Punched in the mouth

[kansasCowboy]

Your bar's set kind of low, no?

8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.

Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.

And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Didn't Utah State just do this under Gary Andersen?

There are plenty of other examples too. I guess we need at least 20 years.

Umm, no. Not only did it take Anderson a few year to have one good season, but the coach before him really started the whole turnaround at USU with better recruiting. But they fired him for lack of wins and Anderson got it done three or four years later. Also USU going 11-2 in the Dismantled WAC last year is nothing to be proud of. That's the equiv of WYO going 8-5 a few years back. I'm still curious as to how they finish this year. Are they a one hit wonder. Have they really made it, as you say? I guess we'll see. Remember SJSU was 11-2 last year as well, and look how they're playing?

 

[J-Rod]

Do not judge USU's progress by 2013. They have a ridiculous amount of seniors on offense and defense. Judge them in 2014 when they all leave.....and even more in 2015 when Keeton leaves.

 

[HiCountryCowboy]

Your bar's set kind of low, no?

8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.

Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.

And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Didn't Utah State just do this under Gary Andersen?

There are plenty of other examples too. I guess we need at least 20 years.

Umm, no. Not only did it take Anderson a few year to have one good season, but the coach before him really started the whole turnaround at USU with better recruiting. But they fired him for lack of wins and Anderson got it done three or four years later. Also USU going 11-2 in the Dismantled WAC last year is nothing to be proud of. That's the equiv of WYO going 8-5 a few years back. I'm still curious as to how they finish this year. Are they a one hit wonder. Have they really made it, as you say? I guess we'll see. Remember SJSU was 11-2 last year as well, and look how they're playing?

SJSU finished ranked 21 in both polls, won their bowl game, and beat down byu last year - three things that we haven't done for a while and regardless of how they're playing this year, they accomplished all this in short order. Not the best example for your case as the best we've finished in this millennium is 8-5 with a blowout bowl loss to a MAC team.

I get what you're saying, but the faithful have waited long enough for some serious and perhaps sustained success. I thought we were there, but Saturday was bad - it was just one game, THIS YEAR. We have an absolute stud at quarterback and we're wasting the opportunity by expecting him to win every game by himself. I still hold out hope that the 'Boys still finish 10-2, but too many of us have witnessed what we saw last Saturday too many times and it gets tiresome - especially when other teams are turning the corner all around us.

See you in the War on the 12th...

 

[NowherePoke]

Your bar's set kind of low, no?

8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.

Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.

And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Didn't Utah State just do this under Gary Andersen?

There are plenty of other examples too. I guess we need at least 20 years.

Umm, no. Not only did it take Anderson a few year to have one good season, but the coach before him really started the whole turnaround at USU with better recruiting. But they fired him for lack of wins and Anderson got it done three or four years later. Also USU going 11-2 in the Dismantled WAC last year is nothing to be proud of. That's the equiv of WYO going 8-5 a few years back. I'm still curious as to how they finish this year. Are they a one hit wonder. Have they really made it, as you say? I guess we'll see. Remember SJSU was 11-2 last year as well, and look how they're playing?

1. SJSU - McIntyre took 3 years to get them from a 1 win team (Vic Koenning-esque) to an 11 win Top 25 team. They might have played a weak schedule, but they beat plenty of teams we wouldn't have (BYU, for example). They are falling down this year, but it's not under McIntyre.

2. USU - Anderson took over the same time as DC. By his 3rd year his team beat DC's team 63-19.

Unlike many other programs, USU and SJSU both had lower attendance and smaller budgets than UW. They were able to turn it around.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Do not judge USU's progress by 2013. They have a ridiculous amount of seniors on offense and defense. Judge them in 2014 when they all leave.....and even more in 2015 when Keeton leaves.

Well then we shouldn't judge our progress until Brett leaves either, that's scary.

and to chime in on the other convo:

Back in the days when Wyoming was competitive, the game was more hard nosed. Being athletic helped, but just simply being tough could make up for it. Recruiting tough guys to Laramie is easier than recruiting pure athletes (see wrestling). It's probably a decent argument to say that the WAC of the 80s probably wasn't as good as the MWC of the 2000s too.

Under the same system used in the 80s, Utah and Boise would've been national champions.

 

[JimmyDimes]

And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

That is the killer right there. Too many WYO fans are satisfied with 7 or 8 wins, and a bowl bid. It is like the mentality has shifted from just 15 years ago to this "be happy and satisfied to have a winning season" we have today.

That isn't me. It has been too long, I have spent way too much money, and I am getting too damn old.

Up until last Saturday, I thought we were turning the corner.

I think many fans are satisfied with progress. Even with the hiccup in Texas last week, many still see progress.

When I was in school, Wyoming was top dog in everything....football, basketball...even volleyball went to the elite 8. But when you have back to back bad coaching hires, the program suffers.

I expect Wyoming to be the top dog again....and will be happy if we are showing progress (not completely satisfied, but happy). And, one bad game (we won our 3 games by an average of over 30 and lost at Nebraska by 3) isn't going to make me think the sky is falling....especially when I see how the game transpired.

Peace,

 

[JimmyDimes]

Your bar's set kind of low, no?

8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.

Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.

And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Didn't Utah State just do this under Gary Andersen?

There are plenty of other examples too. I guess we need at least 20 years.

Umm, no. Not only did it take Anderson a few year to have one good season, but the coach before him really started the whole turnaround at USU with better recruiting. But they fired him for lack of wins and Anderson got it done three or four years later. Also USU going 11-2 in the Dismantled WAC last year is nothing to be proud of. That's the equiv of WYO going 8-5 a few years back. I'm still curious as to how they finish this year. Are they a one hit wonder. Have they really made it, as you say? I guess we'll see. Remember SJSU was 11-2 last year as well, and look how they're playing?

1. SJSU - McIntyre took 3 years to get them from a 1 win team (Vic Koenning-esque) to an 11 win Top 25 team. They might have played a weak schedule, but they beat plenty of teams we wouldn't have (BYU, for example). They are falling down this year, but it's not under McIntyre.

2. USU - Anderson took over the same time as DC. By his 3rd year his team beat DC's team 63-19.

Unlike many other programs, USU and SJSU both had lower attendance and smaller budgets than UW. They were able to turn it around.

The game of their lives.......USU lost at CSU that same year and we beat the rammied 44-0. USU did well in a depleted WAC with their best win being over a 7-6 team. DC has taken the Pokes to as many bowls and has as many wins. That one game means little.

 

[J-Rod]

Holy quoteathon. This going to be a long bye week.

 

[Wyokie]

Holy quoteathon. This going to be a long bye week.

LOL

As for me...I want CHAMPOIONSHIPS, not chicken shit!!!! It's embarrassing to tell people here Wyoming lost to Texas State on the same weekend Oklahoma beats Notre Dame AT Notre Dame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BJC]

Exactly :tickedoff:

Riding high after AF game......now...... :willybs: