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Tormey Fired
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BeaverPoke
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Wyovanian said:
You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.
Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?
And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.
Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.
fromolwyoming
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Well, our starter where Hayes is at did get injured for the season against Nebraska. So really he's the #2 at best.wyokoke said:
But I hope to see more man to man along with some blitzes on occassion. And by blitz, I mean more than just the Buck linebacker. I'm talking 5-6 guys making a beeline for the other team's backfield.
djm19
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well..... what a difference a a night can make. Wow.
Vorel needs to dig up the dirt. Was it DC throwing him under the bus. Did Sternberg force his hand?
I am okay with this. Part of me feels bad whenever someone gets fired. The old saying, "you play the hand your dealt." Maybe Tormey just doesnt have the peices to be successful right now. On the other hand, look at USC this year. Fired the coach and the players seem more motivated to play for the new guy.
Another thing. Wyoming has to follow suit of other schools and start recruiting ATHLETES and not so much position specific. I AM NOT SAYING to stop doing that. Just saying go to some of these high schools and try and recruit the best players on the field. THEN COACH THEM UP! BYU, Utah, TCU all did that. So many players out on the field did not play those positions in HS. Once to college, the coaches coached them to be a DB or WR or LB. So, yes, although Tormey may not have the ideal players, maybe they were lacking coaching.
Vorel needs to dig up the dirt. Was it DC throwing him under the bus. Did Sternberg force his hand?
I am okay with this. Part of me feels bad whenever someone gets fired. The old saying, "you play the hand your dealt." Maybe Tormey just doesnt have the peices to be successful right now. On the other hand, look at USC this year. Fired the coach and the players seem more motivated to play for the new guy.
Another thing. Wyoming has to follow suit of other schools and start recruiting ATHLETES and not so much position specific. I AM NOT SAYING to stop doing that. Just saying go to some of these high schools and try and recruit the best players on the field. THEN COACH THEM UP! BYU, Utah, TCU all did that. So many players out on the field did not play those positions in HS. Once to college, the coaches coached them to be a DB or WR or LB. So, yes, although Tormey may not have the ideal players, maybe they were lacking coaching.
thirtyseven
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My day just got better!
Hope we see some improvement and I agree we need more pressure on the QB especially against Fresno or he will kill us!
Hope we see some improvement and I agree we need more pressure on the QB especially against Fresno or he will kill us!
kdwrightuwyo
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Do the 'Boys play with more emotion and heart now?
Does Cain light a fire under their asses and inspire them?
Do we lose any current players on the roster now?
Impacts on recruiting?
I'd rather play aggressively and get burnt than play soft and still get burnt...but that's just me.
Does Cain light a fire under their asses and inspire them?
Do we lose any current players on the roster now?
Impacts on recruiting?
I'd rather play aggressively and get burnt than play soft and still get burnt...but that's just me.
because of the situation the only way this season is salvaged is if we hit the 6 win mark, and some kind of bowl, with DC's high contract and buyout, there's no way they'll rid him this year, but next year with Brett being a Senior, if it's another 6-6 season then I think DC will be packing his bags!!!
BeaverPoke
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stymeman said:
I feel you. But then again some people could make the argument that Wyoming has gone to 4 bowls in 6 years....have we ever hit that mark?
Not saying it is good because all 4 are very likely to be the NM Bowl (assuming we actually get there this season).
But some people (Tom Burman) would look at that and cream in their pants.
It really just depends on the new president.
Does he accept that? I guarantee you that if OK-State was making the NM Bowl 4 times in 6 seasons, and missing bowl eligibility in the other 2 years would get you fired so quick no one would even be surprised. Does he bring that attitude to Laramie and the U of W?
Cain coaches the D line and they haven't exactly been world beaters this year. I believe this is nothing more than DC trying to cover his ass. I sincerely hope Cain is the best defensive coordinator on the planet and the Pokes win out. But the problems at UW run far deeper than Tormey. This is simply a smoke screen to take the heat off DC and Burman. Tormey was a mistake from the beginning and should have been gone at the end of last year. DC kept him (similar to Burman hanging on to Schroyer), and at some point DC needs to be held accountable for the shit product he has on the field.
Wyolie Coyote
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And at some point Burman needs to be judged by the success of the athletic programs under his tenure. Or should I say the complete lack of success?! Bad hires, bad extensions, CJC is a mess with personnel, etc..... But we have suites now.CowboyNV said:
J-Rod
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Needed to happen. But this hardly changes anything. The defense isn't going to magically start playing well....Texas has improved because they hired a big -named DC Greg Robinson mid-season......its unlikely UW will do the same. This is CDC's last ditch effort to save himself.....
But blaming the defense solely on Tormey is disingenuous. Even if they do improve, it will be slightly AT BEST. They won't be the 85' Bears against Fresno. I'm glad he's finally gone, that's a good thing for the future. But mid-season firings for any coach are rarely a good thing.
But blaming the defense solely on Tormey is disingenuous. Even if they do improve, it will be slightly AT BEST. They won't be the 85' Bears against Fresno. I'm glad he's finally gone, that's a good thing for the future. But mid-season firings for any coach are rarely a good thing.
djm19
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The next four games could be interesting or a complete tailspin. Cain has no real experience at this level as a D coord. In all honesty, Fresno State, Boise State and Utah State O coord are probably licking their chops.
Will the players respond to Cain? Maybe. If we think that he will come in and turn the ship around the next four games...aint happening. Tormey gone is a start, but Cain can't make Hayes stop dropping picks either.
Will the players respond to Cain? Maybe. If we think that he will come in and turn the ship around the next four games...aint happening. Tormey gone is a start, but Cain can't make Hayes stop dropping picks either.
BeaverPoke
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The way I see it, is it's like the season is starting all over again.
But this time it's a 4 game schedule. We need to go 2-2 to get bowl eligible. We open the season with a big time ranked opponent.
Things we knew going into Nebraska: We have a very good offense, and awesome QB. And a bad defense.
Things we know going into the Fresno game: We have a very good offense, an awesome QB AND an awesome RB. And a bad defense.
Can the team get up to play the ranked opponent? Are they re-energized? With potentially bad weather, will that limit Fresno's pass attack and make them try and run the ball, which they haven't been able to do all season?
If it's nice out, can we slow Carr down enough for Brett and Wick to keep us in it?
Personally, I hope it's a cold windy night.
Carr won't be able to pass the way he normally does, and Brett and Wick can run all over the defense.
Is that the same as getting Fresno's best? Hell no. I just want the win. Cold weather, warm weather, Carr, no Carr, whatever, I just want to win.
But this time it's a 4 game schedule. We need to go 2-2 to get bowl eligible. We open the season with a big time ranked opponent.
Things we knew going into Nebraska: We have a very good offense, and awesome QB. And a bad defense.
Things we know going into the Fresno game: We have a very good offense, an awesome QB AND an awesome RB. And a bad defense.
Can the team get up to play the ranked opponent? Are they re-energized? With potentially bad weather, will that limit Fresno's pass attack and make them try and run the ball, which they haven't been able to do all season?
If it's nice out, can we slow Carr down enough for Brett and Wick to keep us in it?
Personally, I hope it's a cold windy night.
Carr won't be able to pass the way he normally does, and Brett and Wick can run all over the defense.
Is that the same as getting Fresno's best? Hell no. I just want the win. Cold weather, warm weather, Carr, no Carr, whatever, I just want to win.
J-Rod
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This move introduces a lot of doubt in the department. CDC made this move to push the blame elsewhere.....he knows he may be next. Hard if you're an athlete to not be wondering what is next for this team....I really would not be shocked if the team completely bombs from here on out. Mid-season firings of coordinators lead to bad things 99% of the time.
