record than Glenn and has one win this year. I must be missing something. Even if we do have to "rebuild" and "start over," we are doing so from a one win season. Not exactly hard to climb higher than that for the new coach.

 

[wyopig]

Why are people so sure McElwain is a good coach? Because he came from Alabama? Because he's paid $1.5 million? This is his first head coaching job, and he hasn't proven that he's any good whatsoever. He may end up being good, but what has he done, said, or shown anyone that would prove that to be true?

Dave Christensen won a bowl game in his first season as a head coach with Joe Glenn's players. He won 8 games and was a quarter away from winning a MWC championship in his 3rd year as a head coach. His 4th year has been an absolute disaster. The jury is still out for me on Christensen. I'm not convinced that he can't win conference championships here, but I'm far from convinced that he can. If he could put together even a decent defense that would give Brett Smith even 4 or 5 more possessions per game, we would be pretty solid.

Jim McElwain lost 3 talented defensive players for being thugs. Do those players make that big of a difference? Was the difference in talent at CSU this year all that much worse than Wyoming in 2009? McElwain is leading his team into Laramie as double digit underdogs to a 1-7 team. How much promise does that show in his coaching ability?

To be fair, Tim Miles won about 2 conference basketball games in his first 2 years (both against Schroyer, I believe), and within 4 years or so, he had CSU in the NCAA Tournament. There's still plenty of hope in Ft. Collins for McElwain, but it's just kinda crazy that they're worse this year than they were any year under Fairchild. Still McElwain is a very good coach...according to everyone.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Why are people so sure McElwain is a good coach? Because he came from Alabama? Because he's paid $1.5 million? This is his first head coaching job, and he hasn't proven that he's any good whatsoever. He may end up being good, but what has he done, said, or shown anyone that would prove that to be true?

Dave Christensen won a bowl game in his first season as a head coach with Joe Glenn's players. He won 8 games and was a quarter away from winning a MWC championship in his 3rd year as a head coach. His 4th year has been an absolute disaster. The jury is still out for me on Christensen. I'm not convinced that he can't win conference championships here, but I'm far from convinced that he can. If he could put together even a decent defense that would give Brett Smith even 4 or 5 more possessions per game, we would be pretty solid.

Jim McElwain lost 3 talented defensive players for being thugs. Do those players make that big of a difference? Was the difference in talent at CSU this year all that much worse than Wyoming in 2009? McElwain is leading his team into Laramie as double digit underdogs to a 1-7 team. How much promise does that show in his coaching ability?

To be fair, Tim Miles won about 2 conference basketball games in his first 2 years (both against Schroyer, I believe), and within 4 years or so, he had CSU in the NCAA Tournament. There's still plenty of hope in Ft. Collins for McElwain, but it's just kinda crazy that they're worse this year than they were any year under Fairchild. Still McElwain is a very good coach...according to everyone.

DC won a bowl his first year with Glenns recruits? Are you serious? Playing 23 freshman throughout the year wasn't a give away that he pretty much did that with his own recruits...in key positions.

DC has had success and failures with his own recruits. His fourth year could have had a change had we not had injury problems to several key players. Do I think we have room for improvement? Absolutely. Especially on defense, but we have several young and inexperienced guys this year who will be better next year. They will no longer be in a transition phase, which if you've ever coached anything you would see that whenever there is a coaching change. Next year that is no longer an issue, I think players will be more adapted to their roles and will play better Def.
But overall, I think we have been a good team without success this year. Only two bad losses, Texas was closer than the score indicated and all the other could have had far different outcomes had we been healthy.

 

[cowboyz]

-I have maintained that Christensen should be let go and that there is now a significant chance of such termination at the end of the season. (Before the video 0% chance of termination) (No I don't have an inside source and my credibility is subject to my gut feeling belief)

-Christensen's offensive coaching ability and past ability to recruit skill position talent is not questioned. The ability to recruit in light of the recent video is very much so in doubt.

-I would have a lot of enthusiasm for the future of the program if we could get Joe Tiller to agree to oversee any transition.

I agree he should be gone. I question Christensen's offensive coaching ability at the Head Coach position. It is a joke. Not only is his record worse that Glenn's at this point, but so is the scoring output. So much for 3 yards and a cloud of dust...it got us more points.

Well since I watched the exact same BS vanilla play calling when DC wasn't on the field. I'd say your beloved Brandon is at fault.

It's Christensen's team, whether he's on the sidelines or home licking his wounds or washing his mouth out with soap. Do you think he doesn't direct both the offense and the defense, he's the Head Coach? The OC and the DC carry out the strategy that is planned (with Christensen at the helm) during the games. Do you think these two guys just wing it? I don't know how you figure Brandon is my beloved. I think he's worlds ahead of Arroyo, but I think you would be as well.