SEC over 31 mill per school

[J-Rod]

There are some on the MWC board who post similar things. You have FresnoFanatic who is borderline tin foil hat wearer with his obsession, LoboBlast and his ridiculous obsession of State schools over "city state" (like Boise State or SDSU), and several Aztec Posters that still crave to be in C-USA 2.0. AKA, the AAC.

lol that is hilarious. There are like 600K people in Albuquerque.

 

[fromolwyoming]

There are some on the MWC board who post similar things. You have FresnoFanatic who is borderline tin foil hat wearer with his obsession, LoboBlast and his ridiculous obsession of State schools over "city state" (like Boise State or SDSU), and several Aztec Posters that still crave to be in C-USA 2.0. AKA, the AAC.

lol that is hilarious. There are like 600K people in Albuquerque.

Which makes his obsession all the more puzzling.

 

[JimmyDimes]

ESPN is most to blame for this. Don't they run the SEC network? They control the bowls, the polls, and the conferences via TV contracts and every cable/satalite subscriber pays multiple hundreds of dollars to that single network alone every year (knowingly or otherwise). The only say we have is our dollars and they are compounding in a big way - cut the cord and let them implode.

To paraphrase a line from, probably one of the worst sci-fi movies of the '80s, Dune..."whoever controls ESPN controls college football"

Or better yet...Appease ESPN and the world's your oyster....hint, hint, Boise State.

espn/P5 also controls the ncaa. They have hated Wyoming since the power fail debacle in the night football game against Utah which was an abc/espn joint telecast (and probably before that).

That was a colossal disaster beyond anything I've seen regarding Wyoming football.

Shit happens and not just at Wyoming. It was a cold night and the power went out. Wyoming isn't alone is this department and I don't classify as a disaster by any mean. It was a football game.

 

[JimmyDimes]

There are some on the MWC board who post similar things. You have FresnoFanatic who is borderline tin foil hat wearer with his obsession, LoboBlast and his ridiculous obsession of State schools over "city state" (like Boise State or SDSU), and several Aztec Posters that still crave to be in C-USA 2.0. AKA, the AAC.

lol that is hilarious. There are like 600K people in Albuquerque.

There isn't a team in the MWC that warrants a spot with the big boys. We are all too small...including Boise. But whenever a CSU or SDSU fan starts talking about expansion, I just have to roll my eyes.

 

[J-Rod]

There isn't a team in the MWC that warrants a spot with the big boys. We are all too small...including Boise. But whenever a CSU or SDSU fan starts talking about expansion, I just have to roll my eyes.

CSU in particular...I hope they enjoyed their brief moment in the spotlight. Much like Fresno with Carr, they lucked into Grayson. Their double-digit win season was not a sign of things to come, but an aberration on the back of a great QB. Without him, that team is garbage and the tumble back to earth will be long and hard. They better get their high horse comments in while they can, cause by December...they'll just be CSU again.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

The more I think about this, the more I wonder about expansion. Usually, the golden rule of thumb to follow the money is the best indicator.

Taking the current payout of about 318 million (my rough calculations based on 50 mill per conference, 24 mill for participation in playoff, 24 mill for participation in other "BCS" bowls, 20 mill for expenditure allowance) to the P5 from the playoff that would mean about 4-5 mill per team for 65 teams. That increases by about 1 mill per team if you drop 10. That is just playoff money. If you add in TV money, I bet each team of that got in would increase revenue by 5-10 million.

They also could do away with body bag games for whatever that costs them.

Eliminating 10 teams would do nothing to reduce viewership. Imagine 4 conferences of 14 teams playing only against each other. All of the TV dollars would go to that group. Up to 28 games a week. No need for much more content than that.

Only a handful of schools, even with the record profits in football, run a profitable athletics program. I don't see how adding schools or conferences to the P5 adds money to the P5. They can increase the playoff without adding teams. If it doesn't add money, it aint happenin.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Makes you wonder though, how despite all that money, so many of those programs still operate in the red.

 

[J-Rod]

Makes you wonder though, how despite all that money, so many of those programs still operate in the red.

Some of the numbers are hard to verify too. Some programs funnel a lot of that money back into the university...you know, how it's supposed to be. Others *cough*SEC*cough* like to keep a lot of them for the themselves. There are a few programs in the MW that charge a ton in student fees, others not so much.

My latest pet peeve is USU. They will now get tax money to pay for the stipends to "keep up" with the top programs at the non-P5 level, claiming they desperately need it to survive. Then not too long after that, they suddenly announce huge plans to renovate their suites/press box/stadium. I'm sorry, not going to get political, but that's college football welfare issues right there. Claim they need help, but then spend lots of money on that project. Why couldn't that money go to the stipends?

Say what you will about Wyoming on the field, but at least UW does things right financially off it.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

My latest pet peeve is USU. They will now get tax money to pay for the stipends to "keep up" with the top programs at the non-P5 level, claiming they desperately need it to survive. Then not too long after that, they suddenly announce huge plans to renovate their suites/press box/stadium.
Say what you will about Wyoming on the field, but at least UW does things right financially off it.

To be fair, we are just as bad. I am not usu fan by any means (actually the opposite---can't stand those guys), but we also just solicited the State for money and then turned around to announce the HAT. I know it is a little different, but our athletic department survives on the state teat as much or more so than any other program around.

I'm not knocking it, but it certainly is something that is going to be heavily evaluated in the near future.

I get that athletics is the front porch, but without the national exposure, I'm not sure that is the case. Hell, look at FCS. Outside of maybe a program or two, how much does athletics benefit the University? A fun activity and good for the student body and student athletes, sure, but certainly not worth pumping tens of millions of dollars into.

We are approaching the same thing. When a split occurs, will trying to sustain athletics at this amount of money really be worth it? Is the front porch that important if the house is out in the country where no one sees it?

 

[SnowyRange]

I get that athletics is the front porch, but without the national exposure, I'm not sure that is the case. Hell, look at FCS. Outside of maybe a program or two, how much does athletics benefit the University? A fun activity and good for the student body and student athletes, sure, but certainly not worth pumping tens of millions of dollars into.

Spot on.

A lot of schools are going to confront this question about their football programs over the next 20 years.

 

[JimmyDimes]

I get that athletics is the front porch, but without the national exposure, I'm not sure that is the case. Hell, look at FCS. Outside of maybe a program or two, how much does athletics benefit the University? A fun activity and good for the student body and student athletes, sure, but certainly not worth pumping tens of millions of dollars into.

Spot on.

A lot of schools are going to confront this question about their football programs over the next 20 years.

Depends. If MWC and similar programs want to try to hang with the P5, then yes I see this happening. Not many programs have the financial ability to come up with the stipend.

However, if a break between divisions occurs, then a mid division can be created, with similar schools, who won't need to feel the need to compete with the P5.

Regardless, this whole mess smells stinky and could very well ruin college football.

 

[GoPokes86]

I think we're starting to see the beginning of the end of college football as we know it. The P5 conferences have already made the NCAA a completely worthless regulatory agency simply because of the amount of money coming in to these programs. If the NCAA does anything to fall out of favor with the P5, I can see the P5 splitting entirely and forming their own football league that is loosely affiliated with the university. The NCAA is completely powerless, because without P5 football they lose a huge revenue source too, so the NCAA will bend over for the P5 at all costs to try and remain a functioning entity. They've already given in on paying student athletes, what's next even more lax academic requirements? I'd imagine so. Essentially we will start seeing a minor league for the NFL, then everyone else that can't afford to keep up will be playing football at a level that receives DII or DIII attention(championship games only).

I hope I'm terribly wrong and being shortsighted here, but this is just my gut feeling on the future of college football.

 

[J-Rod]

I think we're starting to see the beginning of the end of college football as we know it. The P5 conferences have already made the NCAA a completely worthless regulatory agency simply because of the amount of money coming in to these programs. If the NCAA does anything to fall out of favor with the P5, I can see the P5 splitting entirely and forming their own football league that is loosely affiliated with the university. The NCAA is completely powerless, because without P5 football they lose a huge revenue source too, so the NCAA will bend over for the P5 at all costs to try and remain a functioning entity. They've already given in on paying student athletes, what's next even more lax academic requirements? I'd imagine so. Essentially we will start seeing a minor league for the NFL, then everyone else that can't afford to keep up will be playing football at a level that receives DII or DIII attention(championship games only).

I hope I'm terribly wrong and being shortsighted here, but this is just my gut feeling on the future of college football.

It's a bleak outlook, but you're not off base. These are rough times for us fans of the little guy.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

, then everyone else that can't afford to keep up will be playing football at a level that receives DII or DIII attention(championship games only).

I think you are mostly right. The main issue that I have (with them and the reason for "mostly right") is that we won't have the opportunity to keep up even if we had the means and desire to. We won't even be able to compete in the upper level even if we want to do so with fewer resources. It is a damn shame, but you are right. We will be in some sort of division that is equivalent to FCS.

I think the playoff contract is for 12 years (could be wrong on that--just off the top of my head)?? I hope it (we) last that long and Bohl can do wonderful things because I truly believe this is our last chance before the CFB apocalypse.

 

[McPeachy]

We have discussed this many times here, and the consensus is the same - the future doesn't look great...in fact, it looks quite bleak and sad. NCAA FBS football as we have known it - since our arrival - is coming to an end, one way or another.

And on that note, what exactly has Wyoming done to try to get into that "next level" since the mid to late 90's? Moon dummied UW down...Barta tried to pick it back up somewhat (only to recognize he needed to GTFO) and then we hired the "Wyoming Guy"...who has done nothing but stay the course (good enough is good enough) or honestly, put UW athletics in reverse.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

And on that note, what exactly has Wyoming done to try to get into that "next level" since the mid to late 90's? Moon dummied UW down...Barta tried to pick it back up somewhat (only to recognize he needed to GTFO) and then we hired the "Wyoming Guy"...who has done nothing but stay the course (good enough is good enough) or honestly, put UW athletics in reverse.

My frustrations with the AD are well known, but I'm afraid the only thing they robbed us of was good memories. That is what pisses me off more than anything; the next level is not success based or even an attainable target.

BSU will not be going to the next level and one really couldn't succeed much more than them. byu will not be going to the next level and they are the largest "market" of the G5. Once small guys started crashing the BCS, it was over.

 

[J-Rod]

Once the game became all about T.V. $$$ and market size, we knew the little guy was in trouble. Wyoming will live to play, and can succeed...but the fans who consider "success" to be seeing Wyoming's name consistently up there with USC, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. as a college football power, it's officially time to lower the bar. It's not happening.

 

[Wyokie]

Once the game became all about T.V. $$$ and market size, we knew the little guy was in trouble. Wyoming will live to play, and can succeed...but the fans who consider "success" to be seeing Wyoming's name consistently up there with USC, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. as a college football power, it's officially time to lower the bar. It's not happening.

uke: F U BYU and the Black 14 mess. Had that not happened who knows where UW coulda been. Boise BEFORE Boise?

 

[J-Rod]

uke: F U BYU and the Black 14 mess. Had that not happened who knows where UW coulda been. Boise BEFORE Boise?

Boise's success and rise are an aberration in all of sports. Wyoming didn't start to struggle until the Dimel incident. I highly doubt the effects of the Black 14 mess took 30+ years to materialize.

But it doesn't matter...coulda, shoulda, woulda...reality is what it is. Can't go back to the 1969 and change things.

You give BYU far too much credit. I hate them as much as anybody, but they didn't hold back Wyoming from being a CFB power.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Once the game became all about T.V. $$$ and market size, we knew the little guy was in trouble. Wyoming will live to play, and can succeed...but the fans who consider "success" to be seeing Wyoming's name consistently up there with USC, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. as a college football power, it's officially time to lower the bar. It's not happening.

I think Wyoming's goals stay the same......win conference, get ranked, and win a bowl.

At least Wyoming fans don't claim to have a shot at getting a spot at the big boys table (most anyway). Some fan bases think building a stadium is all they need to do. Stupid sheep.

Go Pokes!!