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Tormey Fired

If the players are the same, I'm not sure the results will change much. I don't know how much changing the scheme can hide the fact that we don't have much speed from the secondary and linebackers. I see opposing receivers run by us like we are stuck in cement.

I was real happy when we fired Schroyer. But it had no effect on the rest of the season. I doubt this will either.
 
Although Hayes had exactly zero tackles in the game (I have no idea how a corner getting picked on cant manage at least one assisted tackle ) his replacement Cortland Fort let a receiver blow right by him for an easy TD. So that position isn't looking good. The thing that bothered me the most is that San Jose was supposedly awful in the red zone this year. We gave zero effort on red zone plays. The two point conversions were so easy for a team that sucks in the red zone. Firing Tormey is a start, but our players have to be accountable on the field. There is supposed to be trust at the defensive position next to you. I wouldn't trust anyone on our defense because there is zero accountability. Hopefully Cain can instill some accountability among these players. He has a passion for the game and I hope it can transfer over to the players.
 
bladerunnr said:
If the players are the same, I'm not sure the results will change much. I don't know how much changing the scheme can hide the fact that we don't have much speed from the secondary and linebackers. I see opposing receivers run by us like we are stuck in cement.

I was real happy when we fired Schroyer. But it had no effect on the rest of the season. I doubt this will either.
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Correct. Schemes don't drop interceptions. Schemes don't get blown off the line of scrimmage. Schemes aren't able to shed blockers and put pressure on a QB.

Skill and technique are still being taught by the same people, minus one guy.
 
What schemes CAN do, however, is set players up to NOT fail................(as much) :grenade:
 
HOLD THE PHONE! Wasn't the defensive line one of the weakest spots in the team? So you're making the defensive line coach head of all defense? Huh?
 
Cain may not have DC experience at this level, but at Cal Poly they weren't exactly sluffs on defense. I hope he succeeds and gives the defense a much needed boost. We saw the Tormey firing the day he was hired, I don't think you could find anyone on this particular message board who thought he was the answer. Cain's time to prove he can do something. He just has to be average for this team to be successful.
 
Adv8RU12 said:
HOLD THE PHONE! Wasn't the defensive line one of the weakest spots in the team? So you're making the defensive line coach head of all defense? Huh?
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I was thinking the same thing. Looking at our defensive staff, though, I'm thinking he's our best choice. Ross has been doing a fantastic job with the LB's, but a terrible job with special teams. Renaldo Hill is way too green in the coaching world to be a coordinator. Hill is our best bet with who we have on staff right now.
 
MrTitleist said:
Cain may not have DC experience at this level, but at Cal Poly they weren't exactly sluffs on defense. I hope he succeeds and gives the defense a much needed boost. We saw the Tormey firing the day he was hired, I don't think you could find anyone on this particular message board who thought he was the answer. Cain's time to prove he can do something. He just has to be average for this team to be successful.
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This is exactly what I think. Hell, three stops and our team wins some of these games. Utah State's D keeps them in every game. They simply ask the Freshmen QB to NOT mess up a lot and manage the game. That is all I ask of Cain at this point; manage the game and dont give up big plays (like 5 or more vs SJSU) Everyone needs to fire Cain an email with support and optimism. I think he has the fight to inspire some guys to make plays.
 
I understand looking at this from a fans standpoint, but some of you on here, whether you have coaching experience, straight up knowledge of the game or just want to throw blame and make rash decisions need to understand that NO team in this country would have a successful defense if they had 3 D Coord in 3 years.
Marty English was horrid. DC gets rid of him.
From what I remember hearing Tormey was not DCs first choice, but we ended up landing him anyway. Probably due from lack of pay we give our assistants.
Last year was Tormeys transition year. Players need to get used to a new coach, need to learn his tendencies and even learn his play calling. We sucked on D and it was to be expected. What really screwed Tormey was he had spent his first year all for not since we transitioned yet again to a different base D in a 3-4. So players who now at least know the coach has to transition his players tendencies and different play calling. Essentially, we've had the equivalent of three D coords in three years. So whether we have DC next year or not get ready for the equivalent of four D coords in four years and whomever it is having minimal success yet again.

I'm in no way defending Tormey, I didn't like him either, but I also know we need massive stability on our defensive side of the ball starting with our Def coaches, but the way we've gone about this does not and will not give success. Not how everyone wants it too anyway.
 
Ok, Like kansasCowboy I have a little coaching experience. I see this as a political move more than anything. The players may play harder and perhaps with more emotion at least initially. But I have a hard time believing they will change the base defense in a week's worth of practice. You still have the same personal, and the same blitz and coverage packages. From talking to my son a lot of the poor play is because the players have a hard time understanding coverage. He plays against them every day and there is always confusion with secondary coverage. They practice today and tomorrow then they are off until Sunday evening meetings. Other than that next week is a normal game prep schedule so consequently I don't see big changes coming. Perhaps the best we can hope for is simplifying coverages and changing up our stunt calls. Couple this with new energy and emotion and who knows what can happen. Go Pokes.
 
jarhead said:
Ok, Like kansasCowboy I have a little coaching experience. I see this as a political move more than anything. The players may play harder and perhaps with more emotion at least initially. But I have a hard time believing they will change the base defense in a week's worth of practice. You still have the same personal, and the same blitz and coverage packages. From talking to my son a lot of the poor play is because the players have a hard time understanding coverage. He plays against them every day and there is always confusion with secondary coverage. They practice today and tomorrow then they are off until Sunday evening meetings. Other than that next week is a normal game prep schedule so consequently I don't see big changes coming. Perhaps the best we can hope for is simplifying coverages and changing up our stunt calls. Couple this with new energy and emotion and who knows what can happen. Go Pokes.
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Wasn't Tormey also the DBs coach?
 
fromolwyoming said:
jarhead said:
Ok, Like kansasCowboy I have a little coaching experience. I see this as a political move more than anything. The players may play harder and perhaps with more emotion at least initially. But I have a hard time believing they will change the base defense in a week's worth of practice. You still have the same personal, and the same blitz and coverage packages. From talking to my son a lot of the poor play is because the players have a hard time understanding coverage. He plays against them every day and there is always confusion with secondary coverage. They practice today and tomorrow then they are off until Sunday evening meetings. Other than that next week is a normal game prep schedule so consequently I don't see big changes coming. Perhaps the best we can hope for is simplifying coverages and changing up our stunt calls. Couple this with new energy and emotion and who knows what can happen. Go Pokes.
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Wasn't Tormey also the DBs coach?
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Just the safeties, Hill is the CB position coach.
 
I'd like to add in to the guy's talking about Hayes, at least this kid was in a position to get his hands on the ball. His only problem is he only 5-9(closer to 5-8). The guy I was disappointed with was Reese. He looked totally lost out there most of the time. Hope the kid's get fired up for Cain and can get this back on track.
 
zappinpoke said:
I'd like to add in to the guy's talking about Hayes, at least this kid was in a position to get his hands on the ball. His only problem is he only 5-9(closer to 5-8). The guy I was disappointed with was Reese. He looked totally lost out there most of the time. Hope the kid's get fired up for Cain and can get this back on track.
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I like that his hands are on the ball...but he needs to catch 1 out of every 5 at least. Reese has been a huge disappointment.

How I miss the days of safeties like Al Rich, Wendling and Pro. They just got it. Smart, athletic.
 
Last thing...if DC truly wants to save his ass - regardless who is the D - Coordinator, he needs to lose the hurry up offense bullshit, and control the clock (and more importantly the opponent possessions). Any idiot should be able to see it...don't know if the stubborn prick in him won't allow him to change or not though. If UW limits SJSU last week to 3 or 4 less possessions (with the capability of maybe limiting them to 6 less possessions if not more), UW wins.

We all know our D can't stop a pack of turtles, so why expose them and set them up for failure. I don't get it. We have talent on the O-side, how about using it! Let them get settled...let them look at the defensive alignment and make changes if necessary. Let Brett do what Brett does best! Let the recievers visualize a little!

Change or be changed Dave.
 
McPeachy said:
Last thing...if DC truly wants to save his ass - regardless who is the D - Coordinator, he needs to lose the hurry up offense bullshit, and control the clock (and more importantly the opponent possessions). Any idiot should be able to see it...don't know if the stubborn prick in him won't allow him to change or not though. If UW limits SJSU last week to 3 or 4 less possessions (with the capability of maybe limiting them to 6 less possessions if not more), UW wins.

We all know our D can't stop a pack of turtles, so why expose them and set them up for failure. I don't get it. We have talent on the O-side, how about using it! Let them get settled...let them look at the defensive alignment and make changes if necessary. Let Brett do what Brett does best! Let the recievers visualize a little!

Change or be changed Dave.
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The hurry up works to our offenses advantage. It gives the other team's defense much less time to get in place and gives us more openings for both the run and the pass. It also limits how much pressure the opposing defense can bring because they don't have time to set up for blitzes or get the calls in from sidelines except for more vanilla style. When we slowed down against SJSU, it gave their defense time to make adjustments and get pressure into the backfield. Our o-line has issues with pass protection, they get pushed around too much. If the defense is allowed to bring more pressure, Smith is almost always forced out of the pocket.
 
fromolwyoming said:
McPeachy said:
Last thing...if DC truly wants to save his ass - regardless who is the D - Coordinator, he needs to lose the hurry up offense bullshit, and control the clock (and more importantly the opponent possessions). Any idiot should be able to see it...don't know if the stubborn prick in him won't allow him to change or not though. If UW limits SJSU last week to 3 or 4 less possessions (with the capability of maybe limiting them to 6 less possessions if not more), UW wins.

We all know our D can't stop a pack of turtles, so why expose them and set them up for failure. I don't get it. We have talent on the O-side, how about using it! Let them get settled...let them look at the defensive alignment and make changes if necessary. Let Brett do what Brett does best! Let the recievers visualize a little!

Change or be changed Dave.
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The hurry up works to our offenses advantage. It gives the other team's defense much less time to get in place and gives us more openings for both the run and the pass. It also limits how much pressure the opposing defense can bring because they don't have time to set up for blitzes or get the calls in from sidelines except for more vanilla style. When we slowed down against SJSU, it gave their defense time to make adjustments and get pressure into the backfield. Our o-line has issues with pass protection, they get pushed around too much. If the defense is allowed to bring more pressure, Smith is almost always forced out of the pocket.
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Did we watch the same game last Saturday? I never saw UW slow it down...I saw UW hurry as fast as they can to go 3 & out, and get that vaunted defense back on the field to give up another score.

There is more disadvantage to advantage (by far) with UW and the hurry up clusterfuck. As I stated, it exposes the greatest weakness - the defense. And it sets up the defense to fail almost every time. I also thought to myself about 4 or 5 times, "why the fuck don't we slow down to complete that crucial 3rd & 4...instead of rushing it and having Brett throw a turd, or the WR not run a crisp route?"
 
McPeachy,

I think you're right. However, I think that DC didn't realize just how crappy our D was until the csewe game. I hadn't even got to my seat and we were down 7-0. Our O is going 3 and out and they are running it down our throat. I think DC thinks that we can outscore the other team. That our offense is going to score at will and that our d will stop the other team just enough for us to win a shootout. That theory was destroyed against San Jose. We gave up 37 points in the second half and all 51 points in the last 3 quarters. No offense I'm aware of can overcome that. Unless they are playing us.

The game plan you suggest is absolutely necessary against Fresno or they might score 80. If we don't get some 7 or 8 minute drives, it's going to be a loooooooooong game.
 
kdwrightuwyo said:
Do the 'Boys play with more emotion and heart now?

Does Cain light a fire under their asses and inspire them?

Do we lose any current players on the roster now?

Impacts on recruiting?

I'd rather play aggressively and get burnt than play soft and still get burnt...but that's just me.
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Lose current players? Impact recruiting? I certainly hope there aren't any Wyoming defense players thinking, "Well if I can't have Tormey here to coach an all-time shitty defense, I'm leaving."
 
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