Oklahoma State in trouble [Sports Illustrated]

[calpoke25]

The question for us is: which side of the line should Wyoming be on? Common sense dictates that we should end up on the amateur side. We lack the media market to ever begin to compete in funds with top schools. However...if enough schools stick with FBS/Pro football in that scenario that I don't see why Wyoming couldn't stick around. We don't beat out Texas for recruits now, so why would it matter if Texas paid a LB recruit $50,000/yr and we paid them $5,000/yr? In fact, if the big schools constantly got into bidding wars over players maybe it would reduce their advantage in other resources (coaching salaries, etc.).

I don't know, I will probably have a completely different opinion tomorrow, so don't hold me to any of that. Ha!

I agree that I don't see why Wyoming couldn't stick around. In addition to the hypothetical situation you provided with Texas, one has to keep in mind that at the end of the day, only 11 players will be on the field at any given time. Will Texas want to pay 85 scholarship football players a salary? The NFL only plays with a 53 man roster. Texas has to either pay an additional 30 scholarship players, or reduce their number of "scholarships" which would in turn "free up" players who normally would have went to Texas.

 

[MrTitleist]

Part 2 is up
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130911/oklahoma-state-part-2-academics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

It's amazing how many OSU fans are trying to call the author a liar and that none of the information is true. Tons of them quote the quoted players as claiming they were "misled."

Apparently none of those fans watched the videos of the players retelling the stories of what was going on. Misled my ass.

 

[CowboyNV]

Looks like a few SEC players might be trouble as well:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[fromolwyoming]

Looks like a few SEC players might be trouble as well:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, just read that. And you know if those 5 got some stuff like this, you KNOW a whole lot more did as well that haven't been "caught".

But, the NCAA will instead hammer the Sunbelt because they're in the same region as the SEC.

 

[whyoh]

Looks like a few SEC players might be trouble as well:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, just read that. And you know if those 5 got some stuff like this, you KNOW a whole lot more did as well that haven't been "caught".

But, the NCAA will instead hammer the Sunbelt because they're in the same region as the SEC.

Yeah...that'll show em

Maybe they'll get a nasty letter

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPSvIz9NDs[/youtube]

 

[Slow Hand]

College Athletes are paid already!!!!

Tuition, Books, Food, Shelter, Tutors, ect...

I had to pay for all of that out of my pocket and the athletes want to complain they don't have money to go buy a video game? Cry me a river. Get a job in the summer if you want some spending money. Don't bitch that you are not getting spending money when you get more than all the other college students.

I do think that some money should go to the athletes for merchandise b/c we know many times the player is the one moving the merchandise so they should get a cut of it.

Did you play football in college? The point is they don't have time to be a part of the football program, go to school, and work. College football today does not have an off season. My son was in Laramie all year! Fall season, winter conditioning and workouts, spring camp, and summer weightlifting conditioning and seven on seven workouts. Not to mention he was taking a full load of classes at the same time. Do they buy a video game now and then? Probably, but more often than not they are living off of Ramen noodles because they don't have a dollar to their name. But they bleed brown and gold for our entertainment and so the school can finance all of the other activities that generate zero revenue.

I double majored in 2 seperate schools at UW. 20-22 hours/semester. For four years I had my tuition (only) paid on the understanding that I commit 14 hours per week in classes that netted me 3 credits/semester. I had no time for a job and certainly didn't expect a paycheck. I took out out loans, same as everyone else.

Did I generate money for UW? Maybe a little. Did I bust my ass and put in the time on my own dime because I was following my passions? Yup.

I lack compassion for athletics on this one.

Back to OSU: as much as I hope something comes of this, assuming the allegations are proven, I fear the NCAA will show how inept they are yet again.

So the next logical question......I would think........is did you have any academic scholarships? If so how would that be any different than a football player on a scholarship. The most obvious would be that you didn't generate millions of dollars for the university, so as much as you despise athletic scholarships, you wouldn't deserve any subsidies. Bitter as you may be.....your point is mute. I am sure you worked hard and benefited greatly from your sacrifices though.

 

[Subcanis]

College Athletes are paid already!!!!

Tuition, Books, Food, Shelter, Tutors, ect...

I had to pay for all of that out of my pocket and the athletes want to complain they don't have money to go buy a video game? Cry me a river. Get a job in the summer if you want some spending money. Don't bitch that you are not getting spending money when you get more than all the other college students.

I do think that some money should go to the athletes for merchandise b/c we know many times the player is the one moving the merchandise so they should get a cut of it.

Did you play football in college? The point is they don't have time to be a part of the football program, go to school, and work. College football today does not have an off season. My son was in Laramie all year! Fall season, winter conditioning and workouts, spring camp, and summer weightlifting conditioning and seven on seven workouts. Not to mention he was taking a full load of classes at the same time. Do they buy a video game now and then? Probably, but more often than not they are living off of Ramen noodles because they don't have a dollar to their name. But they bleed brown and gold for our entertainment and so the school can finance all of the other activities that generate zero revenue.

I double majored in 2 seperate schools at UW. 20-22 hours/semester. For four years I had my tuition (only) paid on the understanding that I commit 14 hours per week in classes that netted me 3 credits/semester. I had no time for a job and certainly didn't expect a paycheck. I took out out loans, same as everyone else.

Did I generate money for UW? Maybe a little. Did I bust my ass and put in the time on my own dime because I was following my passions? Yup.

I lack compassion for athletics on this one.

Back to OSU: as much as I hope something comes of this, assuming the allegations are proven, I fear the NCAA will show how inept they are yet again.

So the next logical question......I would think........is did you have any academic scholarships? If so how would that be any different than a football player on a scholarship. The most obvious would be that you didn't generate millions of dollars for the university, so as much as you despise athletic scholarships, you wouldn't deserve any subsidies. Bitter as you may be.....your point is mute. I am sure you worked hard and benefited greatly from your sacrifices though.

Whoa. Where did I say I despised athletic scholarships? And I'm not bitter at all. I took a scholarship that funded my tuition in return for a boatload of work. No, I didn't get any academic scholarships (pre Hathaway).

I was very good at something coming out of high school that UW felt warranted a tuition scholly.

I'm not against athletic scholarships at all. I am against paying athletes when other talent/academic based scholarship students are putting in just as many hours all year long as athletes.

 

[Slow Hand]

College Athletes are paid already!!!!

Tuition, Books, Food, Shelter, Tutors, ect...

I had to pay for all of that out of my pocket and the athletes want to complain they don't have money to go buy a video game? Cry me a river. Get a job in the summer if you want some spending money. Don't bitch that you are not getting spending money when you get more than all the other college students.

I do think that some money should go to the athletes for merchandise b/c we know many times the player is the one moving the merchandise so they should get a cut of it.

Did you play football in college? The point is they don't have time to be a part of the football program, go to school, and work. College football today does not have an off season. My son was in Laramie all year! Fall season, winter conditioning and workouts, spring camp, and summer weightlifting conditioning and seven on seven workouts. Not to mention he was taking a full load of classes at the same time. Do they buy a video game now and then? Probably, but more often than not they are living off of Ramen noodles because they don't have a dollar to their name. But they bleed brown and gold for our entertainment and so the school can finance all of the other activities that generate zero revenue.

I double majored in 2 seperate schools at UW. 20-22 hours/semester. For four years I had my tuition (only) paid on the understanding that I commit 14 hours per week in classes that netted me 3 credits/semester. I had no time for a job and certainly didn't expect a paycheck. I took out out loans, same as everyone else.

Did I generate money for UW? Maybe a little. Did I bust my ass and put in the time on my own dime because I was following my passions? Yup.

I lack compassion for athletics on this one.

Back to OSU: as much as I hope something comes of this, assuming the allegations are proven, I fear the NCAA will show how inept they are yet again.

So the next logical question......I would think........is did you have any academic scholarships? If so how would that be any different than a football player on a scholarship. The most obvious would be that you didn't generate millions of dollars for the university, so as much as you despise athletic scholarships, you wouldn't deserve any subsidies. Bitter as you may be.....your point is mute. I am sure you worked hard and benefited greatly from your sacrifices though.

Whoa. Where did I say I despised athletic scholarships? And I'm not bitter at all. I took a scholarship that funded my tuition in return for a boatload of work. No, I didn't get any academic scholarships (pre Hathaway).

I was very good at something coming out of high school that UW felt warranted a tuition scholly.

I'm not against athletic scholarships at all. I am against paying athletes when other talent/academic based scholarship students are putting in just as many hours all year long as athletes.

My apologies....I must have mis-interpreted. Never-the-less, paying athletes is legitimized based on the money they generate for the universities.

 

[NowherePoke]

Look a little deeper into Thayer Evans who wrote this story.

Interesting articles on Deadspin and other places today including comments by many quoted sources claiming the quotes were paraphrased, out of context, or incorrect. At first the thought is "yeah right", but they provide a pretty solid background on how Evans approached them and what was discussed. He clearly misled and lied to the sources to try to pull quotes that could be used.

Evans also a history of misattributed/uncorroborated info. Perhaps, Jason Whitlock (who slammed Evans, a former colleague) knew what he was talking about.


Oh, and Evans is an OU alum. Bet he didn't dig too deep into what goes on in Norman.

 

[Wyokie]

Look a little deeper into Thayer Evans who wrote this story.

Interesting articles on Deadspin and other places today including comments by many quoted sources claiming the quotes were paraphrased, out of context, or incorrect. At first the thought is "yeah right", but they provide a pretty solid background on how Evans approached them and what was discussed. He clearly misled and lied to the sources to try to pull quotes that could be used.

Evans also a history of misattributed/uncorroborated info. Perhaps, Jason Whitlock (who slammed Evans, a former colleague) knew what he was talking about.


Oh, and Evans is an OU alum. Bet he didn't dig too deep into what goes on in Norman.

Figures. I figured someone with ties to OU had an axe to grind due to OSU's rising football future whereas OU is going down fast.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Look a little deeper into Thayer Evans who wrote this story.

Interesting articles on Deadspin and other places today including comments by many quoted sources claiming the quotes were paraphrased, out of context, or incorrect. At first the thought is "yeah right", but they provide a pretty solid background on how Evans approached them and what was discussed. He clearly misled and lied to the sources to try to pull quotes that could be used.

Evans also a history of misattributed/uncorroborated info. Perhaps, Jason Whitlock (who slammed Evans, a former colleague) knew what he was talking about.


Oh, and Evans is an OU alum. Bet he didn't dig too deep into what goes on in Norman.

No matter if he took stuff out of context, though - watch the first video. All those players say that people took money on the side. There was no "misleading" there.

 

[whyoh]

Look a little deeper into Thayer Evans who wrote this story.

Interesting articles on Deadspin and other places today including comments by many quoted sources claiming the quotes were paraphrased, out of context, or incorrect. At first the thought is "yeah right", but they provide a pretty solid background on how Evans approached them and what was discussed. He clearly misled and lied to the sources to try to pull quotes that could be used.

Evans also a history of misattributed/uncorroborated info. Perhaps, Jason Whitlock (who slammed Evans, a former colleague) knew what he was talking about.


Oh, and Evans is an OU alum. Bet he didn't dig too deep into what goes on in Norman.

jason whilock would sell out his own mother if it meant someone would read his column