PORTAL TRACKER: LET’S CHECK IN ON FORMER WYOMING FOOTBALL PLAYERS

[bullbugle307]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

What??? Hahaha

Josh didn't turn away from WYO to go play at Alabama or any other college / university. Just a little difference. :shock:

What’s the difference between if he went to BAMA or the Bulls? Either one was obvious step up for him from Wyoming. He wouldn’t been crazy to not do either vs staying with us.

I’ll tell you what the difference is. We all like the Bills so we’re ok it. That’s it.

Josh was loyal WYO since the day he visited campus. He was WYO or the NFL and nothing between. Huge difference. The lined jacket on draft day anyone?

He was “loyal to Wyoming” right up until he saw the best opportunity to better himself and his family financially, just like Neyor and others, which is 100 percent the right thing to do for both guys. No one here is questioning Allen. You guys can split hairs all you want to justify your inconsistency, but leaving for another school that’s paying their players or leaving for the pros to get paid is the same damn thing.

Hell, a guy could actually make more money in College now than the league minimum for NFLers. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t happening right now. Really blurs the lines of what “going pro” means nowadays.

 

[McPeachy]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

What??? Hahaha

Josh didn't turn away from WYO to go play at Alabama or any other college / university. Just a little difference. :shock:

What’s the difference between if he went to BAMA or the Bulls? Either one was obvious step up for him from Wyoming. He wouldn’t been crazy to not do either vs staying with us.

I’ll tell you what the difference is. We all like the Bills so we’re ok it. That’s it.

Josh was loyal WYO since the day he visited campus. He was WYO or the NFL and nothing between. Huge difference. The lined jacket on draft day anyone?

He was “loyal to Wyoming” right up until he saw the best opportunity to better himself and his family financially, just like Neyor and others, which is 100 percent the right thing to do for both guys. No one here is questioning Allen. You guys can split hairs all you want to justify your inconsistency, but leaving for another school that’s paying their players or leaving for the pros to get paid is the same damn thing.

Hell, a guy could actually make more money in College now than the league minimum for NFLers. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t happening right now. Really blurs the lines of what “going pro” means nowadays.

Sorry man, I don't see it that way. JA is still "loyal to Wyoming", and likely will be forever. Can't say the same for ANY of the athletes that transferred to another University, any year, any position, etc. (not just the 2022 exodus). As ridiculous as it is of me to write this...JA playing for the Bills is different than JA transferring to play for a NCAA FBS competitor.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

What??? Hahaha

Josh didn't turn away from WYO to go play at Alabama or any other college / university. Just a little difference. :shock:

What’s the difference between if he went to BAMA or the Bulls? Either one was obvious step up for him from Wyoming. He wouldn’t been crazy to not do either vs staying with us.

I’ll tell you what the difference is. We all like the Bills so we’re ok it. That’s it.

Josh was loyal WYO since the day he visited campus. He was WYO or the NFL and nothing between. Huge difference. The lined jacket on draft day anyone?

He was “loyal to Wyoming” right up until he saw the best opportunity to better himself and his family financially, just like Neyor and others, which is 100 percent the right thing to do for both guys. No one here is questioning Allen. You guys can split hairs all you want to justify your inconsistency, but leaving for another school that’s paying their players or leaving for the pros to get paid is the same damn thing.

Hell, a guy could actually make more money in College now than the league minimum for NFLers. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t happening right now. Really blurs the lines of what “going pro” means nowadays.

Sorry man, I don't see it that way. JA is still "loyal to Wyoming", and likely will be forever. Can't say the same for ANY of the athletes that transferred to another University, any year, any position, etc. (not just the 2022 exodus). As ridiculous as it is of me to write this...JA playing for the Bills is different than JA transferring to play for a NCAA FBS competitor.

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

 

[307bball]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

What??? Hahaha

Josh didn't turn away from WYO to go play at Alabama or any other college / university. Just a little difference. :shock:

What’s the difference between if he went to BAMA or the Bulls? Either one was obvious step up for him from Wyoming. He wouldn’t been crazy to not do either vs staying with us.

I’ll tell you what the difference is. We all like the Bills so we’re ok it. That’s it.

Josh was loyal WYO since the day he visited campus. He was WYO or the NFL and nothing between. Huge difference. The lined jacket on draft day anyone?

He was “loyal to Wyoming” right up until he saw the best opportunity to better himself and his family financially, just like Neyor and others, which is 100 percent the right thing to do for both guys. No one here is questioning Allen. You guys can split hairs all you want to justify your inconsistency, but leaving for another school that’s paying their players or leaving for the pros to get paid is the same damn thing.

Hell, a guy could actually make more money in College now than the league minimum for NFLers. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t happening right now. Really blurs the lines of what “going pro” means nowadays.

Sorry man, I don't see it that way. JA is still "loyal to Wyoming", and likely will be forever. Can't say the same for ANY of the athletes that transferred to another University, any year, any position, etc. (not just the 2022 exodus). As ridiculous as it is of me to write this...JA playing for the Bills is different than JA transferring to play for a NCAA FBS competitor.

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Agreed...I think we need to lose the "loyalty" term in this context. I see what you are seeing that JA is loved because of his "loyalty" but the next JA (or even the past JA, if the rules were different) would never stay, and it's just sour grapes to call out anybody's character over it.

What must it feel like to be a college football fan and hear the word transfer and not be like "here we go again"....?

 

[LanderPoke]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

What??? Hahaha

Josh didn't turn away from WYO to go play at Alabama or any other college / university. Just a little difference. :shock:

What’s the difference between if he went to BAMA or the Bulls? Either one was obvious step up for him from Wyoming. He wouldn’t been crazy to not do either vs staying with us.

I’ll tell you what the difference is. We all like the Bills so we’re ok it. That’s it.

Josh was loyal WYO since the day he visited campus. He was WYO or the NFL and nothing between. Huge difference. The lined jacket on draft day anyone?

He was “loyal to Wyoming” right up until he saw the best opportunity to better himself and his family financially, just like Neyor and others, which is 100 percent the right thing to do for both guys. No one here is questioning Allen. You guys can split hairs all you want to justify your inconsistency, but leaving for another school that’s paying their players or leaving for the pros to get paid is the same damn thing.

Hell, a guy could actually make more money in College now than the league minimum for NFLers. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t happening right now. Really blurs the lines of what “going pro” means nowadays.

Sorry man, I don't see it that way. JA is still "loyal to Wyoming", and likely will be forever. Can't say the same for ANY of the athletes that transferred to another University, any year, any position, etc. (not just the 2022 exodus). As ridiculous as it is of me to write this...JA playing for the Bills is different than JA transferring to play for a NCAA FBS competitor.

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

 

[PokesArePeopleToo]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

Your reply makes me think about that saying that 999 out of 1000 people out there have never come up with an original thought of their own and that those same people's perception of the world is as the result of what some person on TV tells them to think or believe. EXAMPLE: The myth of something known as "Covid"

 

[PokesArePeopleToo]

Is there any reason why OrediggerPoke's comments run 7 miles deep before you get to the end to find out what he has to say here? Not trying to be a wise guy, just a question because I don't notice it with anyone else?

 

[307bball]

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

Well ... It wasn't an option for Josh so the counterfactual will never be proved...that being said, Josh at the end of his junior year is a different animal than Josh after that sophomore season. A senior (or a highly draftable Junior) has a different mentality. In the past, before transfers were so seamless, you didn't really have the option to leave without penalty. I agree with Oredigger that if you had a time machine and could insert that option into the menu that Wyoming greats had available to them....most are taking that option. I think Josh would have went to a big time program after his sophomore season and there should be no pearl-clutching over that decision.

I'm not sure how I would have viewed this just two or three years ago....I have recently become acquainted with somebody who grew up in SEC country and was telling me what it's like to be a player at Auburn (first hand knowledge). Keep in mind, this will be applicable for Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, and other football blue blood programs. I was blown away by the amenities and what they offered...and this was before NIL!!! It's even crazier now. I really don't think people appreciate the difference in what is on offer for these guys.

 

[doreno5]

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

Well ... It wasn't an option for Josh so the counterfactual will never be proved...that being said, Josh at the end of his junior year is a different animal than Josh after that sophomore season. A senior (or a highly draftable Junior) has a different mentality. In the past, before transfers were so seamless, you didn't really have the option to leave without penalty. I agree with Oredigger that if you had a time machine and could insert that option into the menu that Wyoming greats had available to them....most are taking that option. I think Josh would have went to a big time program after his sophomore season and there should be no pearl-clutching over that decision.

I'm not sure how I would have viewed this just two or three years ago....I have recently become acquainted with somebody who grew up in SEC country and was telling me what it's like to be a player at Auburn (first hand knowledge). Keep in mind, this will be applicable for Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, and other football blue blood programs. I was blown away by the amenities and what they offered...and this was before NIL!!! It's even crazier now. I really don't think people appreciate the difference in what is on offer for these guys.

Just look at the bidding war that went on for Nayor. It was widely reported that he was signing with USC ,and Tennessee before he ultimately went to Texas. He was from Texas so his final choice may have been largely influenced by that, but I am also sure his NIL deal was pretty sweet.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

Well transfer wasn't an option at all for Josh at the time because he would have had to sit out a year so obviously we can't prove it one way or the other.

We would all love to believe in fairly tales but your take is very naive in my opinion. Sure Josh is a competitor (maybe the greatest of all time). However, the almost certain reason Josh didn't leave for the NFL after the sophomore year was because his draft grade didn't come in at where his financial future would be secured and he thought he could improve it by returning (which he did).

If Josh was such a 'Wyoming' guy through and through as you apparently believe, well why didn't he say screw the NFL and come back for his senior season? He didn't because it would have been insanity to turn down the sure thing.

Same thing with the portal and NIL. College football is a business and sophisticated players (like Josh is) are going to understand that.

Ask yourself...if you are making $20,000 at Wyoming in NIL are you really going to turn down $1 million dollars to go somewhere else for a year or two??? Get real. Hell, one of the most pro 'Wyoming' guys I have ever met recently left his work at the UW Foundation to go to UT-Austin to work for their foundation because the pay is much better.

 

[LanderPoke]

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

Well transfer wasn't an option at all for Josh at the time because he would have had to sit out a year so obviously we can't prove it one way or the other.

We would all love to believe in fairly tales but your take is very naive in my opinion. Sure Josh is a competitor (maybe the greatest of all time). However, the almost certain reason Josh didn't leave for the NFL after the sophomore year was because his draft grade didn't come in at where his financial future would be secured and he thought he could improve it by returning (which he did).

If Josh was such a 'Wyoming' guy through and through as you apparently believe, well why didn't he say screw the NFL and come back for his senior season? He didn't because it would have been insanity to turn down the sure thing.

Same thing with the portal and NIL. College football is a business and sophisticated players (like Josh is) are going to understand that.

Ask yourself...if you are making $20,000 at Wyoming in NIL are you really going to turn down $1 million dollars to go somewhere else for a year or two??? Get real. Hell, one of the most pro 'Wyoming' guys I have ever met recently left his work at the UW Foundation to go to UT-Austin to work for their foundation because the pay is much better.

Go back and read about the situation. The hypothetical is already answered. If NIL and the portal existed in 2017 Josh still would have stayed! Josh was a projected first or second round pick after the 2016 season, this is documented. He was set to realize his dream and make millions of dollars. Why in the h would he have started over at a different school to make much less money? Makes no sense. So you think he would have left Wyoming for a lesser offer than what he could have had going to the NFL? lol. He wanted to be at Wyoming for one more year, plain and simple. I don't know why this is so hard for you to accept. Josh specifically talks about loyalty and a sense of obligation to people that helped him out so much, specifically coach Bohl. Not everyone wantonly chases money.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

Well transfer wasn't an option at all for Josh at the time because he would have had to sit out a year so obviously we can't prove it one way or the other.

We would all love to believe in fairly tales but your take is very naive in my opinion. Sure Josh is a competitor (maybe the greatest of all time). However, the almost certain reason Josh didn't leave for the NFL after the sophomore year was because his draft grade didn't come in at where his financial future would be secured and he thought he could improve it by returning (which he did).

If Josh was such a 'Wyoming' guy through and through as you apparently believe, well why didn't he say screw the NFL and come back for his senior season? He didn't because it would have been insanity to turn down the sure thing.

Same thing with the portal and NIL. College football is a business and sophisticated players (like Josh is) are going to understand that.

Ask yourself...if you are making $20,000 at Wyoming in NIL are you really going to turn down $1 million dollars to go somewhere else for a year or two??? Get real. Hell, one of the most pro 'Wyoming' guys I have ever met recently left his work at the UW Foundation to go to UT-Austin to work for their foundation because the pay is much better.

Go back and read about the situation. The hypothetical is already answered. If NIL and the portal existed in 2017 Josh still would have stayed! Josh was a projected first or second round pick after the 2016 season, this is documented. He was set to realize his dream and make millions of dollars. Why in the h would he have started over at a different school to make much less money? Makes no sense. So you think he would have left Wyoming for a lesser offer than what he could have had going to the NFL? lol. He wanted to be at Wyoming for one more year, plain and simple. I don't know why this is so hard for you to accept. Josh specifically talks about loyalty and a sense of obligation to people that helped him out so much, specifically coach Bohl. Not everyone wantonly chases money.

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

 

[LanderPoke]

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

Yeah , I think that’s bs. You mentioned it yourself, he turned down millions and the NFL to come back to play specifically for Wyoming and these coaches, but you think he would have gone to another school. Yeah right. :eyroll: I think Josh would be offended reading that and I don’t think you understand what kind of person josh is

Well transfer wasn't an option at all for Josh at the time because he would have had to sit out a year so obviously we can't prove it one way or the other.

We would all love to believe in fairly tales but your take is very naive in my opinion. Sure Josh is a competitor (maybe the greatest of all time). However, the almost certain reason Josh didn't leave for the NFL after the sophomore year was because his draft grade didn't come in at where his financial future would be secured and he thought he could improve it by returning (which he did).

If Josh was such a 'Wyoming' guy through and through as you apparently believe, well why didn't he say screw the NFL and come back for his senior season? He didn't because it would have been insanity to turn down the sure thing.

Same thing with the portal and NIL. College football is a business and sophisticated players (like Josh is) are going to understand that.

Ask yourself...if you are making $20,000 at Wyoming in NIL are you really going to turn down $1 million dollars to go somewhere else for a year or two??? Get real. Hell, one of the most pro 'Wyoming' guys I have ever met recently left his work at the UW Foundation to go to UT-Austin to work for their foundation because the pay is much better.

Go back and read about the situation. The hypothetical is already answered. If NIL and the portal existed in 2017 Josh still would have stayed! Josh was a projected first or second round pick after the 2016 season, this is documented. He was set to realize his dream and make millions of dollars. Why in the h would he have started over at a different school to make much less money? Makes no sense. So you think he would have left Wyoming for a lesser offer than what he could have had going to the NFL? lol. He wanted to be at Wyoming for one more year, plain and simple. I don't know why this is so hard for you to accept. Josh specifically talks about loyalty and a sense of obligation to people that helped him out so much, specifically coach Bohl. Not everyone wantonly chases money.

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

No. What's your point? I still think it's small time and pathetic for UW fans to be closely following former athletes that don't want to be here. Who said anything about grudges

 

[307bball]

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

No. What's your point? I still think it's small time and pathetic for UW fans to be closely following former athletes that don't want to be here. Who said anything about grudges

I think the point is to illustrate that there is a difference between a job and being a member of a team. Nobody blinks when people take jobs at other companies when the money is right. Being a college athlete in 2022 is becoming more like a job. There are other "companies" (schools) out there that can offer different "salaries" (NIL deals), and that is fundamentally different then when JA was in his sophomore and junior season. Heck, there was a time when even professional athletes were expected to be loyal to the franchises ... Fans would feel slighted/betrayed when a player signed with another organization. Nowadays fans may be bummed but they are generally only annoyed with GM's and front offices if their favorite player goes elsewhere.

College sports has long been resistant to player movement and that is all changing. Player empowerment has arrived in the college athletic landscape. Fans are adjusting as well.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

No. What's your point? I still think it's small time and pathetic for UW fans to be closely following former athletes that don't want to be here. Who said anything about grudges

I think the point is to illustrate that there is a difference between a job and being a member of a team. Nobody blinks when people take jobs at other companies when the money is right. Being a college athlete in 2022 is becoming more like a job. There are other "companies" (schools) out there that can offer different "salaries" (NIL deals), and that is fundamentally different then when JA was in his sophomore and junior season. Heck, there was a time when even professional athletes were expected to be loyal to the franchises ... Fans would feel slighted/betrayed when a player signed with another organization. Nowadays fans may be bummed but they are generally only annoyed with GM's and front offices if their favorite player goes elsewhere.

College sports has long been resistant to player movement and that is all changing. Player empowerment has arrived in the college athletic landscape. Fans are adjusting as well.

Well said.

College athletes are more like employees every day. We can hate it all we want (and I hate it). But this is the reality.

The Broncos used to be my favorite NFL team (the Bills are now) and I never faulted players for going somewhere else based on financial considerations and even continued to follow the former Broncos players on their new teams (such as Emmanuel Sanders).

 

[McPeachy]

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

No. What's your point? I still think it's small time and pathetic for UW fans to be closely following former athletes that don't want to be here. Who said anything about grudges

I think the point is to illustrate that there is a difference between a job and being a member of a team. Nobody blinks when people take jobs at other companies when the money is right. Being a college athlete in 2022 is becoming more like a job. There are other "companies" (schools) out there that can offer different "salaries" (NIL deals), and that is fundamentally different then when JA was in his sophomore and junior season. Heck, there was a time when even professional athletes were expected to be loyal to the franchises ... Fans would feel slighted/betrayed when a player signed with another organization. Nowadays fans may be bummed but they are generally only annoyed with GM's and front offices if their favorite player goes elsewhere.

College sports has long been resistant to player movement and that is all changing. Player empowerment has arrived in the college athletic landscape. Fans are adjusting as well.

Well said.

College athletes are more like employees every day. We can hate it all we want (and I hate it). But this is the reality.

The Broncos used to be my favorite NFL team (the Bills are now) and I never faulted players for going somewhere else based on financial considerations and even continued to follow the former Broncos players on their new teams (such as Emmanuel Sanders).

Off topic, kind of, but as "paid" employees (now) - do they need, and will they be able to take, a lot more shit from the fanbase / booster group? After all, they are no longer amateur athletes in a pure sense, they are paid athletes. Do they now get held to a higher standard? Snowflake Wallflowers included? Oh man.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

No. What's your point? I still think it's small time and pathetic for UW fans to be closely following former athletes that don't want to be here. Who said anything about grudges

I think the point is to illustrate that there is a difference between a job and being a member of a team. Nobody blinks when people take jobs at other companies when the money is right. Being a college athlete in 2022 is becoming more like a job. There are other "companies" (schools) out there that can offer different "salaries" (NIL deals), and that is fundamentally different then when JA was in his sophomore and junior season. Heck, there was a time when even professional athletes were expected to be loyal to the franchises ... Fans would feel slighted/betrayed when a player signed with another organization. Nowadays fans may be bummed but they are generally only annoyed with GM's and front offices if their favorite player goes elsewhere.

College sports has long been resistant to player movement and that is all changing. Player empowerment has arrived in the college athletic landscape. Fans are adjusting as well.

Well said.

College athletes are more like employees every day. We can hate it all we want (and I hate it). But this is the reality.

The Broncos used to be my favorite NFL team (the Bills are now) and I never faulted players for going somewhere else based on financial considerations and even continued to follow the former Broncos players on their new teams (such as Emmanuel Sanders).

Off topic, kind of, but as "paid" employees (now) - do they need, and will they be able to take, a lot more Sh#t from the fanbase / booster group? After all, they are no longer amateur athletes in a pure sense, they are paid athletes. Do they now get held to a higher standard? Snowflake Wallflowers included? Oh man.

Yes - I think that’s fair. If you’re paid and don’t do a
job, then you should be able to take the criticism as well. The line might be that the players being paid as there are and will be large discrepancies amongst athletes.

 

[307bball]

Just curious, should we hold a grudge against the former UW Foundation employee and perhaps #1 Wyoming fan who recently left to take the job at UT-Austin with their foundation?

No. What's your point? I still think it's small time and pathetic for UW fans to be closely following former athletes that don't want to be here. Who said anything about grudges

I think the point is to illustrate that there is a difference between a job and being a member of a team. Nobody blinks when people take jobs at other companies when the money is right. Being a college athlete in 2022 is becoming more like a job. There are other "companies" (schools) out there that can offer different "salaries" (NIL deals), and that is fundamentally different then when JA was in his sophomore and junior season. Heck, there was a time when even professional athletes were expected to be loyal to the franchises ... Fans would feel slighted/betrayed when a player signed with another organization. Nowadays fans may be bummed but they are generally only annoyed with GM's and front offices if their favorite player goes elsewhere.

College sports has long been resistant to player movement and that is all changing. Player empowerment has arrived in the college athletic landscape. Fans are adjusting as well.

Well said.

College athletes are more like employees every day. We can hate it all we want (and I hate it). But this is the reality.

The Broncos used to be my favorite NFL team (the Bills are now) and I never faulted players for going somewhere else based on financial considerations and even continued to follow the former Broncos players on their new teams (such as Emmanuel Sanders).

Off topic, kind of, but as "paid" employees (now) - do they need, and will they be able to take, a lot more Sh#t from the fanbase / booster group? After all, they are no longer amateur athletes in a pure sense, they are paid athletes. Do they now get held to a higher standard? Snowflake Wallflowers included? Oh man.

Yes - I think that’s fair. If you’re paid and don’t do a
job, then you should be able to take the criticism as well. The line might be that the players being paid as there are and will be large discrepancies amongst athletes.

It is a can of worms for sure. The old label of "amateur" doesn't really fit anymore.

 

[Itsux2beaewe]

I’m sure none of you guys pay any attention to a guy named Josh Allen anymore right. Cause he ain’t in a Cowboy uniform no more right? That dirty bum done walked out and spurned us with a year of eligibility left, as Lander would put it. I mean hell, we give him a chance and he jumps ship at the first good opportunity? What about commitment?

Bunch of hypocrites around here whose supposed principles change like a swirling wind. Not intentionally, mind you, they usually just let someone else tell them what to think without ever actually thinking… Call ‘em out and they’ll say “I never said that.”

What??? Hahaha

Josh didn't turn away from WYO to go play at Alabama or any other college / university. Just a little difference. :shock:

What’s the difference between if he went to BAMA or the Bulls? Either one was obvious step up for him from Wyoming. He wouldn’t been crazy to not do either vs staying with us.

I’ll tell you what the difference is. We all like the Bills so we’re ok it. That’s it.

Josh was loyal WYO since the day he visited campus. He was WYO or the NFL and nothing between. Huge difference. The lined jacket on draft day anyone?

He was “loyal to Wyoming” right up until he saw the best opportunity to better himself and his family financially, just like Neyor and others, which is 100 percent the right thing to do for both guys. No one here is questioning Allen. You guys can split hairs all you want to justify your inconsistency, but leaving for another school that’s paying their players or leaving for the pros to get paid is the same damn thing.

Hell, a guy could actually make more money in College now than the league minimum for NFLers. Wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t happening right now. Really blurs the lines of what “going pro” means nowadays.

Sorry man, I don't see it that way. JA is still "loyal to Wyoming", and likely will be forever. Can't say the same for ANY of the athletes that transferred to another University, any year, any position, etc. (not just the 2022 exodus). As ridiculous as it is of me to write this...JA playing for the Bills is different than JA transferring to play for a NCAA FBS competitor.

As much of a class act that Josh Allen is, he would not have stayed at Wyoming in the 2017 under the current NIL rules. He would have had $1 million dollar offers to go to teams loaded with talent and would have been a fool to turn them down. He did turn down the NFL draft but his prospects were probably looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round given his lack of overall FBS playing time. He made the right call there because being drafted 7th locked in his financial future.

If any player comes to me and says...hey what you think, I have this offer to get a million bucks to go to another school or should I stay here at Wyoming. I will say, my heart would love you to stay at Wyoming but you would be a fool to not take the money.

We will never know. I do k ow Josh played his SR year in the spud bowl and had nothing to prove. He did it because he loved UW and The Pokes.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

We will never know. I do k ow Josh played his SR year in the spud bowl and had nothing to prove. He did it because he loved UW and The Pokes.

Junior year in terms of football eligibility.