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Senior Bowl update
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fromolwyoming
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Great job for them!
pokefanchaz7
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People like to hate on Dave Christensen but he brought both these kids to Laramie and if Brett goes pro this year three pokes likely get drafted and when was the last time that happened?
kdwrightuwyo
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DC could recruit...there isn't a whole lot of argument there...it was his inability to coach up that talent that most of us were pissed at. Either way, wish those two seniors play hard and make it to the next level. I hope Smith returns, mainly because I just got a new Smith jersey for Christmas.
lakesbison
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1 of bohls kids. 66 318 billy turner will be there from.NDSU
BeaverPoke
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kdwrightuwyo said:
This is why I think Bohl could succeed here.
Let's say, hypothetically, our biggest fear about him not being able to recruit FBS, MWC talent IS true.
Well to start, he will have some talent to work with left over from DC.
Everyone knows that he is a much better COACH, and could have some good success right away. I'm not saying MWC champs or anything, but an 8 win season, similar to CSU's this year. If we can have some good success right away, Bohl will be able to recruit better kids, as they want to play for a winner.
Basically, if he can't recruit the kids we need, he can hide that by winning right away then by default, getting commitments out of better kids simply by us winning.
But then again, if he CAN recruit, and coach, then, Wyo should be REALLY good.
BeaverPoke
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J-Rod said:
I don't doubt we will struggle, especially with our schedule, but the difference is, we have so much more talent on the team, even if Brett leaves, than CSU had after they fired McElwain.
Then again, CSU has been able to get some pretty big O-Lines throughout the past 5 or so years, and we haven't had any, so our talent might be negated by a weak O-Line.
J-Rod
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I see what you're trying to say BP, but sorry....that's the brown and gold shades talking right there. UW has a ways to go at various positions. I watched those Fresno State/Boise State/Utah State games...each one made Wyoming look FCS-caliber. The talent is not there just yet. It will take Bohl a few recruiting classes to get nasty and in peoples face effectively.BeaverPoke said:
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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You mean the Boise who looked FCS caliber tonight? Coaching means a lot.... They have a team of talented players who looked like a junior high team tonight....J-Rod said:
BeaverPoke
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J-Rod said:
So you really think the CSU team Fairchild had in his last season had more talent than this team last year?
How... They had gone like 3-9 for 3 straight years at that point.
CSU probably has more talent than us NOW, but when McElwain was hired compared to when Bohl was hired, UW had more talent. ESPECIALLY if Brett comes back for his senior year, the comparison won't even be close.
BeaverPoke
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The year before McElwain got hired, the Rams had a TOTAL of 2215 pass yards. Brett had 3375 pass yards last season.
CSU had 2002 rush yards, and Wyo last season had 2285.
CSU had 12 Pass TD and 17 rush TD, a total of 29, Brett alone had 29 passing TDs, and the team had 21 rush TDs.
I really don't see how you think CSU then was ahead of us now.
I'm not saying we are ahead of CSU now, I think we are pretty far behind, but Bohl is coming into a MUCH BETTER situation than McElwain was, in terms of talent on the team.
CSU had 2002 rush yards, and Wyo last season had 2285.
CSU had 12 Pass TD and 17 rush TD, a total of 29, Brett alone had 29 passing TDs, and the team had 21 rush TDs.
I really don't see how you think CSU then was ahead of us now.
I'm not saying we are ahead of CSU now, I think we are pretty far behind, but Bohl is coming into a MUCH BETTER situation than McElwain was, in terms of talent on the team.
BeaverPoke
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J-Rod said:
Look at those stats J-Rod, that isn't homerism, the fact is we are much better off than they were.
BeaverPoke
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J-Rod said:
Yes Wyo went 4-8 and 5-7, that is why we fired our coach.
But strictly looking at the talent levels of the players, how are we not in a better spot than they were?
Obviously, if we had a coach that was worth a damn at actually coaching we wouldn't have gone 4-8 and 5-7, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Again, look at the players stats, not the previous coaches track record, and see who has the talent. To think CSU has what we have now is crazy, they weren't even close to what we have now, especially if Smith stays.
And when you are comparing two really bad teams like this, there is a big difference in three, 3-9 years totaling 9-27 compared to 8-5, 4-8, 5-7 totaling 17-20.
Even just the last 2 years, 9-15 vs 6-18. We had 150% as many wins.
I'm not arguing that we are good now or we wouldn't have fired our coach, but Bohl is coming into a better situation than McElwain was. I really don't see how you don't see that.
Dutchnation
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J-rod,
99% of the time I agree with you and your points on the board. Especially when it comes to BP and his predictions. But I think I am going to go out on a limb and say that our team will be much improved next year. Our game preparation and coaching was the worst in all of college football. It was bad. Really bad. I felt like the talent we had on the field was better than the opponents some of the time. Sure, we have some holes to fill. But even with our O Line and our D line, I think we will see vast improvements next season. After seeing the way ndsu plays. Their discipline is so refreshing. It's the way we used to play under coach Roach. With the current landscape of the MWC I think we can be competing for MWC titles again soon. Bohl is a winner. I am so excited for disciplined football. Probably the hardest thing for me the past 10 years had been losing because we have been out schemed, out coached, and unprepared in every way. DC was a loser. Which is why he kneeled on the ball at the end of 1st halves when we were losing "but close enough". Go back and look at how Brett responded when he was told to kneel. He was pissed. Because Brett is a winner and DC is loser. And coach Bohl is a winner. Kool aid has been fully consumed.
99% of the time I agree with you and your points on the board. Especially when it comes to BP and his predictions. But I think I am going to go out on a limb and say that our team will be much improved next year. Our game preparation and coaching was the worst in all of college football. It was bad. Really bad. I felt like the talent we had on the field was better than the opponents some of the time. Sure, we have some holes to fill. But even with our O Line and our D line, I think we will see vast improvements next season. After seeing the way ndsu plays. Their discipline is so refreshing. It's the way we used to play under coach Roach. With the current landscape of the MWC I think we can be competing for MWC titles again soon. Bohl is a winner. I am so excited for disciplined football. Probably the hardest thing for me the past 10 years had been losing because we have been out schemed, out coached, and unprepared in every way. DC was a loser. Which is why he kneeled on the ball at the end of 1st halves when we were losing "but close enough". Go back and look at how Brett responded when he was told to kneel. He was pissed. Because Brett is a winner and DC is loser. And coach Bohl is a winner. Kool aid has been fully consumed.
I don't think the cupboard is bare by any stretch ... and it is difficult to tell how much it was schemes and coaching vs. how much of it was talent. But I will say this. When we played the upper tier teams in the MWC, which were not as upper tier as in the past, we were beaten on the lines and we were often beaten badly. This was a year we could've made a serious threat at the MWC championship. But once we started playing upper tier teams, we got beat with regularity in the trenches. We also had difficulty with our receivers getting any separation from defenders--which was surprising because I viewed that as one area DC recruited well in.
But the point is that DC did not recruit lineman well (with a few exceptions, Eddie Y. being one major one). If you paid attention, lineman were often the last players DC recruited and we did not recruit enough of them early on. It almost seemed like an afterthought with DC recruiting. And after that Texas State game, teams figured out that they could play smash-mouth football against us.
That is where Bohl and group will have to change things. CSU is ahead of us on the line as well. I am hoping some JC recruits can come in and offer immediate help. I know we have redshirts and maybe a few there will step up as well. But we will see lineman being recruited first from here on out. And that is exactly what we need.
But the point is that DC did not recruit lineman well (with a few exceptions, Eddie Y. being one major one). If you paid attention, lineman were often the last players DC recruited and we did not recruit enough of them early on. It almost seemed like an afterthought with DC recruiting. And after that Texas State game, teams figured out that they could play smash-mouth football against us.
That is where Bohl and group will have to change things. CSU is ahead of us on the line as well. I am hoping some JC recruits can come in and offer immediate help. I know we have redshirts and maybe a few there will step up as well. But we will see lineman being recruited first from here on out. And that is exactly what we need.
