To avoid derailing a thread, 5-6 years? Really?

[ragtimejoe1]

I get tempered enthusiasm, but I think Beaver and I are the only ones scratching our head at this. I do understand that it takes time to build a program, but for hell's sake, we are talking the MWC here. First, I do understand that it will be 5-6 years to build a T30-40 or so program that is consistent (if we should ever be so fortunate). However, there is no way in hell, IMO, that it should take 5-6 years to get to the T4 in the conference. I don't understand the rationale for that at all. Here is Scout's preseason:
31. Boise State
54. San Diego State
73. Nevada
74. Colorado State
79. Utah State
81. Fresno State
82. Air Force
103. New Mexico
104. Wyoming
110. San Jose State
119. Hawaii
121. UNLV

What is so damn daunting about that? Just why in the hell is it okay to take 5-6 years to be able to oust the likes of NM, CSU, Nevada, SDSU, etc.?

Sorry, I just don't think it should take 5-6 years to climb from nearly last to the top end of the BOTTOM HALF of college football.

 

[djm19]

Yeah, I am giving Bohl time, but I have seen PLENTY of coaches come into a conference and make an immediate impact. Patience is growing thin. I saw a picture of Shyatt talking to Bohl at practice yesterday. Conversation went something like this, "Your schedule this year is as soft as mine was.. Get your $%^t together."

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I agree, and before it starts, I'm not calling out Bohl or thinking he is doing a bad job. Nor do I think Bohl should be beating BSU in his second year, so nobody go building strawmen arguments about unrealistic expectations.

The topic is, why should it take 5-6 years to be competitive in the T4 or so of this conference? The T4 of this conference is still the bottom half of college football.

 

[JimmyDimes]

It is a preseason poll and has no bearing what so ever on what the final standings will be. To that I say.....who the fuck cares where we ranked in a very pre pre pre preseason ranking?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

It is a preseason poll and has no bearing what so ever on what the final standings will be. To that I say.....who the fuck cares where we ranked in a very pre pre pre preseason ranking?

Hell, use end of the year standings last year. Use standings at the end of the coming year. It doesn't change the fact (for the past) or the 99% likelihood (for the future) that the T4 of the MWC is still largely the bottom half of football.

Because it is preseason poll doesn't change the fact that the MWC is not a good conference (outside of top 1 or top 2 teams).

 

[WYCowboy]

It is a preseason poll and has no bearing what so ever on what the final standings will be. To that I say.....who the fuck cares where we ranked in a very pre pre pre preseason ranking?

Hell, use end of the year standings last year. Use standings at the end of the coming year. It doesn't change the fact (for the past) or the 99% likelihood (for the future) that the T4 of the MWC is still largely the bottom half of football.

Because it is preseason poll doesn't change the fact that the MWC is not a good conference (outside of top 1 or top 2 teams).

Unlike MWC Basketball, there is a huge difference between the top half of the MWC Football and the bottom half.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I just don't agree. The top half of the MWC is still the bottom half of CFB. We are talking about the likes of Fresno State, USU, CSU, NV, etc. Hell, we already crushed Fresno and beat AF. We weren't light years behind usu and CSU when we played them. They were better but not 5-6 freaking years better.

I just don't get it.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

It is a preseason poll and has no bearing what so ever on what the final standings will be. To that I say.....who the fuck cares where we ranked in a very pre pre pre preseason ranking?

Hell, use end of the year standings last year. Use standings at the end of the coming year. It doesn't change the fact (for the past) or the 99% likelihood (for the future) that the T4 of the MWC is still largely the bottom half of football.

Because it is preseason poll doesn't change the fact that the MWC is not a good conference (outside of top 1 or top 2 teams).

Unlike MWC Basketball, there is a huge difference between the top half of the MWC Football and the bottom half.

I see it as there is a huge difference between BSU and the rest of the MWC. CSU is going to drop off. No one else really has had any kind of track record to say they're going to challenge Boise. :twocents:

 

[fromolwyoming]

Boise is like an enigma. Despite being a MWC/WAC school, they somehow have had near constant success that makes even P5 programs scratch their heads.

Yeah, we lost to the sheep, but they didn't take any of their starters out for nearly the whole game. Like not taking their QB out until late in the 4th. We ended up making it a 10 point game by the end of it. Considering what happened the year before at home, that's actually something to think about. Plus they lose their star QB and their RB.

Howdy Doody loses his star QB, this time to graduation. Not sure who else they lose though.

When DC left, he left us decent starters at most positions, but never bothered with developing depth and did not care about the defense in particular. And truth be told, once injuries stopped piling up at a certain position, we began to see drastic improvement. Like o-line. Which had been pretty terrible for years. While not perfect, far from it, they did become better by leaps and bounds overall. Remember how bad Capt. Kirk was under DC? While no Brett Smith, he threw for 285 yards and 2 TDs against Air Force. And won that game. I remember a certain QB that Beav has a boner for that did considerably worse against a worse Air Force team.

So in 2-3 years, I think we'll be okay. Bohl is building depth to our team, which it really has not had in some time and actually developing the players.

 

[TSpoke]

I haven't seen any or at least very many paeople claim it will take 5-6 years to even be in the top 4. I could see5-6 years before we are competing for conference champioships. It could take 5-6 years to be where we are considered a top 4 program in the conference, which is different than finishing in the top 4 for a year.

I think everyone wants to win and win this year. Some people just aren't putting bench marks that the team must reach the first couple years because they understand its a growing process.

Whats the alternative? if we aren't in the top 3-4 in year 3 we fire the staff?

 

[joshvanklomp]

I think everyone wants to win and win this year. Some people just aren't putting bench marks that the team must reach the first couple years because they understand its a growing process.

This is where I stand, as well.

 

[J-Rod]

I think we're still debating over the definition of what this 5-6 year rebuild. I do not think it will take 5-6 years to make a bowl game. Wyoming has made or been qualified for a bowl 4 times in the last 14 years, sad really considering the standard for bowl eligibility has dropped a ton. But it's not a difficult task. When I say 5-6 years, I'm talking about the fans who have their heads in the clouds about 10+ win seasons and championships. I think it will take at least 4-6 years before that kind of talk is anything but homerism on the part of fans. Bowl game? I'm expecting 3-5 wins this season, but hell....if the ball rolls UW's way like it did in 2011, they could absolutely go bowling this fall.

So again, what's the standard here? What is it that we're postponing for 5-6 years?

BTW, I'd rather wait and see Phil Steele's ranking. He is annually right on the dot...Scout isn't very good with non-recruiting articles, as evidenced by that poll. Nevada the 3rd highest ranked team? Every starter worth a shit on that team has graduated, and they were barely 6-6 to begin with last season.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I think we're still debating over the definition of what this 5-6 year rebuild.

So again, what's the standard here? What is it that we're postponing for 5-6 years?

I would definitely agree that if we are to challenge BSU, it will be 4-6 years unless they drop off, obviously.

My point being, however, that even second place in this conference is not that unattainable in the near future. This year is sort of a pass, IMO, but should see progress. Still, almost every team in the MWC has MAJOR issues. There simply is no real power outside of BSU. If Bohl and company are as good as I think they are, we should see major progress in terms of wins within 3 years in this conference. The MWC of old is a different story.

For me, year 3 better be a bowl game at minimum. If we can't work for 3 years and get to a bowl game, then there are some issues that even Bohl can't fix. By year 4, we should be knocking on the door of 8-10 wins depending on schedule.

FWIW, I think bounces go our way this year and we have a shot this year.

 

[yopaulie]

Yeah, I am giving Bohl time, but I have seen PLENTY of coaches come into a conference and make an immediate impact. Patience is growing thin. I saw a picture of Shyatt talking to Bohl at practice yesterday. Conversation went something like this, "Your schedule this year is as soft as mine was.. Get your $%^t together."

Wow, patience is growing thin after one season? Bohl's 1st recruiting class are now redshirt freshmen.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Yeah, I am giving Bohl time, but I have seen PLENTY of coaches come into a conference and make an immediate impact. Patience is growing thin. I saw a picture of Shyatt talking to Bohl at practice yesterday. Conversation went something like this, "Your schedule this year is as soft as mine was.. Get your $%^t together."

Wow, patience is growing thin after one season? Bohl's 1st recruiting class are now redshirt freshmen.

This board is a great place to read some of the most stupid shit in the world.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Yeah, I am giving Bohl time, but I have seen PLENTY of coaches come into a conference and make an immediate impact. Patience is growing thin. I saw a picture of Shyatt talking to Bohl at practice yesterday. Conversation went something like this, "Your schedule this year is as soft as mine was.. Get your $%^t together."

Wow, patience is growing thin after one season? Bohl's 1st recruiting class are now redshirt freshmen.

This board is a great place to read some of the most stupid shit in the world.

Yup.

 

[stymeman]

just be competitive in conference games and take it to the 4th quarter, and on occasion win a conference championship that's really all i want

 

[cowboyz]

Challenging for the conference...Joe had time, and while a good guy, couldn't figure out how to score. DC had time, but as a fuck up, he couldn't figure out how to score or stop our opponents, even if he had another decade. Bohl's only had a year, I think we'll be challenging in a couple few years. Hell, I think we could be top 4 this coming season, in our conference. Remember, when we are in a re-building stage, it's not like the other schools are sitting still. They too are trying to get the best talent, hire the best coaches, improve facilities and find more cash. I have no problem with giving Bohl more time. This year's recruiting class looks like it has a load of potential.

 

[Wyovanian]

Here's the thing- for every season Wyoming wasn't (winning) and moving ahead, in terms of the MWC , we lost 1.5 seasons. In terms of the P5, we lost 2 seasons plus. This is where Wyoming's at.

It will take faith and devotion to keep us from falling (further) into the spiral that ultimately leads to the Big Sky (or other such irrelevance).

That being said, f--k the Big Sky and irrelevance.

Keep calm and GO 'POKES!!!

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I think the main theme of the conversation is being interpreted incorrectly. This isn't about impatience with Bohl or about earning the NY6 bid now.

We're now seasoned vets (unfortunately) at this rebuilding process. From VK to Joe to DC, we've been through this for over a decade.

What I'm getting at is that in a VERY WEAK MWC, my opinion is that if we do not see signs of success within 3-4 years, I believe that is an indication that we have deep rooted issues that are not coaching related.

The trajectory I would like to see is (obviously becoming overnight sensations would be great but unrealistic):
This year is a pass, but depending on bounces, we might even get a bowl game this year. Experience year mostly.
Bowl game in year 3. Solidly earned not "backed into"
Very solid years in 4 and 5 (say 8+ wins)
Years 5-6 should be at least challenging BSU (assuming they stay on track). BSU is a T25 to T10 program fairly consistently. Being a legit challenge to them is all you can really hope for because if you are challenging them, that means you are T25 to T10 material.

We will likely experience a down year in there as well, but that is okay as long as the down year is because we graduate a bunch of studs that won a bunch of games the previous year.

If we see another false hope bowl game followed by a down season or two, my concern level will increase drastically.