SEC over 31 mill per school

[WestWYOPoke]

Once the game became all about T.V. $$$ and market size, we knew the little guy was in trouble. Wyoming will live to play, and can succeed...but the fans who consider "success" to be seeing Wyoming's name consistently up there with USC, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. as a college football power, it's officially time to lower the bar. It's not happening.

uke: F U BYU and the Black 14 mess. Had that not happened who knows where UW coulda been. Boise BEFORE Boise?

As much as I would like to blame those guys for anything and everything, I don't think Wyo had any chance of ever achieving the upper echelon of college sports. Even if we had stayed successful past those years post-Black 14, we would have eventually fallen. Laramie and Wyoming just aren't big enough to support the kind of program that would allow us to be considered for a spot at the table with the big boys. As much as I would like to think we could have, we would never had maintained our success because of the amount of money that started getting funneled into athletic programs in the 90's; even if we were ranked every year until then, we couldn't compete financially with the Texas, Alabama, Ohio State's of the world.

 

[J-Rod]

As much as I would like to blame those guys for anything and everything, I don't think Wyo had any chance of ever achieving the upper echelon of college sports. Even if we had stayed successful past those years post-Black 14, we would have eventually fallen. Laramie and Wyoming just aren't big enough to support the kind of program that would allow us to be considered for a spot at the table with the big boys. As much as I would like to think we could have, we would never had maintained our success because of the amount of money that started getting funneled into athletic programs in the 90's; even if we were ranked every year until then, we couldn't compete financially with the Texas, Alabama, Ohio State's of the world.

Yep, what he said.

 

[McPeachy]

As much as I would like to blame those guys for anything and everything, I don't think Wyo had any chance of ever achieving the upper echelon of college sports. Even if we had stayed successful past those years post-Black 14, we would have eventually fallen. Laramie and Wyoming just aren't big enough to support the kind of program that would allow us to be considered for a spot at the table with the big boys. As much as I would like to think we could have, we would never had maintained our success because of the amount of money that started getting funneled into athletic programs in the 90's; even if we were ranked every year until then, we couldn't compete financially with the Texas, Alabama, Ohio State's of the world.

I think you have some good points to argue. But I offer this - without parity (some), Wyoming football is dying a slow death compared to the 80's / 90's and prior. And that gap that exists, just keeps getting larger and larger. Could Wyoming have survived with just gate / ticket revenue parity? I argue yes, that we could have...we could have found a way (like Wildcatter, party deck, seat premiums, knothole revenue, etc., etc., etc.). Can Wyoming survive with TV (and all that it brings) parity? No way in hell. Football budget vs. football budget, we don't have a shot against the top 50 or so in FBS. How sad.

Hard to say how it will look 20 years from now. God help me, if I am still alive, from losing my mind when we turn into fricking Butler or Witchita State...and put all our eggs in the hardcourt basket.

 

[Wyokie]

Hard to say how it will look 20 years from now. God help me, if I am still alive, from losing my mind when we turn into fricking Butler or Witchita State...and put all our eggs in the hardcourt basket.

Oh...gawd...I hope not. uke:

 

[Wyokie]

As much as I would like to blame those guys for anything and everything, I don't think Wyo had any chance of ever achieving the upper echelon of college sports. Even if we had stayed successful past those years post-Black 14, we would have eventually fallen. Laramie and Wyoming just aren't big enough to support the kind of program that would allow us to be considered for a spot at the table with the big boys. As much as I would like to think we could have, we would never had maintained our success because of the amount of money that started getting funneled into athletic programs in the 90's; even if we were ranked every year until then, we couldn't compete financially with the Texas, Alabama, Ohio State's of the world.

But...if we had super rich alums or rich people who lives in Wyoming donated a hell of a lot of $$ like Boone Pickens has with Okie State, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We would be going "which NY6 bowl do you all want to go to this year?" a la Boise State!!!!

 

[J-Rod]

But...if we had super rich alums or rich people who lives in Wyoming donated a hell of a lot of $$ like Boone Pickens has with Okie State, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We would be going "which NY6 bowl do you all want to go to this year?" a la Boise State!!!!

...and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. Why even discuss this? It's a fantasy. The situation is what it is. All we can hope now is that Bohl is legit and the new facility makes an impact on recruiting.

And frankly, even in that fantasy scenario you drew up, Wyoming is still not going to a major bowl annually. In no alternate dimension is Wyoming the Alabama of the Front Range.

 

[SnowyRange]

Could Wyoming have survived with just gate / ticket revenue parity? I argue yes, that we could have...we could have found a way (like Wildcatter, party deck, seat premiums, knothole revenue, etc., etc., etc.).

Well, we'll "survive" no matter what -- in a scaled-back environment for the many schools like us -- but, no, there is simply no way for us to be competitive even in the gate/ticket revenue.

Look at the SEC. Their average home attendance is 78,000. Their average ticket price is, conservatively, $140.

This is, what, almost an order of magnitude greater than we can pull in per game?

The Big Ten and the Pac-12 would be close to them I'm sure, probably slightly lower.

It's like these guys are putting on a Bruce Springsteen at Yankee Stadium deal every Saturday.

My point is only to underscore how far we, and schools like us, are removed from the veritable fucking tsunami of money that's rolled into college football in the last 20 years. It kills me, but there it is.

 

[Wyokie]

I hate defeatist attitudes. One of my biggest pet peeves!!!!!!!!!!

AT LEAST...Try. If it doesn't work, O.K. but at least try.

UW isn't trying nor acts like it wants to. THAT'S what pisses me off!!!! :tickedoff:

If UW actually tried and it failed, O.K. we'll lower expectations.

 

[J-Rod]

I hate defeatist attitudes. One of my biggest pet peeves!!!!!!!!!!

AT LEAST...Try. If it doesn't work, O.K. but at least try.

UW isn't trying nor acts like it wants to. THAT'S what pisses me off!!!! :tickedoff:

If UW actually tried and it failed, O.K. we'll lower expectations.

Who isn't trying? A new football facility is being erected soon. Burman went out and hired Craig Bohl. Wyoming can't realistically do any better than him. He was a home run hire. Wyoming is trying, and has been for years. None of these things is going to put 80K fans in one stadium in Laramie on Saturday's, or put several major bowl trophies in the trophy case. Wyoming is what it is...what makes it a glorious state to live in also makes it difficult to exist as a power in the way college sports is run now. It's unfortunate, but it's also the truth...and there isn't anything wrong with it either.

 

[SnowyRange]

If UW actually tried and it failed, O.K. we'll lower expectations.

Tried what?

80,000 head at $150 a ticket at every home game, and $25mm rolling in from a TV contract?

I don't know. Maybe it never occurred to anyone.

 

[alyssa]

The TV people know that y'all all have a favorite SEC team and will watch the games and buy the sponsors products and so on.

 

[J-Rod]

The TV people know that y'all all have a favorite SEC team and will watch the games and buy the sponsors products and so on.

Contrary to that, I do my best to avoid Verne and Gary on Saturday's.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

The TV people know that y'all all have a favorite SEC team and will watch the games and buy the sponsors products and so on.

Actually, that doesn't and we don't really matter. The population centers that drive ratings don't really care about G5 teams. There aren't enough fans of G5 teams to drive increased ratings or advertising dollars. That was well demonstrated over the past 15 years. byu was kind of an unknown, but their ratings over the past few years have been average at best. They really don't provide a bump above and beyond any other G5 team which is why, despite their delusions, they are destined to be an independent G5 member.

It is 100% advertising, marketing, and TV ratings. G5 teams are simply irrelevant in this regard and thus destined to irrelevancy in CFB.

Despite our many shortcomings (by the AD) at WYO, there isn't much we could do about that. Even if we were consistently better than BSU has been (pretty tall order), we would still be in the same spot just with a better argument of how we are getting screwed. At the end of the day, we would still be screwed just as BSU is. We still have a few years of trying to run with the big dogs, so relish it. If Bohl works miracles, cherish every second.

 

[laxwyo]

There's a reason why pro sports have mechanisms to keep parity.

 

[Wyo2dal]

The TV people know that y'all all have a favorite SEC team and will watch the games and buy the sponsors products and so on.

Gross rooting for an SEC Team makes my skin boil. I'll root for anyone against them they are what is wrong with College Football.

 

[alyssa]

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Just an article I did not want to make a thread for about biggest winners and losers after the realignments of the last few years. I don't know if anyone posted it.

Texas still gets mo' money.