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P12 - MWC

ragtimejoe1 said:
This is what's key because the media partners now are likely a preview of what's coming.

If wsu and osu didn't command a large price tag now, then adding mwc teams to them won't all of a sudden make all the teams worth more. If the mwc teams were worth a lot, the mwc's current contract would be bigger. I think this is a sign that the pac media deal isn't going to be where they want from a financial perspective.

Not releasing the financials tells you all you need to know about the financials. They sold out cheap and pivoted to the exposure narrative.
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From what I read, they are spinning it as better things to come. This is the starting point and an agreement is in place for when the MWC teams officially jump ship. It may be enough to keep the PAC-2 agreement with those teams intact. We will have to wait and see.
 
OSU and WSU were dumped as useful to the big money big conference invites. The rest of the P12 walked away from over $100 million dollars making the pee2 thinking they were kings with ownership of a dead logo. It’s hard to find anything about what those 2 were paid for the 2024 season which was primarily the CW.

The traitors managed to help the MWC to just under $4 million per year in the media contract about ready to expire.

I will give a bit on the CW potentially upping the ante in trying to break in, but the product is in a less populated geographical area and while amongst the best of the G league, it is unlikely to command AAC rates due to the TV outreach impact. Examples are USU will not wrestle away viewers in the SLC market, CSU will not do the same against CU and Neon Deon. SDSU and FSU will be more localized in California but won’t be competitive against USC and UCLA. BSU may be the only selling point, but the P4 conferences weren’t interested so that speaks for itself.


The chasm between the have and have nots is huge. Another thing - WSU has big financial problems. If I were in charge of determining return on investment, I wouldn’t look at WSU as being the best future prospect.

Could be wrong, but the evidence suggests otherwise that the $$$ will be big. The other thing is the pee2 has had to reveal their expansion plans to support the future media values and without the best of the AAC the only remaining options with some national interest are UNLV and AFA.

How solid is UNLV in the MWC? I can only point to the MWC relocating to Las Vegas. I don’t think moves like that are made if there was a likely future with no conference members in the state of Nevada.

Just my speculation. I also speculated from the day Bohl advertised the national QB search that he wasn’t serious immediately inking Svoboda who was nothing more than a practice QB at Snow. The hype can get big but the results are reality.
 
Decided to do some looking into as many details on the pea12 2025 tv deal I could find:

P12 tv schedule review:

OSU:
7 home games
2 on ESPN both starts at 10:30 pm Eastern where the p2 pays for production and ESPN pays for the broadcasters
1 on CBS first game versus Washington State
4 on CW

WSU:
6 home games
1 on CBS first game versus Washington
5 on CW

3 of the 4 games not on the CW are against P4 foes who already have TV deals with the teams playing so some kind of licensing deal was made.

The P12 enterprises produces all CW broadcasts.

This deal has nothing to do with 2026 which is part of why they won’t disclose the terms. It was basically a status quo move continuing the 2024 deal except there is no MWC schedule agreement. It is a good deal in the aspect that there is the visibility factor. The best I can conclude is they might be around $4 million tops because I found some WSU budget accounting listing that figure under media. I just don’t know what sources comprise the media budget line.

The big issue has to be litigation along with the house settlement. The more the MWC gets in the settlement the more TV money the pea12 will need to offset their costs. The MWC needs to move on and get the traitors off the voting member board so the remaining conference members can conduct business without interference/sabatoge.

A side note is the mediation stay was reportedly granted for 60 days. Originally the trial was set for March 25 so that would make the 60 days up May 24. From what I can determine nothing has happened with mediation yet.

Look for more information in the next 3 weeks on if movement towards a settlement is possible or if there needs to be an extension to the mediation process.

Here’s the other kicker - none of the traitors have paid their $5,000 to the MWC with a formal exit resignation. There are also no MOU’s or GOR’s locking the traitors into the pea12. What media entity wants to make a major commitment to a legal uncertainty?

Dates to watch:

May 24 - mediation period ends unless extended
July 1 - less than 1 year formal exit notice fees double
 
PorkerPoke said:
Decided to do some looking into as many details on the pea12 2025 tv deal I could find:

P12 tv schedule review:

OSU:
7 home games
2 on ESPN both starts at 10:30 pm Eastern where the p2 pays for production and ESPN pays for the broadcasters
1 on CBS first game versus Washington State
4 on CW

WSU:
6 home games
1 on CBS first game versus Washington
5 on CW

3 of the 4 games not on the CW are against P4 foes who already have TV deals with the teams playing so some kind of licensing deal was made.

The P12 enterprises produces all CW broadcasts.

This deal has nothing to do with 2026 which is part of why they won’t disclose the terms. It was basically a status quo move continuing the 2024 deal except there is no MWC schedule agreement. It is a good deal in the aspect that there is the visibility factor. The best I can conclude is they might be around $4 million tops because I found some WSU budget accounting listing that figure under media. I just don’t know what sources comprise the media budget line.

The big issue has to be litigation along with the house settlement. The more the MWC gets in the settlement the more TV money the pea12 will need to offset their costs. The MWC needs to move on and get the traitors off the voting member board so the remaining conference members can conduct business without interference/sabatoge.

A side note is the mediation stay was reportedly granted for 60 days. Originally the trial was set for March 25 so that would make the 60 days up May 24. From what I can determine nothing has happened with mediation yet.

Look for more information in the next 3 weeks on if movement towards a settlement is possible or if there needs to be an extension to the mediation process.

Here’s the other kicker - none of the traitors have paid their $5,000 to the MWC with a formal exit resignation. There are also no MOU’s or GOR’s locking the traitors into the pea12. What media entity wants to make a major commitment to a legal uncertainty?

Dates to watch:

May 24 - mediation period ends unless extended
July 1 - less than 1 year formal exit notice fees double
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Appreciate the update, Porker!
 
I'm paraphrasing here but pretty sure I'm accurately reflecting the gist of an interview with wsu ad.

"the money (from tv contract) is going to the conference. To a vault. I won't and can't comment any further on the financials".

Again, a paraphrase but not far off. My question, has there ever been a precedence where a tv contract, conference payout, and subsequent team payout been confidential? Ever? I'm not sure in 40+ years of following college football that I've ever seen a contract "non disclosed" because it's paid to the conference.

Why?
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
I'm paraphrasing here but pretty sure I'm accurately reflecting the gist of an interview with wsu ad.

"the money (from tv contract) is going to the conference. To a vault. I won't and can't comment any further on the financials".

Again, a paraphrase but not far off. My question, has there ever been a precedence where a tv contract, conference payout, and subsequent team payout been confidential? Ever? I'm not sure in 40+ years of following college football that I've ever seen a contract "non disclosed" because it's paid to the conference.

Why?
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Saw that deflection on the value. After local media boasts of $12 million per team and the SDSU AD hosting a booster party a couple of months ago bragging everything would be complete by April (additional team/teams and the media deal) I will take it as playing it very careful as there are some big issues to be resolved with the lawsuits and expansion. WSU does have financial issues as well so $$ is a sensitive subject.

The tools Canzano and Wilner made a statement of interest saying that the withholding of the financials are tied to the lawsuits where the pea12 is pleading affordability due to the contract being excessive. If that’s the case, they will have to disclose before the mediation can be completed. They also mentioned that they think the expansion will probably be only one team because they don’t want to “dilute” the brand they proclaim is the best G conference because there aren’t any solid options available. Was that an admission they only see Texas State or a program like Sacramento State? Sac state is 2 years off in a bigger TV market whereas the money has to be tops and shared generously if Texas State is to be lured.

Decided to see what the thought is in Fart Colons. I looked at the Ram board and found a thread on the subject. It was a mixed bag of they will get $12 million per team and skepticism where the lawsuits can be devastating unless settled cheaply. Saw that the lack of at least 9 FB members makes the awkward 7 team schedule and it is rumored teams will play a designated “rival” twice as the 8th conference game.

It’s all conjecture at this point but I don’t see how playing a team in conference twice arouses the TV providers to the tune of $1 million per game.

Bottom line - the pea12 may get more TV money than the MWC but will it be worth more than triple per team than the current $4 million MWC contract? My bet is the deals won’t be that far off in value.
 
PorkerPoke said:
Saw that deflection on the value. After local media boasts of $12 million per team and the SDSU AD hosting a booster party a couple of months ago bragging everything would be complete by April (additional team/teams and the media deal) I will take it as playing it very careful as there are some big issues to be resolved with the lawsuits and expansion. WSU does have financial issues as well so $$ is a sensitive subject.

The tools Canzano and Wilner made a statement of interest saying that the withholding of the financials are tied to the lawsuits where the pea12 is pleading affordability due to the contract being excessive. If that’s the case, they will have to disclose before the mediation can be completed. They also mentioned that they think the expansion will probably be only one team because they don’t want to “dilute” the brand they proclaim is the best G conference because there aren’t any solid options available. Was that an admission they only see Texas State or a program like Sacramento State? Sac state is 2 years off in a bigger TV market whereas the money has to be tops and shared generously if Texas State is to be lured.

Decided to see what the thought is in Fart Colons. I looked at the Ram board and found a thread on the subject. It was a mixed bag of they will get $12 million per team and skepticism where the lawsuits can be devastating unless settled cheaply. Saw that the lack of at least 9 FB members makes the awkward 7 team schedule and it is rumored teams will play a designated “rival” twice as the 8th conference game.

It’s all conjecture at this point but I don’t see how playing a team in conference twice arouses the TV providers to the tune of $1 million per game.

Bottom line - the pea12 may get more TV money than the MWC but will it be worth more than triple per team than the current $4 million MWC contract? My bet is the deals won’t be that far off in value.
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I'm also betting their valuation is quite a ways below 12 mill.

The wildcard here is what the market projections are if the p4, in some form, officially splits. Does the g5 lose a lot of market value in that scenario? Also, if g5 is struggling with revenue share and NIL will that deprive enough talent that the product then suffers which decreases valuation?

So many variables it's mind boggling.
 
PorkerPoke said:
Decided to see what the thought is in Fart Colons. I looked at the Ram board and found a thread on the subject. It was a mixed bag of they will get $12 million per team and skepticism where the lawsuits can be devastating unless settled cheaply. Saw that the lack of at least 9 FB members makes the awkward 7 team schedule and it is rumored teams will play a designated “rival” twice as the 8th conference game.

It’s all conjecture at this point but I don’t see how playing a team in conference twice arouses the TV providers to the tune of $1 million per game.

Bottom line - the pea12 may get more TV money than the MWC but will it be worth more than triple per team than the current $4 million MWC contract? My bet is the deals won’t be that far off in value.
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I poked around there as well.

They are either stupid, delusional or high. Likely all three.

Comments suggesting Utah Stanford and Cal, might decide to join.

Geez they are an insufferable group.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
I'm also betting their valuation is quite a ways below 12 mill.

The wildcard here is what the market projections are if the p4, in some form, officially splits. Does the g5 lose a lot of market value in that scenario? Also, if g5 is struggling with revenue share and NIL will that deprive enough talent that the product then suffers which decreases valuation?

So many variables it's mind boggling.
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And, based on what I'm reading, the SEC and BIG are about to throw another bomb that will infuse this whole scenario with more uncertainty and further devalue non-SEC/BIG team value. I'd be very nervous if I didn't have a definitive deal right about now. I'm nervous and the MW has one...
 
Itsux2beaewe said:
I poked around there as well.

They are either stupid, delusional or high. Likely all three.

Comments suggesting Utah Stanford and Cal, might decide to join.

Geez they are an insufferable group.
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"Comments suggesting the Utah, Stanford and Cal might come back."
The very definition of stupid, delusional and high.
 
FYI - the Vegas news is claiming the mediation status as “sources close to the process, a date is expected to be set before the end of May, though no formal schedule has been made.” and “Mediation does not mean there will be a quick resolution. The ruling will not be binding, so only a mutually agreeable decision would move the needle toward a settlement. That seems a long shot with the amount of animosity that has been festering and the massive amounts of money involved.”

The money will potentially have a huge impact on both parties winner-loser style. The pea12 is adamant they don’t want to be perceived as weaker. This could be interesting.
 
How long do the MWC defectors get to straddle the fence? Seems like there should be hard deadlines, no matter how long arbitration goes. Their veto power should have been stripped the moment they declared their intention to change conferences.
 
Bear Claw said:
How long do the MWC defectors get to straddle the fence? Seems like there should be hard deadlines, no matter how long arbitration goes. Their veto power should have been stripped the moment they declared their intention to change conferences.
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They need to announce by June 1 or their exit fees go up.
 
evilpoke said:
They need to announce by June 1 or their exit fees go up.
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They have to pay $5,000 exit fees with an official exit letter on or before June 1, 2025 in order to be considered “resigned effective June 30, 2026”. If they are not compliant with that their total exit fee doubles because their notice would be considered less than 1 year.

So in a little over 3 weeks another legal aspect kicks in for the traitors. This part is separate from the poaching lawsuit in California whereas this part is the traitors lawsuit in Colorado trying to get out of paying exit fees by claiming damages against the conference which forced them out or something like that.

The traitors claim paying triple the average distribution is exorbitant even though the clause has been in place since April 2021 and they all voted for it. It is the same clause from 2011 that would have cost sdsu going to the big east. That clause has been revised to be more expensive 3 times since 2011 and now the traitors don’t want it applied to them after helping to establish it claiming it was invalid in Colorado where the conference office was located when the bylaws were written. They are going for a legal stretch.
 
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Supposedly the MWC and pee12 have agreed to May 19 as the settlement date and requested an additional 60 day stay on May 7 to the original stay that expires May 16.

Don’t expect May 19 as the actual final settlement. It is probably the first date with the mediator. If it goes well the discussions would likely continue (unless the pea12 concedes and agrees to a magic number the MWC has determined acceptable) but if not it may end up in the court. If the pee12 is adamant about lowballing in an attempt to destroy the MWC grant of rights deal to poach UNLV then look for it to get ugly fast. I don’t have any feeling that OSU/WSU and the commissioner Theresa Ghoul will be overly amenable. Hope I’m wrong and the traitors are pushing for getting some deal to move on quickly.

I hope the traitors are crapping their pants as June 1 is the formal exit notice deadline before fees double. Go for maximum fee collection MWC. The greed of $$ and a condescending attitude is driving the pee12.
 
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