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Our national perception

theman

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I hate to think whats coming for the University of Wyoming in the next few years. We are a program that no conference wants, including the mwc. We are the reason why the MWC is looked at so poorly. We are holding the MWC back. We are not helping the MWC. This whole realignment stuff actually keeps me up at night. I have extremely nasty thoughts towards the BCS, the Pac 10 for conspiring to ruin the MWC (which succeeded), The Big East for doing the same(which succeeded), even the WAC (which didn't work). The MWC was on its way to becoming a very powerful Conference that could not be denied becoming a BCS auto Qualifier. It was imminent. They could not deny us for much longer. This was gonna go thru the legal system had they denied us. THEN.. Utah takes the easy way out.. I will forever hate Utah. I blame Utah for allowing this whole mess to begin. The MWC was becoming too powerful and the BCS did not want to share the money with another conference. We were threatening the Pac 10, going 6-1 vs. them just a couple years ago. So they take Utah from us. Utah does not have any football tradition prior to Urban Meyer. But listening to the "experts" on tv, I keep hearing them say how great Utah has been forever. This drives me insane. In the 100+ years of Utah football before Urban Meyer, the Utah utes won 10 games exactly....wait for it..... 1 freaking time! Then Urban Meyer chooses Utah over Wyoming and the rest is history. What if Urban had chosen Wyoming? Boise state is really just a glorified Junior College with a track around the football field that happens to have an excellent football coach. Well we are finding out that Football is all that matters. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
Kansas Jayhawks basketball is a top 3 or 4 Program in history. NOBODY CARES. The Big 12 would rather invite Boise St. and get rid of Kansas! Absurd! Football goes in cycles; And NOW IS THE TIME TO BE GOOD IN FOOTBALL! Unfortunately We suck! Wyoming has football tradition... Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Multiple Undefeated teams etc.... BYU? Well the best bowl game they have been to is... wait for it... The cotton bowl. They have NEVER been to a major bowl game. THE WYOMING COWBOYS CRUSHED BYU IN FOOTBALL 20 YEARS IN A ROW IN THE MODERN FOOTBALL ERA. ok one game ended in a tie. No one remembers this. All that really matters is how well you have played in past decade. So Utah leaves, and BYU becomes enraged and goes Independent. Then TCU says screw this and heads for the BIG LEAST? REALLY? A basketball conference? Boise is now thinking WTF did we get into? I am now constantly seeing boise fans say, lets drop Wyoming, CSU, NM... This pisses me off. Boise sucks in every sport but football, but can you blame them? How well you do in Football is all anybody cares about anymore. Our national perception is horrible. People laugh at the MWC because of us. I believe that when DC decided to completely roll over last year at TCU.. TCU had to be thinking.... we can't be in a league like this. We did not even try to compete. I will never forgive Christensen for last years team for #1... losing to New Mexico?? #2 Getting our ass kicked by UNLV? #3 Completely rolling over and not competing at TCU? and #4 Losing to BYU who was horrendous last year. I guaranfuckingtee you that Joe Glenn would not have lost to BYU, NM, or UNLV last year. This was our last chance to play BYU. There's no fvckin way we can lose that game. And our sorry ass did. Same goes for Utah. Last chance to play them and we let them spank us in Laramie? This schit is unforgivable. They ruin the MWC then kick our ass on the field as they leave? I bet TCU bitchslaps us this year on their way out. Christensen doesn't have enuf pride in the State of Wyoming to run this program in my opinion. We don't need a coach that goes back to Missouri saying shit like " That's the best we are ever going to get up there". He has ruined our rock solid defense in 2 short years, and the offense is no better. I miss Joe Glenn, he got alot out of his recruits and is a great coach. Unfortunately his recruits were better suited for the big sky conference, although he put together an unbelievable defense, especially given the fact the offense was incompetent. So without Congress getting involved it appears Wyoming may be left in the cold along with the other schools that suck in football and don't have a market to speak of. If it goes to 4 superconferences, we will be left out. The other conferences may not even stay D1, probably go to "D1AA". If the Wyoming football players and coaches only knew how much this season means. Can we not put together one magical season?
 
theman said:
I hate to think whats coming for the University of Wyoming in the next few years. We are a program that no conference wants, including the mwc. We are the reason why the MWC is looked at so poorly. We are holding the MWC back. We are not helping the MWC. This whole realignment stuff actually keeps me up at night. I have extremely nasty thoughts towards the BCS, the Pac 10 for conspiring to ruin the MWC (which succeeded), The Big East for doing the same(which succeeded), even the WAC (which didn't work). The MWC was on its way to becoming a very powerful Conference that could not be denied becoming a BCS auto Qualifier. It was imminent. They could not deny us for much longer. This was gonna go thru the legal system had they denied us. THEN.. Utah takes the easy way out.. I will forever hate Utah. I blame Utah for allowing this whole mess to begin. The MWC was becoming too powerful and the BCS did not want to share the money with another conference. We were threatening the Pac 10, going 6-1 vs. them just a couple years ago. So they take Utah from us. Utah does not have any football tradition prior to Urban Meyer. But listening to the "experts" on tv, I keep hearing them say how great Utah has been forever. This drives me insane. In the 100+ years of Utah football before Urban Meyer, the Utah utes won 10 games exactly....wait for it..... 1 freaking time! Then Urban Meyer chooses Utah over Wyoming and the rest is history. What if Urban had chosen Wyoming? Boise state is really just a glorified Junior College with a track around the football field that happens to have an excellent football coach. Well we are finding out that Football is all that matters. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
Kansas Jayhawks basketball is a top 3 or 4 Program in history. NOBODY CARES. The Big 12 would rather invite Boise St. and get rid of Kansas! Absurd! Football goes in cycles; And NOW IS THE TIME TO BE GOOD IN FOOTBALL! Unfortunately We suck! Wyoming has football tradition... Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Multiple Undefeated teams etc.... BYU? Well the best bowl game they have been to is... wait for it... The cotton bowl. They have NEVER been to a major bowl game. THE WYOMING COWBOYS CRUSHED BYU IN FOOTBALL 20 YEARS IN A ROW IN THE MODERN FOOTBALL ERA. ok one game ended in a tie. No one remembers this. All that really matters is how well you have played in past decade. So Utah leaves, and BYU becomes enraged and goes Independent. Then TCU says screw this and heads for the BIG LEAST? REALLY? A basketball conference? Boise is now thinking WTF did we get into? I am now constantly seeing boise fans say, lets drop Wyoming, CSU, NM... This pisses me off. Boise sucks in every sport but football, but can you blame them? How well you do in Football is all anybody cares about anymore. Our national perception is horrible. People laugh at the MWC because of us. I believe that when DC decided to completely roll over last year at TCU.. TCU had to be thinking.... we can't be in a league like this. We did not even try to compete. I will never forgive Christensen for last years team for #1... losing to New Mexico?? #2 Getting our ass kicked by UNLV? #3 Completely rolling over and not competing at TCU? and #4 Losing to BYU who was horrendous last year. I guaranfuckingtee you that Joe Glenn would not have lost to BYU, NM, or UNLV last year. This was our last chance to play BYU. There's no fvckin way we can lose that game. And our sorry ass did. Same goes for Utah. Last chance to play them and we let them spank us in Laramie? This schit is unforgivable. They ruin the MWC then kick our ass on the field as they leave? I bet TCU bitchslaps us this year on their way out. Christensen doesn't have enuf pride in the State of Wyoming to run this program in my opinion. We don't need a coach that goes back to Missouri saying s##t like " That's the best we are ever going to get up there". He has ruined our rock solid defense in 2 short years, and the offense is no better. I miss Joe Glenn, he got alot out of his recruits and is a great coach. Unfortunately his recruits were better suited for the big sky conference, although he put together an unbelievable defense, especially given the fact the offense was incompetent. So without Congress getting involved it appears Wyoming may be left in the cold along with the other schools that suck in football and don't have a market to speak of. If it goes to 4 superconferences, we will be left out. The other conferences may not even stay D1, probably go to "D1AA". If the Wyoming football players and coaches only knew how much this season means. Can we not put together one magical season?


Jesus, dude, have a drink.
 
Wyoirish said:
theman said:
I hate to think whats coming for the University of Wyoming in the next few years. We are a program that no conference wants, including the mwc. We are the reason why the MWC is looked at so poorly. We are holding the MWC back. We are not helping the MWC. This whole realignment stuff actually keeps me up at night. I have extremely nasty thoughts towards the BCS, the Pac 10 for conspiring to ruin the MWC (which succeeded), The Big East for doing the same(which succeeded), even the WAC (which didn't work). The MWC was on its way to becoming a very powerful Conference that could not be denied becoming a BCS auto Qualifier. It was imminent. They could not deny us for much longer. This was gonna go thru the legal system had they denied us. THEN.. Utah takes the easy way out.. I will forever hate Utah. I blame Utah for allowing this whole mess to begin. The MWC was becoming too powerful and the BCS did not want to share the money with another conference. We were threatening the Pac 10, going 6-1 vs. them just a couple years ago. So they take Utah from us. Utah does not have any football tradition prior to Urban Meyer. But listening to the "experts" on tv, I keep hearing them say how great Utah has been forever. This drives me insane. In the 100+ years of Utah football before Urban Meyer, the Utah utes won 10 games exactly....wait for it..... 1 freaking time! Then Urban Meyer chooses Utah over Wyoming and the rest is history. What if Urban had chosen Wyoming? Boise state is really just a glorified Junior College with a track around the football field that happens to have an excellent football coach. Well we are finding out that Football is all that matters. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
Kansas Jayhawks basketball is a top 3 or 4 Program in history. NOBODY CARES. The Big 12 would rather invite Boise St. and get rid of Kansas! Absurd! Football goes in cycles; And NOW IS THE TIME TO BE GOOD IN FOOTBALL! Unfortunately We suck! Wyoming has football tradition... Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Multiple Undefeated teams etc.... BYU? Well the best bowl game they have been to is... wait for it... The cotton bowl. They have NEVER been to a major bowl game. THE WYOMING COWBOYS CRUSHED BYU IN FOOTBALL 20 YEARS IN A ROW IN THE MODERN FOOTBALL ERA. ok one game ended in a tie. No one remembers this. All that really matters is how well you have played in past decade. So Utah leaves, and BYU becomes enraged and goes Independent. Then TCU says screw this and heads for the BIG LEAST? REALLY? A basketball conference? Boise is now thinking WTF did we get into? I am now constantly seeing boise fans say, lets drop Wyoming, CSU, NM... This pisses me off. Boise sucks in every sport but football, but can you blame them? How well you do in Football is all anybody cares about anymore. Our national perception is horrible. People laugh at the MWC because of us. I believe that when DC decided to completely roll over last year at TCU.. TCU had to be thinking.... we can't be in a league like this. We did not even try to compete. I will never forgive Christensen for last years team for #1... losing to New Mexico?? #2 Getting our ass kicked by UNLV? #3 Completely rolling over and not competing at TCU? and #4 Losing to BYU who was horrendous last year. I guaranfuckingtee you that Joe Glenn would not have lost to BYU, NM, or UNLV last year. This was our last chance to play BYU. There's no fvckin way we can lose that game. And our sorry ass did. Same goes for Utah. Last chance to play them and we let them spank us in Laramie? This schit is unforgivable. They ruin the MWC then kick our ass on the field as they leave? I bet TCU bitchslaps us this year on their way out. Christensen doesn't have enuf pride in the State of Wyoming to run this program in my opinion. We don't need a coach that goes back to Missouri saying s##t like " That's the best we are ever going to get up there". He has ruined our rock solid defense in 2 short years, and the offense is no better. I miss Joe Glenn, he got alot out of his recruits and is a great coach. Unfortunately his recruits were better suited for the big sky conference, although he put together an unbelievable defense, especially given the fact the offense was incompetent. So without Congress getting involved it appears Wyoming may be left in the cold along with the other schools that suck in football and don't have a market to speak of. If it goes to 4 superconferences, we will be left out. The other conferences may not even stay D1, probably go to "D1AA". If the Wyoming football players and coaches only knew how much this season means. Can we not put together one magical season?


Jesus, dude, have a drink.
that could be what got him started in the first place
 
He actually makes a lot of good points and I can't deny many of those same thoughts are on my mind. Wyoming picked a TERRIBLE time to be bad in football.
 
I agree with most of the points but DC didn't turn the ball over 4 times inside the red zone last year against NM so I don't think that loss should be put on him.
 
thirtyseven said:
I agree with most of the points but DC didn't turn the ball over 4 times inside the red zone last year against NM so I don't think that loss should be put on him.
We were also a could-have-been pass interference penalty from beating BYU last year too. I guess a person can blame DC with the no call if they really wanted too.
 
JimmyDimes said:
thirtyseven said:
I agree with most of the points but DC didn't turn the ball over 4 times inside the red zone last year against NM so I don't think that loss should be put on him.
We were also a could-have-been pass interference penalty from beating BYU last year too. I guess a person can blame DC with the no call if they really wanted too.
and a delay of game no-call from pressuring AFA into a FG instead of a TD....
 
I completely agree with theman on this in terms of the danger that Wyoming is facing. I am afraid we are in trouble as well...but the good news is there is still a window for us to become dominant in football again. We have time, but it has to happen in the next year or two imo. Remember how bad SDSU was before last year. Now, everyone is screaming BCS buster! The year after we beat UCLA, we were preseason ranked 18th. We are primed to do well with a VERY young team right now. AFA, SDSU, Csewe, UNLV, NM are all games we can win. I also think we can beat TCU as I don't believe they are going to even be close to what they have been. They have a great coach, but I think they are overrated and it will show against Baylor. They will struggle. So, if we can win all these games (yes, I know...a big if) and put together a close game with Boise, the respect for cowboy football will be back. Gregg Brandon is a HUGE improvement for us. I know it is difficult to see right now with the aweful offenses we have put on the field, but you will all understand just how bad Marcus Arroyo was when you see our offense this year.
Can you tell I am a half glass full type of guy? Regardless, there is reason to have hope.

Finally, Mr. Burman is going to have to step up and take some drastic steps to keep us relevant. We need to get more state funding and pump a ton of money into the athletics department. We need to find a T. Boone Pickens for UW.

All in all I do believe that Coach Christensen is the right guy for the job. Although, if things don't turn around in the next 2 seasons that opinion might change.
 
Dutchnation said:
All in all I do believe that Coach Christensen is the right guy for the job. Although, if things don't turn around in the next 2 seasons that opinion might change.

I think all fans feel this way. We need to give the guy at least 4 years. After two, I think we are headed in the right direction, but we need results.
 
You seriously stay up at night worrying about this? You need to get a life. Whatever happens happens. It, in my opinion, has little to do with how good we are. It has to do with the small fan base which equals not very much money to be made off of ole Wyoming. TV money drives all of this and there arent enough people on either coast and/or in the south that want to watch Wyoming.
 
Found out yesterday that China plans to take over the entire world. They'll start with Laramie and go from there. Tough break guys. We all knew this was coming.
 
J-Rod said:
Found out yesterday that China plans to take over the entire world. They'll start with Laramie and go from there. Tough break guys. We all knew this was coming.
I knew with the recent influx of Chinese that they were plotting something! They increased their population by 100%! All 20 of them!
 
As I recall, theman, Joe Glenn was in a downward spiral at Wyoming and DC inherited what was left over from Glenn, which was? No QB's, No RB's, No WR's, Hardly any OL. Why do you think we played a crap load of freshman his first year here?
Glenn's last two season's show why we struggle now. 5-7 no passing game, ran our offense under our only strength, Moore and Seldon. D played pretty crappy as well.
Glenn's last year 4-8. No passing at all. played 4 Qb's in one freaking game. Only offense was again Moore and Seldon. D played worse.
Why we are where we are today. Glenn's recruiting went stalemate three years before we got rid of him. His supposed best recruits were Sween, Bolling and Terry. none of them amounted to much.
We overachieved in DC's first year. thankfully we got to and won a bowl, but remember we were predicted last for a reason. The ball bounced the right way for us a lot in that year.
Last year was more like people predicted it would be. We were still very young, still playing incoming freshman and we did not overachieve. Plus, it was our toughest schedule to date.
This year, we are young in less area's, but still young in important area's QB, WR, OL. But do i believe we have a helluva lot more talent in those area's than we did when DC first arrived? Yes!
Joe Glenn played this place like Dana Dimel did, just without the success that Dimel had. Once Dimel was ready to leave he took his emphasis off recruiting. Same as Good ol Joe.
So, can you actually blame DC for lack of wins, when he's playing with one of the youngest teams in the nation? I'd say he's done damn well!
Remember Koenning came in to coach a team with hardly any good players, thanks to Dimel. Koenning recruited and recruited the best he could. He struggled for three years to get 5 wins. Whose fault? Dimel's. Glenn came in and began winning with Koenning's recruits. Honestly, if we would have stuck with Vic for two more years I think we would've been winning again. Probably had a btter record in the span that Glenn was here too.
So DC steps in from a mess made by the previous coach in Glenn. Glenn's emphasis was not on recruiting the last two years he was here. I remember him saying in a post game quote, "None of the coaching staff will be going out on the road to recruit this bye week, instead we will stay with the team, and love them up. they need it." What the Hell is that? That's not focusing on the future of a program!
So DC comes into another mess just like Koenning. He has faired better and has focused wholeheartedly on recruiting. So, in the end, we are on the right path. DC is doing it right.
Plus, you can't say DC is worse than Glenn for what the scores looked like against Utah, BYU and the rest of the league. Glenn (his last three years) lost to BYU 0-44, 10-35, 7-55. Beat Utah once 31-15, lost 7-40 and 0-50. UNM won 14-10, lost 0-24 and 3-20. And TCU won 24-21 (TCU was 8-5 breaking in a new QB), Lost 7-54 and 3-26.
DC's numbers aren't that much worse even look better in some area's. Lost to BYU 0-52, 20-25. Lost to Utah 10-22, 0-40. UNM won 37-13, lost 31-34. And TCU lost 10-45, 0-45.
In the end, I just don't see any of your rants as valid yet again!
 
cheypoke said:
You seriously stay up at night worrying about this? You need to get a life. Whatever happens happens. It, in my opinion, has little to do with how good we are. It has to do with the small fan base which equals not very much money to be made off of ole Wyoming. TV money drives all of this and there arent enough people on either coast and/or in the south that want to watch Wyoming.
I watched Wyoming on ESPN every thursday night in Tennessee growing up. :cool: If Wyoming could get on national TV, I think people would watch. There is a certain mystique about Wyoming and people would watch if we were actually on national TV.

Even it was only 3 games a year on ESPN, it would pay off more than what we are currently doing. We MUST change the culture around here win or lose.
 
theman said:
We are a program that no conference wants, including the mwc. We are the reason why the MWC is looked at so poorly. We are holding the MWC back. We are not helping the MWC.

Unfortunately We suck!

I guaranfuckingtee you that Joe Glenn would not have lost to BYU, NM, or UNLV last year.

Wow, and people call me negative. "theboy" it must suck to be you. Can we implement a no whiners policy on WyoNation? We can tell you don't live here, because no one in Wyoming complains that much, we kick them out.

Guarantee a win.....ha ha like Glenn did against Utah....like that really means a lot. Get over it dude, he is gone, and we were going nowhere with him.
 
Cornpoke said:
I watched Wyoming on ESPN every thursday night in Tennessee growing up. :cool: If Wyoming could get on national TV, I think people would watch. There is a certain mystique about Wyoming and people would watch if we were actually on national TV.

Even it was only 3 games a year on ESPN, it would pay off more than what we are currently doing. We MUST change the culture around here win or lose.

I wholeheartedly disagree (except for the changing culture part.) Nobody outside of the Mtn time zone gives a crap about Wyoming.

I highly doubt you watched Wyoming every Thursday night on ESPN because we had 1, MAXIMUM 2 games on ESPN back in those days. Now you can watch every single game in Tennessee if you so choose.
 

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