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Sorry about this post - but where is our GD will to compete?

fromolwyoming said:
The 3-4 defense actually requires MORE size on the line and at linebacker. For guys that we have now?
Uso Olive-6'Ft 305lbs
Sidney Mulauulu (just butchered the poor kid's name)- 6'3 300lbs
Du'Ryan Ebbesen- 6'2 305lbs
Jacob English- 6'5 291lbs
Dalton Fields- 6'3 274lbs (a little light, but easily fixed)

5 guys, only 1 is an upperclassmen and all interior d-linemen about the size you want in an interior d-linemen.

For the 3-4 defense to be effective, you need a huge NT at about 6'4 320lbs (ideally) and 2 DEs that are basically 4-3 DTs. And outside linebackers the size of DEs.

It seems to me that the most successful defense we had had over the last 15 years or so was the 3-4 under Glenn. Both North Dakota and Directional Michigan ran the 3-4 to great effect against us. Do both of those teams have an easier time than us recruiting size? Were we all that big from '06 - '09? Who was our huge NT then? I thought the whole reason we switched was we had lots of linebackers and that was what you needed to run the 3-4?
 
COS Cowboy said:
fromolwyoming said:
The 3-4 defense actually requires MORE size on the line and at linebacker. For guys that we have now?
Uso Olive-6'Ft 305lbs
Sidney Mulauulu (just butchered the poor kid's name)- 6'3 300lbs
Du'Ryan Ebbesen- 6'2 305lbs
Jacob English- 6'5 291lbs
Dalton Fields- 6'3 274lbs (a little light, but easily fixed)

5 guys, only 1 is an upperclassmen and all interior d-linemen about the size you want in an interior d-linemen.

For the 3-4 defense to be effective, you need a huge NT at about 6'4 320lbs (ideally) and 2 DEs that are basically 4-3 DTs. And outside linebackers the size of DEs.

It seems to me that the most successful defense we had had over the last 15 years or so was the 3-4 under Glenn. Both North Dakota and Directional Michigan ran the 3-4 to great effect against us. Do both of those teams have an easier time than us recruiting size? Were we all that big from '06 - '09? Who was our huge NT then? I thought the whole reason we switched was we had lots of linebackers and that was what you needed to run the 3-4?

Ideally in the 3-4 you would love a big NT. But you can get by being undersized in the 3-4 way more so than the 4-3, and, additionally by definition you do not need as many total defensive linemen. The 3-4 will always make sense at Wyoming.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
COS Cowboy said:
fromolwyoming said:
The 3-4 defense actually requires MORE size on the line and at linebacker. For guys that we have now?
Uso Olive-6'Ft 305lbs
Sidney Mulauulu (just butchered the poor kid's name)- 6'3 300lbs
Du'Ryan Ebbesen- 6'2 305lbs
Jacob English- 6'5 291lbs
Dalton Fields- 6'3 274lbs (a little light, but easily fixed)

5 guys, only 1 is an upperclassmen and all interior d-linemen about the size you want in an interior d-linemen.

For the 3-4 defense to be effective, you need a huge NT at about 6'4 320lbs (ideally) and 2 DEs that are basically 4-3 DTs. And outside linebackers the size of DEs.

It seems to me that the most successful defense we had had over the last 15 years or so was the 3-4 under Glenn. Both North Dakota and Directional Michigan ran the 3-4 to great effect against us. Do both of those teams have an easier time than us recruiting size? Were we all that big from '06 - '09? Who was our huge NT then? I thought the whole reason we switched was we had lots of linebackers and that was what you needed to run the 3-4?

Ideally in the 3-4 you would love a big NT. But you can get by being undersized in the 3-4 way more so than the 4-3, and, additionally by definition you do not need as many total defensive linemen. The 3-4 will always make sense at Wyoming.
Agreed. Plus, guys like Granderson and Clinton could make pretty good 3-4 OLBs I think. And Appleby wouldn't be as drastically undersized at DE there.
 
I remember the reason Glenn's staff ran the 3-4 defense while at Wyoming. They said it was easier to recruit linebackers than defensive tackles. I'd be all for the switch to a 3-4. It has worked for us in the past.
 
The doomsayers are on fire today!

In Craig Bohl, I trust.

We're on our way to becoming a top team in our conference - and a top 50 CFB program overall.

Seeds are in the ground.

Water and fertilizer have been added.

Big ass crop is coming on down the road.

Go Pokes!
 
Yabadabadoo said:
The doomsayers are on fire today!

In Craig Bohl, I trust.

We're on our way to becoming a top team in our conference - and a top 50 CFB program overall.

Seeds are in the ground.

Water and fertilizer have been added.

Big ass crop is coming on down the road.

Go Pokes!


What the fuck are you talking about?
We are 0-4 dude.

You are entirely way too delusional about Wyoming football.
 
Do y'all think a Wyoming dude would be a better head coach? How do y'all think Josh Conklin would do as a HC for Wyoming?
He's a DC. Maybe he could get the right recruiters and coaches and WIN at Wyoming.
I still think ya gotta pay more $$ though.

I could only read page 1 of this thread!!
 
BeaverPoke said:
Yabadabadoo said:
The doomsayers are on fire today!

In Craig Bohl, I trust.

We're on our way to becoming a top team in our conference - and a top 50 CFB program overall.

Seeds are in the ground.

Water and fertilizer have been added.

Big ass crop is coming on down the road.

Go Pokes!


What the fuck are you talking about?
We are 0-4 dude.

You are entirely way too delusional about Wyoming football.

We get it, it's a painful season. The Pokes under Bohl will live to fight another year.

In the meantime, I'm going to savor every down of every game the rest of the season. Its going to be fascinating watching the young pups grow up.

Doo is not delusional at all.
 
JimmyDimes said:
I remember the reason Glenn's staff ran the 3-4 defense while at Wyoming. They said it was easier to recruit linebackers than defensive tackles. I'd be all for the switch to a 3-4. It has worked for us in the past.

I wish Bohl would suck up his pride and make the switch right now in the middle of the season. It is obvious that we aren't stopping anyone with the current defense. Let's unleash the dogs and let our undersized players fly around and try to create turnovers. That is our only realistic chance of winning any games this year.

...maybe it's just me, but watching the Broncos 3-4 defense this year flying around and causing havoc is way more entertaining than watching the Broncos record breaking offense of two years ago!
 
OrediggerPoke said:
JimmyDimes said:
I remember the reason Glenn's staff ran the 3-4 defense while at Wyoming. They said it was easier to recruit linebackers than defensive tackles. I'd be all for the switch to a 3-4. It has worked for us in the past.

I wish Bohl would suck up his pride and make the switch right now in the middle of the season. It is obvious that we aren't stopping anyone with the current defense. Let's unleash the dogs and let our undersized players fly around and try to create turnovers. That is our only realistic chance of winning any games this year.

...maybe it's just me, but watching the Broncos 3-4 defense this year flying around and causing havoc is way more entertaining than watching the Broncos record breaking offense of two years ago!
Hell, even staying in our base 4-3, it would be nice to play with some balls rather than sitting back and letting everything come to us. Maybe even a blitz now and then.
 
wyokoke said:
OrediggerPoke said:
JimmyDimes said:
I remember the reason Glenn's staff ran the 3-4 defense while at Wyoming. They said it was easier to recruit linebackers than defensive tackles. I'd be all for the switch to a 3-4. It has worked for us in the past.

I wish Bohl would suck up his pride and make the switch right now in the middle of the season. It is obvious that we aren't stopping anyone with the current defense. Let's unleash the dogs and let our undersized players fly around and try to create turnovers. That is our only realistic chance of winning any games this year.

...maybe it's just me, but watching the Broncos 3-4 defense this year flying around and causing havoc is way more entertaining than watching the Broncos record breaking offense of two years ago!
Hell, even staying in our base 4-3, it would be nice to play with some balls rather than sitting back and letting everything come to us. Maybe even a blitz now and then.

Truth!
 
HiCountryCowboy said:
wyokoke said:
OrediggerPoke said:
JimmyDimes said:
I remember the reason Glenn's staff ran the 3-4 defense while at Wyoming. They said it was easier to recruit linebackers than defensive tackles. I'd be all for the switch to a 3-4. It has worked for us in the past.

I wish Bohl would suck up his pride and make the switch right now in the middle of the season. It is obvious that we aren't stopping anyone with the current defense. Let's unleash the dogs and let our undersized players fly around and try to create turnovers. That is our only realistic chance of winning any games this year.

...maybe it's just me, but watching the Broncos 3-4 defense this year flying around and causing havoc is way more entertaining than watching the Broncos record breaking offense of two years ago!
Hell, even staying in our base 4-3, it would be nice to play with some balls rather than sitting back and letting everything come to us. Maybe even a blitz now and then.

Truth!
That said, I am all for the 3-4. I just doubt they'll even entertain the idea.
 
alyssa said:
Do y'all think a Wyoming dude would be a better head coach? How do y'all think Josh Conklin would do as a HC for Wyoming?
He's a DC. Maybe he could get the right recruiters and coaches and WIN at Wyoming.
I still think ya gotta pay more $$ though.

I could only read page 1 of this thread!!


Chuck Pagano for head coach.
 
With the proliferation of passing offenses in the MW, the 3-3-5 is probably the most ideal defense for Wyoming...probably more so than the 3-4. Three down lineman, three linebackers, two strong safties, two corners, and a free safety. Depending on the athlete playing OLB and SS, the front could morph between a 4-3 look, a 3-4, a 4-4, a 4-2-5, and a nickle package without subbing players. Predicated on speed, you could theoretically mix and match coverages and blitzes all day long. In the early 2000s, Rich Rod used this defensive alignment to great effect when he was coaching WVU to upsets in bowl games.

The 3-3-5 is the ultimate hybrid defense that optimizes the talents of the athletes most readily recruitable. It's about the types of athletes that you can recruit in spades. You'd wind up recruiting more athletes to play strong safety/linebacker than anything else. So long as they're in the 4.5 -4.6 forty range and project to fill out to the 220 lbs range by their second year, it should be all systems go on the recruiting trail. You can recruit kids with the same body type for all those positions in the heart of the defense and there's a ton of those guys that are under recruited.

It's a target rich environment for the lanky high school kid with flash of athletic ability that's about 200 lbs. Now, feed him some Weaties and teach him how to play in space and you've got yourself somebody based on their aptitude that can theoretically play one of five positions on your defense in a year or two. Plug and play.

Of course recruiting defensive lineman that project to the 270-280 lbs range and exceptional athletes to play corner and free safety will always be a challenge but they can be found.
 
fishouttawater said:
With the proliferation of passing offenses in the MW, the 3-3-5 is probably the most ideal defense for Wyoming...probably more so than the 3-4. Three down lineman, three linebackers, two strong safties, two corners, and a free safety. Depending on the athlete playing OLB and SS, the front could morph between a 4-3 look, a 3-4, a 4-4, a 4-2-5, and a nickle package without subbing players. Predicated on speed, you could theoretically mix and match coverages and blitzes all day long. In the early 2000s, Rich Rod used this defensive alignment to great effect when he was coaching WVU to upsets in bowl games.

The 3-3-5 is the ultimate hybrid defense that optimizes the talents of the athletes most readily recruitable. It's about the types of athletes that you can recruit in spades. You'd wind up recruiting more athletes to play strong safety/linebacker than anything else. So long as they're in the 4.5 -4.6 forty range and project to fill out to the 220 lbs range by their second year, it should be all systems go on the recruiting trail. You can recruit kids with the same body type for all those positions in the heart of the defense and there's a ton of those guys that are under recruited.

It's a target rich environment for the lanky high school kid with flash of athletic ability that's about 200 lbs. Now, feed him some Weaties and teach him how to play in space and you've got yourself somebody based on their aptitude that can theoretically play one of five positions on your defense in a year or two. Plug and play.

Of course recruiting defensive lineman that project to the 270-280 lbs range and exceptional athletes to play corner and free safety will always be a challenge but they can be found.
I don't know much about the ideal personnel for a 3-3-5 and how easy it would be to get it here, but I love the concept. It certainly looks great in West Virginia.
 
3 smaller d-linemen (trying to go more for speed than size), 3 linebackers (but you need the one to be able to double as a pass rusher on the line for certain plays), and 5 DBs. The problem with the 3-3-5 is it's over aggressiveness can lead to huge holes in coverage and easily exploited by well timed screen passes. Plus, if your linemen cannot get a good pass rush, they'll just be bowled over on every down.
 
fromolwyoming said:
3 smaller d-linemen (trying to go more for speed than size), 3 linebackers (but you need the one to be able to double as a pass rusher on the line for certain plays), and 5 DBs. The problem with the 3-3-5 is it's over aggressiveness can lead to huge holes in coverage and easily exploited by well timed screen passes. Plus, if your linemen cannot get a good pass rush, they'll just be bowled over on every down.
So what are the trade offs of a 3-3-5 vs a 4-2-5? Not that we will be switching to either one
 
BeaverPoke said:
Yabadabadoo said:
The doomsayers are on fire today!

In Craig Bohl, I trust.

We're on our way to becoming a top team in our conference - and a top 50 CFB program overall.

Seeds are in the ground.

Water and fertilizer have been added.

Big ass crop is coming on down the road.

Go Pokes!


What the fuck are you talking about?
We are 0-4 dude.

You are entirely way too delusional about Wyoming football.

You didn't see the seeds of a future top-50 program whilst watching us get completely annihilated by a team...that got the shit kicked out of it...by Army???? :o

How about the "tremendously fun" 17-point loss to a team that probably won't win a game in the Pac 12 this year?
 
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