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Some Fresnecks already talking smack

AfiPoke

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over on the MWC board. Yoda and a few other (not many) Fresnecks are already complaining they are 'too good' to match up with us. Main argument seems to be they are 8-4 and ranked higher in their conference while we are 6-6 and ranked 5th in the MWC. Yoda thinks they should cancel the bowl and focus on finals (is he a poster on GWG?).

Well, if I remember right (and I do), CSU was 6-6 and ranked fifth last year and beat a 7-4 Fresneck squad who was arguably better than this years crew. I feel confident that we can beat them. We certainly played against tougher competition this year and had some definite high points (1st half against Texas, Utah game, even against Air Force we held the Falcons to fewer yards than TCU did). I am looking forward to the game.
 
CSU beat Nevada, Nevada destroyed Fresno, Wyo beat CSU. It is definitely not obvious that Fresno is too good to play Wyoming.
 
I'm getting a kick out of these Fresno fans. Mostly they are proclaiming Fresno will win going away in a blow out.

Personally I couldn't be happier with Wyoming's opponent. I think it is the perfect level opponent for this team in a bowl game. We match up well with them and it should be a good game. Fresno's D is simply atrocious, horrible and ridiculously bad. We should be able to score some points and move the ball. Their offense is good, but does not have the passing game that hurts us like a BYU. Bring them on.

One of my best memories was the 93 game in the War against Fresno with Trent Dilfer where we clinched a share of the WAC crown I believe. Great game.
 
Yeah, this Wyoming team hasn't played at a level where you can comfortably trash talk (haha), but we played an arguably tougher schedule (though that's assuming that Cincy's overrated, which I think they are).

You have to see that this is a pretty good matchup for Wyoming, though. We do well against run heavy teams, just look at the Air Force game. That we couldn't move the ball on them wasn't so bad considering how good their defense is. They only really scored after they had worn down our defense, pounding the ball again and again... Fresno isn't good enough defensively to keep our offense off and our defense on the field.

Fresno's defense had 7 interceptions vs Wyoming's 13. 9 Sacks vs Wyoming's 20. Fresno had 7 fumbles gained vs Wyoming's 8. Fresno's turnover margin was -9 to Wyoming's +7. That's a huge difference! If Wyoming can move the ball on Fresno and force a few turnovers to stop drives, this game could be a statement game big time! I'm expecting to see a few new offensive plays that Fresno doesn't have tape of too. Maybe a few more hook and ladder plays, a couple of double reverses, Benjamin lined up at WR to throw the ball, triple option plays, fake punts... you name it!



If Wyoming loses, then well, we played a ton of freshmen and didn't beat anybody good this year, and we did have a 6-6 record. But if they DO win, it should point out how favorably MWC lines up with WAC, especially if TCU puts together a good game and stomps Boise - which I think they could and should.
 
I would have loved to have played Fresno's schedule this year. They did beat Wisconsin, I'll give them that (anyone know the story here, top two QBs injuried, half the team supsended for the game because of rules violations? Something had to be going on here.) And they did play Boise State, Cincinnati, Nevada 8-4 and Idaho 7-5 that's three tough games and two winnable ones. The rest of the schedule was filled with gimmes - UC DAvis (are they even Div. I-AA?), Hawaii 6-7, San Jose State 2-10, New Mexico State 3-10, Utah State 4-8, La. Tech, 4-8, Illinois 3-9

I'm convinced if Wyoming played in the WAC, (or played the Fresno schedule) we'd easily be 8-4 this year.
 
Cheywypoke said:
I would have loved to have played Fresno's schedule this year. They did beat Wisconsin,

I'm convinced if Wyoming played in the WAC, (or played the Fresno schedule) we'd easily be 8-4 this year.

No they didn't beat Wisconsin.

But yes if Wyoming played in the WAC, its pretty hard not to find 8 wins on that schedule. Weak ass conference. I'm glad we are in the MWC.
 
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I stand corrected. Fresno did not beat Wisconsin.
Here are their wins--

UC Davis
Hawaii 6-7
San Jose State 2-10
New Mexico State 3-10
Utah State 4-8
Idaho 7-5
La. Tech 4-8
Illinois 3-9
 
Cheywypoke said:
I stand corrected. Fresno did not beat Wisconsin.
Here are their wins--

UC Davis
Hawaii 6-7
San Jose State 2-10
New Mexico State 3-10
Utah State 4-8
Idaho 7-5
La. Tech 4-8
Illinois 3-9

That looks...well...familiar. Impressive 10 point win over Humanitarian bowl bound Idaho though! Wow!
 
If I may, I’d like to clarify a few points…

The claim that we “deserve” a better matchup springs from the fact that, on paper, the game should be a mismatch.

We are #53 in Sagarin and you are #99. Neither of us has many impressive wins but our losses have been “impressive” – as a measure of the strength of the team, that is, and not as an excuse to justify an 8-4 record – while several of yours have been blowouts. Two of our losses came against BCS bowl teams and a third (in double overtime) against Wisconsin (ranked in the BCS top 25). We were competitive in all three games and should have won at least two of them, in my opinion.

Further, I am still bitter about the split. As I said to our commissioner, “Besides you know how much I hate the idea of playing down against the MWC. A bowl game featuring MWC #5 and WAC #3 endorses the notion that those are comparable positions. If we are going to play against the MWC, then it should be #1 vs. #1, #2 vs. #2, #3 vs. #3, etc. When we agree to games where we equate our #3 to their #5, we assist the MWC in publicly defining the relative position of both conferences -- with the Mountain West as superior and the WAC as inferior. I'm outraged that we would ever even consider providing such assistance -- much less actually do it.”

While it is not always clear on the MWC board, the complaints about the game have nothing to do with Wyoming, per se. It is really about the perceived disparity between any #53 and any #99. I think that our commissioner didn’t do a very good job of finding us a comparably rated opponent. I think he was so worried about getting Boise State into the BCS that he didn’t fight for us when he should have – or he didn’t fight hard enough. Somewhere around the country, there is another (on paper) mismatch and both games could have been improved if he had been able to negotiate a switch.

The deal was done on this bowl two weeks ago – and it didn’t need to be. My suggestion that we should have refused the invitation had more to do with putting the Commissioner’s feet to the fire on finding a game with a higher rated opponent than with any actual lack of respect for Wyoming.

As respects our team…

We started the year with a first year starter at quarterback and he committed a lot of unforced turnovers early – costing us games at Wisconsin and Cincinnati. I think special teams cost us the game against Boise more than the quarterback did. And the route at Nevada was a total team “effort”.

Your SOS is a little stronger than ours – but not as much as you would think as we have both played several highly rated schools.

Even with Mathews injury, we are the #7 rushing team in the nation. Despite his early turnovers, our QB is now the #25 rated quarterback in the country (QB ratings). So, unlike Air Force, we are not one dimensional and you can’t play us as though we were. Typically, Mathews starts slowly as the opponent sells out against the run. We then hurt them with the pass – forcing them to play us honestly – and then Mathews runs more-or-less wild.

Several of you keep stating that you are strong against the run but your NCAA rankings dispute that. You have the 91st rated rushing defense and the 73rd rated pass defense. Further, you have played only two teams with top 40 rushing offenses – Air Force, who had 30 yards more than their average against you, and TCU – who had 100+ yards more than their season average against you. I don’t think that rushing defense is your strength.

I predicted a 20-30 point Bulldog victory with Fresno getting 350 yards on the ground and 175 through the air. The yardages are more-or-less in line with our usual production adjusted upward to reflect your defensive stats. The margin of victory, and victory itself of course, depend upon a lot of factors.

But my call is based in large measure upon our relative stats.

Total Offense
Fresno State: 435.92 yards per game
Wyoming: 298.67 yards per game

Total Defense
Fresno State: 411.67 yards per game
Wyoming: 395.58 yards per game

Scoring Offense
Fresno State: 34.33 points per game
Wyoming: 16.92 points per game

Scoring Defense
Fresno State: 27.83 points per game
Wyoming: 27.25 points per game

In short, our offensive production is much greater than yours and your defensive production, while nominally better than ours, isn’t materially so. We’ve scored twice the points that you have and we’ve given up almost exactly the same number. Even a marginally tougher SOS doesn’t begin to offset the statistical differences that existed in the regular season.

Our punter and place kicker are among the best in the nation – both are first team all WAC. (The punter would be #1 in the nation but he isn’t nationally ranked as our offense has been so productive that he doesn’t meet the minimum number of punts to be included.)

That said, as pointed out upthread, we have done a poor job of forcing turnovers and have been generous ourselves in handing them out. Additionally, Hill’s teams are famous for disappearing when they don’t feel “motivated” by an opponent.

The game is not played on paper, however. Statistics measuring past performance have little to do with the outcome of this or any other game. I think we are the more talented team but if Wyoming is fired up and forces turnovers while Fresno does not, we could just as easily lose by 20 to 30 points as win by that margin.

Yoda out…
 

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