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kansasCowboy
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Brew_Poke said:
We had two quick 3 and outs in a row and then a pick. I'm sure this is why most everyone is riled at the offense. SJS scored on all three of those possessions. But if people recall the first of those possessions that WYO stalled on, Miller got one yard rushing, Wick came in and went for only two yards on the ground the next play. We then flared it out to Gentry, who ended up just under a yard shy of the first down.
The next possession was similar where we were stopped rushing the ball and Smith hit Miller in the flats and he ended up two yards shy of the sticks.
Then Smith just made a bad read and miss timed his pass to Gentry down the middle of the field.
We want to blast DC and the offense for that but all great offenses stall Oregon has stalled two possessions in a row. Texas Tech and A&M do too. It's inevitable. The only drop is the D never stopping SJS.
We got back on track and made more great plays on the offense throughout the rest of the game. They even did their job and got us all tied back up in their last possession, but the D allowed SJS to dink and dunk all the way down the field for a 5 + min td drive and gave us zero time on the clock to answer. Had the role been reversed and WYO had the ball for the go ahead td, with exception of having a home run play you would have seen us do the same thing, dining and dunking all the way to a score and eating up clock.
Honestly, had we slowed our offense down in this game, I'm guaranteeing we lose by multiple Tds.
COS Cowboy
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Brew_Poke said:
That's kind of my point. When it's a "who get's the ball last" type of game, where neither defense can get a stop, what difference does it make if it's shortened by 3 or 4 possessions?
McPeachy
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kansasCowboy said:
That is your opinion. And I wholeheartedly disagree. If UW runs a methodical, precise, clock managing offense the last 2 games (CSewe & SJSU), I guarantee one would have been closer, and the other we would have won. Guarantee it.
It is a team game. Defense is part of that team. And (again my opinion) the hurry up 3 & out offense doesn't work for the team right now. I could give a damn if UW scores 60 points a game...if they give up 61!
If you don't like my opinion, you certainly don't have to comment on it either.
It seems I always get in on these conversations late! LOL Oh well here is my two cents. Our Offense is as lethal as any I have seen all of my years in Wyoming. They are capable of a big score and scoring often! Kansas hit it ion the head with players like Smith, Ruferon, Herron, Wick, and I would even throw in Gentry (that kid is going to be good) our offense is incredibly fun to watch. The problem is when we score quick or when we are three and out, then our less than proficient defense has to take the field. Now many old timers would argue that time of possession is one of the biggest indicators of success. With our current team I would tend to agree with that. However with even an average defense that is far from the truth. We can outscore most every team in the MWC IF our defense was just average. However they are not. So having said that we have a problem.........do we pull the reins back on a powerhouse offense or do we fix the defensive problem? This year I think you have to do a little of both. Stay with the no huddle offense but make the play call a little later in the play clock. Get off of the script and react to defensive fronts and coverages. I really believe the defense will be better by virtue of playing with more emotion and simplifying the coverages. Combined I think we will be competitive in the next three games with a chance to upset one of the big three. I am optimistic here thinking we will beat Hawaii and upset on of the big three and get to a bowl game.
Bingo. It's not as much time of possession as it is controlling the tempo of the game to your advantage. If your defense can't get off the field before the opponent's in the red zone you have adjust. It almost appears Christensen has confused tempo control with time of possession (while related, they aren't interchangeable) and doesn't understand this enough to see the necessity of in-game adjustments.jarhead said:
kansasCowboy
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McPeachy said:
Methodical and precise. Those are key words to
Use whe your offense is rolling. The CSU game we were playing nowhere near either of those words. Fast or slow, if your offense didn't show methodical and precise go right out the window, along with everything you prepared for all week long.
Last week I'm sure had we not had close to 16 big plays and around six home run plays our time of possession would've looked a lot different. I'm sure you could've added significant time to our TOP if we had to dink and dunk all day long as well. Which in all honesty is what we did. That 93 home run td pass to Herron that was a 10 yard out route. All of our runs start behind the line.
So I guess big play ability is mostly what your against? So let's make sure when Herron breaks out we have him get 15 yards only and then go to a knee. That way we keep the clock moving. Screw the td! That's not as important as TOP. When Wick and Miller break a run, at 10 yards we need them to take a knee so we can keep clock management. Screw trying to bust out for a td. Slow, methodical and precise... You know what I'm hearing, the opposite, and what you have always complained about. slow, methodical and precise, sounds like "Vanilla, Vanilla and Play to not lose in the second half."
McPeachy
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kansasCowboy said:
Holy shit. Having a conversation / argument with you is like wrestling with a pig in mud - at some point the realization comes that the pig enjoys it. I don't.
Let me say it again, just in case you missed it:
"If UW runs a methodical, precise, clock managing offense the last 2 games (CSewe & SJSU), I guarantee one would have been closer, and the other we would have won. Guarantee it.
It is a team game. Defense is part of that team. And (again my opinion) the hurry up 3 & out offense doesn't work for the team right now. I could give a damn if UW scores 60 points a game...if they give up 61!"
Reading your post, you certainly must not agree (even though you have a rant above about Brett, Herron, Rufran, Wick, et al) that we have the talent to be methodical and precise? Again, I disagree with you, I think we HAVE THE TALENT TO BE METHODICAL AND PRESICE. So why not use that talent to our advantage - be methodical and precise, and keep our defense off the field longer - so we can WIN SOME GAMES!?
YankPoke
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We utilize the talent on offense to the fullest being a fast paced hurry up team. If we slowed things down the offense would be nowhere near as effective, look to the Gregg Brandon seasons when we were a slow methodical offense. DC does the right thing with the hurry up and should change nothing on the offensive side of the ball, the sole reason why we are a 500 football team is a terrible defense, and offense has absolutely NOTHING to do with that. Oregon runs at an even faster pace, yet their defense is number 2 in the nation, how fast you run your offense does not matter at all to the defensive side of the football. They just simply need to play better defensively and the offense needs to keep doing what they are doing.
Pokes Forever
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Other than Air Force, the Offense has disappeared at times in each game, just last week they were up 30-14 and didn't score again until they were behind.....they even contributed to the comeback with the fumble.....they were non existent against TxSt and CSU and did nothing against New Mexico until they had blown a 21 point lead! Team game and yes the D sucks, but the O is not blameless and let's not get into Special Teams!YankPoke said:
