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THIS SUCKS!
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BeaverPoke
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stymeman said:
Better than what we will do.
jessejames02
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I think we all need a little grounding.
Yeah, we're probably CBI bound unless we kick butt in the MWC tourney (which is VERY MUCH POSSIBLE). We won't win the tourney but we're not likely one and done. We still have a shot at the NIT.
Even if we don't make NIT we are a loooooong way off of where we were five years ago.
We were legit contenders for the MWC title until the last two weeks of the season. I call that competing for the conference title. With everyone healthy for the tournament we will be dangerous and have a legit chance to compete there as well.
I also don't care that it's an off MW year. This is the first time since I attended UW in the early 00s that we have competed much less had a shot more than a week into conference play.
Let's also not forget how much this has to do with the school administration. The high standard is to compete for a title every few years (check that box, didn't say they need to win). There is NO expectation that our boys make the NCAA. Hell, what's the difference in bonus for our bball coaches if we get NCAA over NIT and NIT over CBI or no postseason?
Given what their bosses expect I think they've gone above and beyond.
Yeah, we're probably CBI bound unless we kick butt in the MWC tourney (which is VERY MUCH POSSIBLE). We won't win the tourney but we're not likely one and done. We still have a shot at the NIT.
Even if we don't make NIT we are a loooooong way off of where we were five years ago.
We were legit contenders for the MWC title until the last two weeks of the season. I call that competing for the conference title. With everyone healthy for the tournament we will be dangerous and have a legit chance to compete there as well.
I also don't care that it's an off MW year. This is the first time since I attended UW in the early 00s that we have competed much less had a shot more than a week into conference play.
Let's also not forget how much this has to do with the school administration. The high standard is to compete for a title every few years (check that box, didn't say they need to win). There is NO expectation that our boys make the NCAA. Hell, what's the difference in bonus for our bball coaches if we get NCAA over NIT and NIT over CBI or no postseason?
Given what their bosses expect I think they've gone above and beyond.
JimmyDimes
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We did sweep them......so when healthy we could do much better.BeaverPoke said:
calpoke25
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JimmyDimes said:
Us sweeping them by no means means that we would do better than them. Even with us sweeping them they were and still are better positioned for an NCAA bid. So much of how either wyoming or csu played in a tournament game would come down to random match ups that to say simply because we swept them we'd do better is looking through some extremely thick brown and gold glasses.
ragtimejoe1
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Cuttslam said:
Yep, our AD is doing a wonderful job.
How we can possibly have people defend our AD but criticize the likes of Shy is beyond me :?
jessejames02
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ragtimejoe1 said:
Not to malign the wonderful work done by our teachers, cops, other public employees, etc., but our AD fits the phrase "Good enough for government work" perfectly.
BeaverPoke
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jessejames02 said:
+1
ragtimejoe1
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There are more than a few Burman apologists, or maybe they are just really loud 
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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Just a question relating to Burman....and his haters:
Lets say this season Bohl and the Pokes having a winning season and make a bowl game. Then next year increase the win total by atleast one and another bowl. Then a decade from now we look back and Bohl has put us on the map and is winning at high level.
At the same time, Shyatts upcoming recruiting class is the spark that we need and we make a run at the conference championship and share some portion of one of the two, then make a run at the Tourney. Then the year after were outright champs and win a game in the tourney. A decade from now we look back and haven't had a year lower than 3rd in conference and 5 - 7 tourney appearances and wonder why we were so sad in 14-15.
Here is the question: Is there any way the haters on this board give Burman the props he deserved for landing Bohl and bringing Shyatt back? (I am in no way claiming support or opposition of Burman, i'm just curious....)
I understand my points are all hypothetical but are exactly where we all WANT the programs to go.
Lets say this season Bohl and the Pokes having a winning season and make a bowl game. Then next year increase the win total by atleast one and another bowl. Then a decade from now we look back and Bohl has put us on the map and is winning at high level.
At the same time, Shyatts upcoming recruiting class is the spark that we need and we make a run at the conference championship and share some portion of one of the two, then make a run at the Tourney. Then the year after were outright champs and win a game in the tourney. A decade from now we look back and haven't had a year lower than 3rd in conference and 5 - 7 tourney appearances and wonder why we were so sad in 14-15.
Here is the question: Is there any way the haters on this board give Burman the props he deserved for landing Bohl and bringing Shyatt back? (I am in no way claiming support or opposition of Burman, i'm just curious....)
I understand my points are all hypothetical but are exactly where we all WANT the programs to go.
NowherePoke
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ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
I would absolutely give Burman props in that scenario.
My problem with Burman is that he has been on the job for almost 9 years with almost no competitive success to speak of. That is almost unheard of on the highly competitive world of D-1 athletics. What other school in the MWC would consider a nearly decade long tenure without a MWC title in any sport to be acceptable, much less a success.
My assertion is that Burman has been unable to articulate and deliver a vision for success at UW. Contrast that with Jack Graham at CSU. He may have been an asshole, but he had a vision for what CSU could become and he pushed for a new stadium and for paying his coaches at the top of the MWC scale. They had a vision for growth that involved risks and tough sales. They ask their students to pay higher athletic fees and are willing to take on debt to finance infrastructure growth.
We take very few risks and are visibly content with the status quo to the extent that we consider it a positive when the programs that are really trying (BYU, Utah, CSU) leave the league so that we can compete (although we still don't).
On top of that, there have a large number of embarrassing incidents. I can put up with some of that crap if we are winning, but to have negative headlines on top of losing? Unacceptable.
Wyolie Coyote
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ThisNowherePoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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I smell what you're cooking, my rebuttal, i guess, would be why does Shyatt get 5 seasons of pass and support for ONE team but Burman gets hate and malcontent after 9 years for ALL TEAMS? Again, not pro or against Burman just have never understood the hate to the level its reached.Wyolie Coyote said:
NowherePoke
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ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
Well, Shyatt has only had 4 seasons this time and while I am very frustrated right now there is zero doubt that Shyatt has delivered more success than his predecessor. Shyatt has been unable to deliver a title in 4 chances, while Burman has been unable to in over 120 chances spread across 14 sports. 0/4 is understandable particularly considering what he took over. 0/120 (approx) is a lot worse IMO.
JimmyDimes
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The dry spell of MWC titles sucks. Much of that is Burman's fault for not making the right hires most of the time. We can all agree Branch (who has delivered multiple titles and top 25 rankings, but not MWC sponsored) was a great hire. Schroyer was not. DC was not. Joe had a chance, but in the end wasn't the guy. Shyatt has improved men's basketball significantly , but has had some bad breaks....good hire. I think Bohl will turn out to be a good hire, but time will tell. Joe L....not a great hire because he has had time and hasn't produced.
It isn't like the programs are shitting the bed either. Most of the finishes this year are upper half of the conference. We've had a couple opportunities for titles this year....women's soccer was in the title game. Men's swimming (3rd, but an event win from first (not a MWC sport however). Track and field is improving....need to spend money to build more depth there too. Volleyball was 3rd.
Football is the only sport that finished in the bottom half, but we have a coach with a strong resume and a proven track record.
It isn't like Wyoming isn't winning conference titles, but we can't hold our hats on wrestling. The other programs need to come along. So close in basketball and with any luck getting a couple players back to 100%, we have just as good of a shot at the title as anyone else.
The last thing I'd like to add it Wyoming competes in the fewest MWC sponsored sports of any of our conference mates. That is why wrestling counts.....cuz we ain't winning anything in golf.
It isn't like the programs are shitting the bed either. Most of the finishes this year are upper half of the conference. We've had a couple opportunities for titles this year....women's soccer was in the title game. Men's swimming (3rd, but an event win from first (not a MWC sport however). Track and field is improving....need to spend money to build more depth there too. Volleyball was 3rd.
Football is the only sport that finished in the bottom half, but we have a coach with a strong resume and a proven track record.
It isn't like Wyoming isn't winning conference titles, but we can't hold our hats on wrestling. The other programs need to come along. So close in basketball and with any luck getting a couple players back to 100%, we have just as good of a shot at the title as anyone else.
The last thing I'd like to add it Wyoming competes in the fewest MWC sponsored sports of any of our conference mates. That is why wrestling counts.....cuz we ain't winning anything in golf.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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5 Including his first run here. Thats where I got that number. So every season of no championships is Burman's fault? Do the coaches, assistants, and players not factor into that at all? We all were praising the CDC hire because of the press and buzz he was receiving. How can a lowly UW attract someone like him?!?!!? Then 5 years later Burman is a worthless ass because of his choices. I know thats just one decision and is viewed out of context to a degree, but even the best hires fail sometimes...If Burman lured Coach K away and he struggled, would that still be Burman's fault?NowherePoke said:
ragtimejoe1
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ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
If Burman somehow became visionary then my opinion would change. If our coaches are successful, it will be despite Burman, IMO.
For my opinion of Burman to change, I would need to see the following:
1) Our athletic budget in upper third of MWC
2) Re-branding and increased marketing of UW Athletics
3) Full COA in the upper third of MWC
4) Overhaul of game day experience--including encouraging a LOUD AA
5) Strong leadership and commitment to MWC-related issues
6) Upper third for academic benchmarks of our student athletes
7) Upper third of MWC for coach and assistant coach salaries
etc. etc.
The biggest programs left the MWC and our position within the conference declined. Our peers are outpacing relative to budget. If Burman can fix that, then my opinion will change. Until then, I think he is a handicap.
