Sucks to be a CSU ram.

[stymeman]

they still suck!!!! Wazzu stopped playing, one of Leach's issues

 

[McPeachy]

they still suck!!!! Wazzu stopped playing, one of Leach's issues

Gotta be the fat girlfriends.

 

[LawPoke]

Here are my thoughts on CSU:

(1) I hate the turds
(2) They are lucky turds
(3) Wazzu's end-of-game management allowed the turds back into the game
(4) The turds will miss Shaq Barrett...a lot
(5) The turds will miss those 4 seniors on the offensive line...a lot
(6) Grayson will regress next year (see 4 and 5 above)
(7) Bibbs is very good, but will likely regress next year too (see 5 and 6 above)
(8) McElwain is a good coach, motivator and, apparently recruiter, so I think they will fill the holes in their line-up, but not nearly to the level they were this year.
(9) Winning a New Mexico Bowl against a mediocre team with a series of amazing breaks is no catalyst for long-term success...see Wyoming circa 2009.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Here are my thoughts on CSU:

(1) I hate the turds
(2) They are lucky turds
(3) Wazzu's end-of-game management allowed the turds back into the game
(4) The turds will miss Shaq Barrett...a lot
(5) The turds will miss those 4 seniors on the offensive line...a lot
(6) Grayson will regress next year (see 4 and 5 above)
(7) Bibbs is very good, but will likely regress next year too (see 5 and 6 above)
(8) McElwain is a good coach, motivator and, apparently recruiter, so I think they will fill the holes in their line-up, but not nearly to the level they were this year.
(9) Winning a New Mexico Bowl against a mediocre team with a series of amazing breaks is no catalyst for long-term success...see Wyoming circa 2009.

The difference between the NM Bowl then and now, is that it is Pac12 vs. MWC, not MWC vs. WAC.

Much better now, just by the Pac12 being there instead of the non-existant WAC.

Plus, mediocre or not, Wazzu and CSU are both programs on the rise.
You can spin it all you want about how they are losing so much talent, and they are, but they aren't built for the flash in the pan. They are built to be successful with who ever is playing.
They are light years ahead of us now, after 4 years of being our bitch. The tides have turned.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Here are my thoughts on CSU:

(1) I hate the turds
(2) They are lucky turds
(3) Wazzu's end-of-game management allowed the turds back into the game
(4) The turds will miss Shaq Barrett...a lot
(5) The turds will miss those 4 seniors on the offensive line...a lot
(6) Grayson will regress next year (see 4 and 5 above)
(7) Bibbs is very good, but will likely regress next year too (see 5 and 6 above)
(8) McElwain is a good coach, motivator and, apparently recruiter, so I think they will fill the holes in their line-up, but not nearly to the level they were this year.
(9) Winning a New Mexico Bowl against a mediocre team with a series of amazing breaks is no catalyst for long-term success...see Wyoming circa 2009.

The difference between the NM Bowl then and now, is that it is Pac12 vs. MWC, not MWC vs. WAC.

Much better now, just by the Pac12 being there instead of the non-existant WAC.

Plus, mediocre or not, Wazzu and CSU are both programs on the rise.
You can spin it all you want about how they are losing so much talent, and they are, but they aren't built for the flash in the pan. They are built to be successful with who ever is playing.
They are light years ahead of us now, after 4 years of being our bitch. The tides have turned.

Going to disagree with this. IMO, if DC doesn't lose his team, we beat the Rams. There was a team that wanted to win and a team that didn't. Wyoming is a Craig Bohl away from kicking CSU's ass for another long stretch.

 

[LawPoke]

Here are my thoughts on CSU:

(1) I hate the turds
(2) They are lucky turds
(3) Wazzu's end-of-game management allowed the turds back into the game
(4) The turds will miss Shaq Barrett...a lot
(5) The turds will miss those 4 seniors on the offensive line...a lot
(6) Grayson will regress next year (see 4 and 5 above)
(7) Bibbs is very good, but will likely regress next year too (see 5 and 6 above)
(8) McElwain is a good coach, motivator and, apparently recruiter, so I think they will fill the holes in their line-up, but not nearly to the level they were this year.
(9) Winning a New Mexico Bowl against a mediocre team with a series of amazing breaks is no catalyst for long-term success...see Wyoming circa 2009.

The difference between the NM Bowl then and now, is that it is Pac12 vs. MWC, not MWC vs. WAC.

Much better now, just by the Pac12 being there instead of the non-existant WAC.

Plus, mediocre or not, Wazzu and CSU are both programs on the rise.
You can spin it all you want about how they are losing so much talent, and they are, but they aren't built for the flash in the pan. They are built to be successful with who ever is playing.
They are light years ahead of us now, after 4 years of being our bitch. The tides have turned.

Maybe the Bowl matchup is a bit better, but not much. Sure it is a Pac12 team, but they are at the bottom of their league. As for CSU, we will see if they are on the rise. I am not sold on them just yet. Losing almost an entire offensive line that had been together for 5 years (I think I heard that they were all RS Seniors, but I might be wrong) and the heart and soul of your defense is very difficult. And I have to agree with Dimes, the Pokes rolled over and let the Sheep have their way with them. Sure, the Sheep played well, but we were god awful - mentally, physically, emotionally and in terms of game preparation.

 

[LawPoke]

And then there is this:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24778738/financial-health-several-colorado-universities-question

While there is little question that academic and athletic funding are separate in a lot of regards, I have to think that good ol' Moonshine Graham might have a tough sell spending several hundred million bucks on a new stadium and continuing to pay coaches over $1.5 million when his university is not in even mediocre financial health. Not good for the Sheepies. You think we had a revolt here when Sternberg was here, wait until the faculty in Fart Colons gets its teeth into the disparate treatment of athletics over academics. Uggglllyyy.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

And then there is this:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24778738/financial-health-several-colorado-universities-question

While there is little question that academic and athletic funding are separate in a lot of regards, I have to think that good ol' Moonshine Graham might have a tough sell spending several hundred million bucks on a new stadium and continuing to pay coaches over $1.5 million when his university is not in even mediocre financial health. Not good for the Sheepies. You think we had a revolt here when Sternberg was here, wait until the faculty in Fart Colons gets its teeth into the disparate treatment of athletics over academics. Uggglllyyy.

According to that, his university falls only below Metro State and CU-Boulder as far as financial health when it comes to public schools in Colorado (Mines is semi-public).

We can disparage Graham all we want, but he may be leading CSU to the Big-12 and is a true visionary. If CSU makes the Big-12, that athletic income will look much much better.

 

[JimmyDimes]

And then there is this:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24778738/financial-health-several-colorado-universities-question

While there is little question that academic and athletic funding are separate in a lot of regards, I have to think that good ol' Moonshine Graham might have a tough sell spending several hundred million bucks on a new stadium and continuing to pay coaches over $1.5 million when his university is not in even mediocre financial health. Not good for the Sheepies. You think we had a revolt here when Sternberg was here, wait until the faculty in Fart Colons gets its teeth into the disparate treatment of athletics over academics. Uggglllyyy.

According to that, his university falls only below Metro State and CU-Boulder as far as financial health when it comes to public schools in Colorado (Mines is semi-public).

We can disparage Graham all we want, but he may be leading CSU to the Big-12 and is a true visionary. If CSU makes the Big-12, that athletic income will look much much better.

That is one HUGE if. CSU isn't that attractive IMO. They have a smaller fan base and their attendance figures suck in all sports. And they are rarely mentioned in the Denver media.

 

[LawPoke]

And then there is this:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24778738/financial-health-several-colorado-universities-question

While there is little question that academic and athletic funding are separate in a lot of regards, I have to think that good ol' Moonshine Graham might have a tough sell spending several hundred million bucks on a new stadium and continuing to pay coaches over $1.5 million when his university is not in even mediocre financial health. Not good for the Sheepies. You think we had a revolt here when Sternberg was here, wait until the faculty in Fart Colons gets its teeth into the disparate treatment of athletics over academics. Uggglllyyy.

According to that, his university falls only below Metro State and CU-Boulder as far as financial health when it comes to public schools in Colorado (Mines is semi-public).

We can disparage Graham all we want, but he may be leading CSU to the Big-12 and is a true visionary. If CSU makes the Big-12, that athletic income will look much much better.

I can't read whether he is a visionary or a quack. If he takes CSU to the Big12, the income will look better and all will be well with the world. He may have a shot, given the recent success in basketball and volleyball. Football doesn't count for anything yet - as a NM Bowl Championship does not a Big12 invitee make, especially when they averaged less than 15,000 for home games, if I remember correctly. If he doesn't make the big time and they don't have the resources to adequately service the debt load that comes with a new stadium and the bonds he knows he will have to float, they may be in trouble over the long haul.

As for the rankings, it doesn't matter where they are on the list. They could be first for hell's sake, but so long as they are below the threshold of being financially secure, it just makes them the least ugly of the ugly girls. When Colorado Mesa is in your realm in terms of being secure and Metro State has you beat by a mile (in anything)...YIKES!

 

[cowboyz]

My joke, or sarcasm, or whatever is pretending to be happy with the MWC teams winning bowl games because it takes them to such a new level, when clearly wyoming is shit, and cheering our biggest rival on to bowl game wins is DUMB because they then steal recruits we go after.
Who gives a shit if the MWC is good or bad? We are really bad, so wouldn't it be nice if we could compete once in a while?
Or do you guys like the fact that we have never won a MWC football title.
Oh but wait! Coach Bohl will change that! Just like Glenn and DC did. On to a new era of smashmouth football right? Whatever, I just want to win, and hate seeing CSU put up such a good year, and they are only going to get better.
Meanwhile, we are starting over again, and are REALLY far behind the sheep.

Okay, I think I get what you are saying. We're looking at the same thing, but analyzing from different ends.

I don't think CSU had "such a good year". I think they did okay, certainly better than us. I also don't feel we are really far behind them. In fact, I feel next year we will be better than CSU, assuming that Brett comes back. If he doesn't, then I it's a coin toss. For the past 5 seasons we have had good quality players coming to Laramie, regardless of all of the recruiting to Laramie debates we've had. What we haven't been able to do is keep them here, or coach up the ones that do stay. The problem was finally pin-pointed by the Athletic Department and taken care of. Our Head Coach was the problem. He blew chunks, regardless of how much you and some others bought into his never ending bullshit. I admit, he had me the first year, but it was soon so obvious to me that he was totally in over his head. Maybe I had the advantage of meeting him on occasion and knowing some of the players, as you do now. He is a very bad Head Coach. Shit, I think he's only an above average OC. Our players didn't stand a chance with him leading them. I don't know if the new staff will be worlds better. I hope they will and I even think they will, but I don't know. What I do believe is that anyone with any knowledge of football and a limited ego would have done a better job, anyone.

So, I think we're in the mix starting next season, and you feel we're fucked, as compared to our bowl participating conference brothers. We're looking at this from different angles. My glass is half full at this point.