SDPokeFan
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I was very worried his loosy-goosy inmates run the asylum style would backfire. Turns out it’s catastrophic.
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Sawvel - Further Thoughts
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ragtimejoe1
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A coaching hire appeared to be focused on promoting previous coach's son. What could go wrong?
Anyone notice the step back on d line?
Anyone notice the step back on d line?
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Anybody know what Sawvel had to say after the game? If it was anything other than ‘Our coaching staff failed miserably in every way possible and we are going to change the way we do things starting tomorrow’, then I don’t know if I can continue to watch this team the rest of the season.
That was so bad. That coaching staff should be so embarrassed, they should be in Burman’s office today offering to resign.
That was so bad. That coaching staff should be so embarrassed, they should be in Burman’s office today offering to resign.
As Wyoming embarrassed themselves last night I thought to myself. "well...people (ragtimejoe1..*cough*) who didn't like the hire are going to fall all over themselves thinking this was the obvious inevitable result".
I'll continue to say what I've said before....Sawvell may be a bad head coach (looking like a strong position to take after yesterday)...but there is no intellectually honest way to tie that to Aaron Bohl's promotion. He's either a good coach or not. I think SDpoke's comments about the "grab-ass" era are pretty spot on.
LanderPoke
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Completely lost that battle. We got pushed back 3 yards instantly. We used to plug gaps, but it looks like we tried to go straight up and lost each individual battle almost every play
ragtimejoe1
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I wondered if losing Oscar would be a problem. Maybe it didn't matter who was in that coaching spot since it seems like the wheels fell off everywhere.
ragtimejoe1
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I'm not falling over myself. I'm disappointed. I was hoping PBJ would knock it out of the park.
Lol, yeah, whatever on Sawvell being the best candidate with no ties to the Junior promotion. I take the ostrich approach at times myself.
*Yawn* the predictable straw man comes out. Are you getting this from comments I've made? If there has been a sentiment that Sawvell was the"best" candidate... It was a decided minority.
I will wait one week to start fashioning any nooses but I do have questions:
1. How good is ASU?
2. Why didn’t we abandon the no huddle when it was clear we were going no where and killing an already depleted defense?
3. Where did our offensive line go? They got smoked all night. Is it the new scheme that takes away what was a strength? I warned that MSU fans hated Johnson precisely because of the performances we saw last night (lateral schemes, no sense of game situations, no ability to adjust, etc). Some on this board said it was all Tucker’s fault. We shall see.
4. Where were the big nasty guys we were promised on the d line? We miss Oscar.
5. Why were our LBs out of position all night?
6. Why couldn’t our defensive secondary stay within 15 yards of any receiver for ASU?
Our defensive scheme and fundamentals were garbage, which does not speak well for Junior.
Oddly Idaho will define our season. We lose, this thing spirals out of control and we may not win a game. We win and show growth, we might salvage a season. I’m very concerned. I think BSU, Nevada and UNM won the offseason coaching hire draft. Burman, by playing it safe, may have another Linder on his hands or, my fear, another Koenning.
1. How good is ASU?
2. Why didn’t we abandon the no huddle when it was clear we were going no where and killing an already depleted defense?
3. Where did our offensive line go? They got smoked all night. Is it the new scheme that takes away what was a strength? I warned that MSU fans hated Johnson precisely because of the performances we saw last night (lateral schemes, no sense of game situations, no ability to adjust, etc). Some on this board said it was all Tucker’s fault. We shall see.
4. Where were the big nasty guys we were promised on the d line? We miss Oscar.
5. Why were our LBs out of position all night?
6. Why couldn’t our defensive secondary stay within 15 yards of any receiver for ASU?
Our defensive scheme and fundamentals were garbage, which does not speak well for Junior.
Oddly Idaho will define our season. We lose, this thing spirals out of control and we may not win a game. We win and show growth, we might salvage a season. I’m very concerned. I think BSU, Nevada and UNM won the offseason coaching hire draft. Burman, by playing it safe, may have another Linder on his hands or, my fear, another Koenning.
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ragtimejoe1
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OK not best candidate and also not tied to junior's promotion...makes sense
ragtimejoe1
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For the record I fully realize that 1 game doesn't make a season or career. We'll see how PBJ responds the rest of the year.
Well.... If you have a smoking gun that convinces everybody about the link... Please provide it. And again... Even if that were definitely the case. It has no bearing the coaching abilities of Sawvell. He's either a good coach or he isn't.
you'll notice I never claimed he was any good. I just took issue with your description of the causes and motivations of everybody involved in his hiring.
ragtimejoe1
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Do you honestly believe Burman would admit he and old Bohl made an arrangement to get Junior a job? Really? You don't believe the Sawvell hire and the junior promotion are related; I get it. Me? I don't believe in coincidences of that magnitude.
It is extremely obvious to everyone that coaching ABILITY of Sawvell is independent of nepotism and NOBODY is arguing otherwise. HOWEVER, it is entirely possible that better coaching candidates were passed over or not even considered because any other hire would be unlikely to put junior as dc. Yes, I fully believe the plan was hatched to move Sawvell to hc, junior to dc, and no other options were considered because other options didn't have junior as dc. Yes, I fully believe old Bohl made sure of that prior to retirement.
I get that you don't believe that. Like I said, fair enough. I sometimes take an ostrich approach as well.
seattlecowboy
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We won’t know how good ASU is for a few weeks just like every team. Except for the real bad ones who get beat down every game. Like Wyoming looks like they will do.
I think ASU is better than their team last year but don’t think they will be anything special.
What was very evident to me was this team wasn’t ready to play. They have obviously had it a lot easier during the off season and pre-camp and fall camp leading up to the season than they ever did with Bohl.
They have no discipline. They aren’t tough anymore. Everything Bohl had built up was blown up in one off season.
Not sure how Svboda was so bad. He played as good a game as you could have at Texas last year as a freshman. Then had a good drive in the bowl game. He obviously got a lot worse in the off season. All has to do with coaching. Lines are both not tough or disciplined. Again all due to coaching.
If you wanna be a players coach you still need to be tough as hell on the kids without demeaning anyone and being positive. You can’t be chummy chummy with them.
Not saying Sawvel was but he strikes me as the type of guy that is too easy going to be a head football coach and is more of a “ah shucks” type of guy. That just won’t work. Unless Sawvel wants to start getting into peoples asses and making them accountable this will just get worse.
Whatever went on in the off season seems to have been like a merry go round.
Although I won’t be surprised if Wyoming wins at home against Idaho just because they may be flat after their game in Eugene and Wyoming “should be” pissed after how they played.
People will think everything is better only to get our butts kicked the next two games after and the slide will continue. This coaching staff without a hard nose coach at the helm will be too soft on the players. Last night looked like a DC defense but with out his offense. Was like a worse Bohl offense with a DC defense.
Just putrid.
Asmodeanreborn
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From the get go, Wyoming didn't look like they even wanted to be there. They got beaten on pretty much every play regardless of which side of the ball. Even more concerning, how many plays were several players just watching rather than playing until the whistle?
How does a team with this many seniors screw up so badly in the first game? I get mistakes and miscues, but attitude and effort are non-negotiable, and neither was there yesterday.
How does a team with this many seniors screw up so badly in the first game? I get mistakes and miscues, but attitude and effort are non-negotiable, and neither was there yesterday.
I "believe" your assertions of nepotism and prior arrangements as much as I don't believe them...which is to say....zero. This corresponds with the amount of evidence you and I have of it happening. You have, at times, called it your opinion when pressed...and you'll pardon me if when you don't acknowledge it as your opinion, I continue to press. Again...If Bohl says something in an interview or some other information is out there...point me to it and I'll immediately have a different opinion on this. For now though...the elevation of Sawvell is too easy to explain based on other factors. I'm taking issue (again) with your claims of nepotistic malfeasance in the absence of knowing anything. It is impossible to make the claim you are making and call it anything other than an opinion.
I am glad that you feel the same way that I do about Sawvell's coaching ability not being linked to nepotism. I will add that if there is rampant nepotism, then that is a sub-optimal way to identify talent or excellence.
This goes back to some of our other conversations about the approach that we would like to see from the athletic department and University administration. My fear is that Sawvell is not a good coach and we will not move off of him quickly. This is not a post-DC situation where there is nothing in the cupboard. To end this season less than .500 would be a colossal under-achievement that should be unacceptable. The team I saw last night will not get to .500. If that does not change, I hope they pull the plug.
WYO1016
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"Nobody can prove that my conspiracy theory is not accurate, so it has to be true."
Same logic behind Kubrick faking the moon landing. You seem like the kind of fool that is onboard with that theory, too.
ragtimejoe1
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Lol, you guys believe whatever you want. Maybe I'm on an island on this one, but, I find it very unlikely that coincidences like this happen.
Either way, PBJ is in the driver seat and I hope like hell he can get the train on the track.
Either way, PBJ is in the driver seat and I hope like hell he can get the train on the track.
"belief" has no valance here. I see no evidence...and apparently neither do you. This is all in the realm of opinion without some evidence. You have a strong opinion informed by some correlated coincidences. I'll even go so far as to say you have been articulate and interesting in putting forth that opinion. I neither believe or disbelieve you. My interest has been in whether or not Sawvell is a good coach. In the many threads you have entered into that were about hopes and predictions for the Sawvell era, you have put forth some version of your opinion on the (supposed) nepotistic way he got his job. Beyond pointing out that we will likely never know if the way you describe it going down actually happened, I have pointed out that it won't matter at all in the face of the team's actual performance this season. The hire (and Burman I suppose) will be evaluated on wins/losses, post-season success (or lack thereof), and conference championship contention.
OrediggerPoke
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The question is how do we get out of this mess. Sawvel has multiple years of guaranteed salary and with a buyout that exceeded Bohl’s.
We already know what the Vic Koenning type hire can do to a program and fan support. To me and given where we are at in conference and team movement - we can’t afford to keep this staff more than this year. The other option is to fold the program.
The legislature is not going to solve this problem. The entire University is about to see cuts like it has never seen before.
Maury Brown and the McMurrays are no longer around to solve the problem. They will be forever remembered and thanked.
So where does the money come from? My idea - shut off the 1wyo NIL nonsense. The best players in the world aren’t saving the team with an incompetent staff. We will need to see a real money drive not to pay players but to pay for a new staff to restore what Bohl spent a decade building.
We already know what the Vic Koenning type hire can do to a program and fan support. To me and given where we are at in conference and team movement - we can’t afford to keep this staff more than this year. The other option is to fold the program.
The legislature is not going to solve this problem. The entire University is about to see cuts like it has never seen before.
Maury Brown and the McMurrays are no longer around to solve the problem. They will be forever remembered and thanked.
So where does the money come from? My idea - shut off the 1wyo NIL nonsense. The best players in the world aren’t saving the team with an incompetent staff. We will need to see a real money drive not to pay players but to pay for a new staff to restore what Bohl spent a decade building.
