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CSU game thread

Douglaspoke said:
Wyoming is so f...... small minded. We are now in a BS conference and just years aways from UNLV, NM and AFA moving on and possibly NDSU as well. Tarleton State will be in the PAC12 soon as well, who is Tarleton State, but they will zoom past the Pokes.

SO TAKE THIS and smoke it, at the end of the CSU game, they are playing on their jumbotron, MAMA DON'T LET YOU BABIES GROW UP TO BE COWBOYS!
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Who’s the QB playing well at Tarleton State this year? Perhaps the program is better coached? I bet the Tarleton State AD is not making almost $600,000 per year fielding perennial losers.
 
If one or more people are not fired after last night, we aren’t serious about winning regardless of what the General has to say. It is that simple. If Sawvel and Burman remain in their current position, UW has made its statement.
 
Midwest Cowboy said:
If one or more people are not fired after last night, we aren’t serious about winning regardless of what the General has to say. It is that simple. If Sawvel and Burman remain in their current position, UW has made its statement.
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I agree with you but I don’t think any major changes will happen until after the season ends.
 
Bear Claw said:
I agree with you but I don’t think any major changes will happen until after the season ends.
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Yep, we already know that Burman never fires anyone mid-season. He always wait till the end of the season putting us behind all the other teams that fire coaches in finding a new one. And I would assume the general would start by getting rid of Burman, but like others have said with him having his contract up at the end of this school year, I expect it will be announced he is " retiring" not being fired. So I don't think we see anything till the end of the season as well
 
Midwest Cowboy said:
If one or more people are not fired after last night, we aren’t serious about winning regardless of what the General has to say. It is that simple. If Sawvel and Burman remain in their current position, UW has made its statement.
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In my opinion, this is the first real test for how serious President Reeves is about rehabilitating the athletics department.

If we wait to get rid of Burman until the end of his contract, we are stuck with Sawvel for another year. If he is truly serious about turning around athletics, that is just unacceptable in my opinion.

Yes, it is going to take money to buy out Burman’s final year and Sawvel’s last two years. I don’t care. Get it done. If it is truly financially unrealistic, then it’s time to admit we no longer have the finances to compete at this level.
 
Letting Burman retire vs. firing him misses the opportunity to make a statement. THAT is what is needed. I don’t care if they fire him with a day left on his contract, make the statement.
 
I’m not familiar with the current world of big donors to the WYO Ath Dept., but I think any buyout of the Sawvel contract would have to be sourced by those private dollars. Public money would just be a political hot potato.
 
Sagebrush said:
I’m not familiar with the current world of big donors to the WYO Ath Dept., but I think any buyout of the Sawvel contract would have to be sourced by those private dollars. Public money would just be a political hot potato.
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The starting point to turning around the football program has to be getting rid of Burman. Wyoming simply cannot get rid of Sawvel without first kicking Burman to the curb.
 
Unfortunately, one thing I will say is that yea, Burman might be in a bind with that. He can't even convince the legislature to adequately and normally fund athletics (keep in mind this is a legislature that continues to gut academics even, let alone athletics funding...and continues to threaten more). Coming up with the cash to buyout Sawvel and attract a decent replacement (and give them a decent assistant pool) may simply not be something he can do. There is NO stomach for public funds right now.

I don't want to get political here, but elections have consequences and you get what you vote for. Hopefully the apparent demise of certain political factions this go around eases that pain, but yea.

The CJC is gonna have to do the heavy lifting here. But it's hard to convince people (including me) to give that money when we don't believe Burman will pull the trigger in the first place.

And then yea, as I mentioned Burman himself is a long-entrenched local and member of the good ol' boys club...and he's well-liked on both a personal and professional level. And for some reason he's respected by his peers across the leagues we compete in. There's no way they're not going to let him save face and retire....unless he's really, really greedy and is pushing for another contract. Even if the General is super motivated and willing to take swings....does the board find a way to overrule him? I guarantee there's something buried in the bylaws that lets them save Burman's reputation and lets him hold on until retirement.

This whole thing is fucked. Years and years of complacency, bad leadership, bad politics, an apathetic/casual/ignorant fanbase, and a lack of vision have put us in a monstrous bind and stuck us with a bad situation and no clear way out.
 
Sagebrush said:
I’m not familiar with the current world of big donors to the WYO Ath Dept., but I think any buyout of the Sawvel contract would have to be sourced by those private dollars. Public money would just be a political hot potato.
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I question if some deeper pocket donors haven’t already slowed the cash flow.

I also doubt that Sawful will be gone sooner than sometime in 2028 regardless of the new president since he is locked in 2 more years after 2026 at $1.5 million per year. Maybe he will be let go as early as the end of 2027 if 2026 and 2027 fail to produce the 6 win worship the coach level.

My fear is the program is on a path to hemorrhage into the abyss for years to come reminiscent of Vic followed by little flickers of success like the Glenn and Christensen eras with any new hires unless there is a mindset change within the entire Wyoming system.

There have been some familiar Cheyenne names disappear from the CJC. I don’t think they passed away but I wonder what happened as they no longer are listed as involved or donors (they weren’t just Century Club).
 
Jake Wilson has huge potential. Hope that he a) stays healthy, and b) that the coaches sees what was obvious. The guy is a petroleum engineering major so he might stick around. Not a lot of schools that offer that. I still think that 6-6 or 7-5 is very possible, given the weak schedule. The team had some players on it.
 
Douglaspoke said:
That is what I am talking about Wyoming Football--that was Wyoming Football and yes add the Roach years.

Travelling in the 60s--you would be asked about Wyoming Football wherever you were in the USA. Let's not forget a nationally acclaimed unbeaten team in the top 10 and playing in the Sugar Bowl. Look at where we are now--this is a joke now. CSU wasn't even part of the initial WAC members and look at them now, look at other teams that have passed us, because Wyoming is so f...... small minded. We are now in a BS conference and just years aways from UNLV, NM and AFA moving on and possibly NDSU as well. Tarleton State will be in the PAC12 soon as well, who is Tarleton State, but they will zoom past the Pokes. Just like so many others. I had a Cowboys in Colorado breakfast a few years back and the AD person there spoke about how it was just so impossible to move fwd because of being little ole Wyoming...he was on our paid staff!! So many more examples....so many years of seeing this. BOHL had us on the cusp, but you wonder how much support he really had....he at least knew real Wyoming football, but I think he got dumbed down as well by the powers at Old Main.

SO TAKE THIS and smoke it, at the end of the CSU game, they are playing on their jumbotron, MAMA DON'T LET YOU BABIES GROW UP TO BE COWBOYS!
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Don't sell us short. UC Davis and NDSU will be leaving us behind as well, soon enough.
 
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