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Too early for optimism?

I'm also not buying that we're championship ready next year either. To put some things into perspective, our last championship team starting line-up was Straight, D Richardson, Bailey, Davis, and Uche. Does any of our current players even make the starting lineup if they were on that team? Even though I think Nance is a stud, he is even having a hard time beating out Josh Davis. Maybe someone beats out Straight too, but I think you get the idea that there is a talent disparity between the teams. And there was some depth on that team too, McFall (he may have graduated before our NCAA appearance, but it still proves my point), Corner, Ugo, Mingo, Rottinghaus, Ries. I don't think it is that far-fetched if a few of those guys get significant playing time on this year's team, and have an outside chance at starting.

Again, I'm not saying I'm unsatisfied with Shyatt and the team or anything. I just think that we sometimes forget how low we were as a program before Shyatt, and how far we still kind of are in getting to championship level.
 
PokeTransplant said:
Can i be optimistic now?
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Absolutely, but I wouldn't expect this team to win out for the rest of the year though. It seems alot of people who were naysayers 12 hours ago are now saying we're never going to lose again. haha.
 
BackHarlowRoad said:
PokeTransplant said:
Can i be optimistic now?
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Absolutely, but I wouldn't expect this team to win out for the rest of the year though. It seems alot of people who were naysayers 12 hours ago are now saying we're never going to lose again. haha.
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I'm not one to make that bold of a prediction. But, given what just happened...these guys honestly believe in themselves and fans are starting to believe in them as well. I think we see a team that could possibly run the rest of the table and set themselves up nicely for the conference tourney. Nobody wants to play us in the tourney, that I can be pretty sure of...
 
Yeah, we can start to be a little more optomistic haha. There are a couple of things that still kinda stink though. 1.)It's too bad that we aren't really all that close to being considered for the big dance, because this was one of those wins that could really help a bubble team. I'm still kinda thinking we won't make the NIT either, but hey, the thought is crossing my mind now at least. 2.)It's only going to count as 1 win in the standings. I'm convinced now that we won't finish any lower than 5th in the conference this year, and even pretty convinced we can pass Nevada too (not so convinced on passing UNLV), but Boise State still worries me a little.

It was a great way to turn the corner into what I feel is a reasonably easy part of the schedule though. We just need to play like we still have some things to prove. We played a complete game last night with good efficient offense and pretty good defense (well, except for the rebounding part, allowing 21 offensive rebounds is just inexcusable), but you ask any SDSU fan and I'm sure they'll agree that your fortunes can change in just 1 game. We still need to prove that we can beat quality teams on the road and that BSU wasn't a fluke. As a fan I always hope for the best, but be prepared for the worse too.
 
I think this is going to be close - very close. 20 wins gets SOME post season tournament. 19 wins only maybe.
This should be doable, with the best chances, as I see it, are homeys against CSU and AF and the road at SJSU (barring an exhaustion letdown from San Diego). Then they need at least one more. This is not going to be as easy as some think, IMHO.
 
Do you want some optimism? Try this:

In the last 7 games of the season, Wyoming will only play teams that are currently below us in the conference standings. So far this year, we've only lost 1 game to any of those teams. We absolutely have the ability to run the table. I'm not guaranteeing that it'll happen, but the Pokes should really win every game left on the schedule. Every game is tough...especially road games at CSU and Utah State. Fortunately, the Pokes are playing their best basketball of the year right now.

Look at the last 4 games. We blow out Utah State at home, we nearly steal 2 road wins in a couple of the toughest venues, honestly, in the country, then we come home and beat the #5 team in the country...and we made it look reasonably easy. Yet, according to one dumbass poster on this board, Wyoming is a shitty team that will get swept by CSU. We'll see about that.
 
loving the love/hate in these threads, that's why its more fun to take them a game at a time, we CANNOT have any let downs this weekend in San Jose, I feel good about where we are and whatever happens so be it, I do know this years MWC tourney is gonna be a fun one to watch, sure hope I win that trip!!!! GO POKES
 
wyopig said:
Do you want some optimism? Try this:

In the last 7 games of the season, Wyoming will only play teams that are currently below us in the conference standings. So far this year, we've only lost 1 game to any of those teams. We absolutely have the ability to run the table. I'm not guaranteeing that it'll happen, but the Pokes should really win every game left on the schedule. Every game is tough...especially road games at CSU and Utah State. Fortunately, the Pokes are playing their best basketball of the year right now.

Look at the last 4 games. We blow out Utah State at home, we nearly steal 2 road wins in a couple of the toughest venues, honestly, in the country, then we come home and beat the #5 team in the country...and we made it look reasonably easy. Yet, according to one dumbass poster on this board, Wyoming is a shitty team that will get swept by CSU. We'll see about that.
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Despite what you think I actually agree with you on most points. And I also feel that the things that have happened this week have changed my opinion in a few areas. Last night's win convinced me that we've turned a corner that we had yet to turn still. There was never any doubt in my mind that we were getting better as the season went on, but last night we finally played championship-caliber ball against a good opponent. Never did I say we were a shitty team, I just felt that "close but not quite" was a low bar. We are clearly playing our best basketball at the right moment now though.

I'm also more optimistic on how we finish in the conference. I think we finish 4th conservatively, and 3rd optimistically, but in my defense none of that was possible without last night's upset. I still don't think we pass UNLV and I still think we need to beware of BSU, but I wouldn't be shocked if we finish 3rd either. CSU doesn't really worry me anymore in terms of standings like I thought last week. You'd have to take my words out of context to think that I ever said they would sweep us, I was just thought (and still do think) that we're probably gonna split with, not sweep them. But again, I'm not shocked if we sweep them either.

The only points where we disagree vastly are that I'm not convinced we make a deep tourney run this year, or that we win the championship next year. Depending on our seeding, we'll only get 1 "easy" game, and the rest I just feel are dogfights on a neutral court in a tourney we've never really excelled in. Next year, I feel we'll get close but just fall short of the reg season title. All in all though, there's still lots of time left, and I wouldn't be sad if they continue to prove me wrong.
 
Hey Pig, is the person you were talking about who said we were shitty due to bad coaching and worse off than CSU also start saying after last night's win that he would be very disappointed if we didn't sweep the sheep?

COMPLETE 180?
 
BackHarlowRoad said:
Hey Pig, is the person you were talking about who said we were shitty due to bad coaching and worse off than CSU also start saying after last night's win that he would be very disappointed if we didn't sweep the sheep?

COMPLETE 180?
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It is indeed
 
BackHarlowRoad said:
Hey Pig, is the person you were talking about who said we were shitty due to bad coaching and worse off than CSU also start saying after last night's win that he would be very disappointed if we didn't sweep the sheep?

COMPLETE 180?
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Yeah Wyo fans never get too high or too low.
 
BeaverPoke said:
BackHarlowRoad said:
Hey Pig, is the person you were talking about who said we were shitty due to bad coaching and worse off than CSU also start saying after last night's win that he would be very disappointed if we didn't sweep the sheep?

COMPLETE 180?
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Yeah Wyo fans never get too high or too low.
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Ha, nope not at all.

I'm looking forward to the posts after our next loss that will be calling out Shyatt and discussing how we have all "accepted mediocrity" all over again.
 
No need to get owly at Wyoming fans that don't like mediocrity. I sure as hell don't.

When you were tellin us all to get on ol DC's wagon you WERE defendin mediocrity-or worse.
Shyatt is not mediocre.Win or lose he's the genuine article.

When you run down other Poke fans that are troubled by the lack of leadership at UW in certain areas by usin Shyatt as an example, you are either showin us all that you cant tell the difference yerself, or yer just nursin a grudge over bein wrong bout DC.
 
WyoAlum1987 said:
No need to get owly at Wyoming fans that don't like mediocrity. I sure as hell don't.

When you were tellin us all to get on ol DC's wagon you WERE defendin mediocrity-or worse.
Shyatt is not mediocre.Win or lose he's the genuine article.

When you run down other Poke fans that are troubled by the lack of leadership at UW in certain areas by usin Shyatt as an example, you are either showin us all that you cant tell the difference yerself, or yer just nursin a grudge over bein wrong bout DC.
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Who exactly you talking to? If you're talking to me, you have completely misunderstood my post.
 
Wyoming fans have suffered in FB and BB for the better part of 20 years. I understand the jaded view of some that are looking for a dramatic single season shift in Wyoming athletics. I experienced the highs and lows of both the FB and BB programs tied to the pool table indiscretions and good-ole-boy hires. If anyone has followed the championship teams of Florida while Coach Shyatt was there, they would see the same philosophy being applied to the Wyoming BB program, and it is yielding pretty decent returns. Wait until next year...(and not repeating the same credo that has plagued Wyoming fans for the past decade)...next year is going to be the beginning of something very special...I honestly believe that.

On the other side of the coin...Coach Bohl is doing everything right...so, far. I can only hold onto the hope that he can turn this program into what it used to be during the days of Wyoming FB dominance. He has said all the right things, and has brought in players that fit the philosophy...

How special would it be three years down the line to see Wyoming back on top in FB and BB?

I can dream, right?
 
PokeTransplant said:
Wyoming fans have suffered in FB and BB for the better part of 20 years. I understand the jaded view of some that are looking for a dramatic single season shift in Wyoming athletics. I experienced the highs and lows of both the FB and BB programs tied to the pool table indiscretions and good-ole-boy hires. If anyone has followed the championship teams of Florida while Coach Shyatt was there, they would see the same philosophy being applied to the Wyoming BB program, and it is yielding pretty decent returns. Wait until next year...(and not repeating the same credo that has plagued Wyoming fans for the past decade)...next year is going to be the beginning of something very special...I honestly believe that.

On the other side of the coin...Coach Bohl is doing everything right...so, far. I can only hold onto the hope that he can turn this program into what it used to be during the days of Wyoming FB dominance. He has said all the right things, and has brought in players that fit the philosophy...

How special would it be three years down the line to see Wyoming back on top in FB and BB?

I can dream, right?
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For Bohl and company, if we get 6 ins next season, that would be above my expectations, since he is having to do a complete overhaul of the program on both sides of the ball, philosophy, and everything else. I'll give him a few years of leeway for wins and losses, but I do expect to see marked improvement otherwise.
 
I agree with the wait for next year statement for this wyo team.
I know wyo fans are sick of it but if we are ever going to be good, it has to start one year, and that means the year before has to be the "wait for next year".
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while. Or whatever that phrase is lol.

I know there has been a lot of talk about next years lineup but just assuming our players keep improving the way they have since Shyatt showed up, our team is going to be really good.
Nance, Grabau, Cooke, and Hankerson all being seniors and Adams being a junior....wow.
That has to be the best starting lineup in the MWC. I don't care about UNLVs elite recruiting class, we know they won't produce the way they should. Maybe there will be more NBA scouts at UNLV games, but you know as well as I do that Wyo will be a better team.
Just think where that team could go if Wyo makes a run in the MWC Tourney and makes the Big Dance this season, or even makes a big run in the NIT this year.
 
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