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Men's basketball releases OOC
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Bryoming
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Not the best OOC slate, but better than we've had recently. South Dakota was an NCAA tourney team last season, DU and UNC are always good games, SMU is going to be an interesting one after the game last season, and Ohio State is going to be rough. I'm still not overly impressed, but it's getting better.
Wyo2dal
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The thing that I can say that is nice about it, We're finally moving around we're trying new teams they might not be powerhouse names but there are new names we don't play every year so to previous years of playing the same shit teams over and over again I prefer this OOC.
NowherePoke
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You are thinking of South Dakota State with Nate Wolters. We are playing the University of South Dakota (current employer of Joe Glenn). We played them last year too. They aren't good (sub 200 RPI).WYO1016 said:
Overall the home games are awful. The three true road games will all be strong challenges (DU, CU, OSU).
SMU should be decent. Brown is upgrading the talent there quickly.
seattlecowboy
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I'm going to guess that we probably go 10-3 or 11-2 with that schedule. Probably a loss at OSU for sure and then even though we have owned CU they might get us. Denver will be a 50/50 game and we should win all of our home games. Maybe we do better than I think and upset CU again and finish 12-1 but that will be a pretty tough game on the road.
BeaverPoke
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This OOC schedule is good.
The game @Ohio State should be a huge boost for the RPI. Even if we get killed.
The CU game is early enough in the season that well anything could happen. But I don't see why Wyo shouldn't beat them.
Especially if this team is gelling off the court like we have heard about.
I hope we are undefeated going to Ohio State.
Would love for Nance to put up 30+ and upset the Buckeyes.
Montana State and Black Hills State should be wins.
Beating DU in Denver might be a challenge, but if Shyatt has really upgraded the talent and turned UW around, beating Denver should not be the challenge it has been.
I think the Pokes should only have 1 loss coming out of OOC play, and that is to tOSU.
Hopefully we are undefeated and no one buys into our record because of last season, then we don't totally fall apart this time!
The game @Ohio State should be a huge boost for the RPI. Even if we get killed.
The CU game is early enough in the season that well anything could happen. But I don't see why Wyo shouldn't beat them.
Especially if this team is gelling off the court like we have heard about.
I hope we are undefeated going to Ohio State.
Would love for Nance to put up 30+ and upset the Buckeyes.
Montana State and Black Hills State should be wins.
Beating DU in Denver might be a challenge, but if Shyatt has really upgraded the talent and turned UW around, beating Denver should not be the challenge it has been.
I think the Pokes should only have 1 loss coming out of OOC play, and that is to tOSU.
Hopefully we are undefeated and no one buys into our record because of last season, then we don't totally fall apart this time!
ProudWYOAlum
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That SMU game is going to be a real test. Larry Brown has recruited some high caliber, 5 star, blue chip recruits there the past two years. Plus the students will be gone that weekend we host both SMU & UNC.
CU, DU, and Ohio State will all be bug challenges for this team. I believe they have the talent and coaching to win every game in the OOC.
CU, DU, and Ohio State will all be bug challenges for this team. I believe they have the talent and coaching to win every game in the OOC.
SLCPoke
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It's not the hardest schedule in the world, but it certainly looks much better than the last few years. I think the mix of: Ohio State, Denver, and Colorado make a decent core of top 100 RPI games in the OOC. Here is how our schedule finished in the RPI last year as well as their record: (top 100 Bold)
vs. Tennessee-Martin (7-21)- #314
vs. Western State (11-15) Div. II
@ Coloardo (21-11)- #38
vs. Arkansas State (18-12) #163
vs. Jackson State (11-18) #309
vs. South Dakota (8-21) #241
@ Ohio State (26-7) #10
vs. Montana State (11-17) #317
vs. Black Hills State (7-19) Div. II
@ South Dakota (8-21) #241....in Rapid City
@ Denver (21-9) #66
vs. SMU (14-17) #218
vs. Northern Colorado (11-18) #257
I expect SMU to be in the top 100 as well this season, with Larry Brown turning things around. Although overall it looks like a cupcake schedule again minus Ohio State, Denver and Colorado. Notice our toughest 3 games (in my opinion) are all on the road? All 3 of those will be important to a potential tourney bid.
vs. Tennessee-Martin (7-21)- #314
vs. Western State (11-15) Div. II
@ Coloardo (21-11)- #38
vs. Arkansas State (18-12) #163
vs. Jackson State (11-18) #309
vs. South Dakota (8-21) #241
@ Ohio State (26-7) #10
vs. Montana State (11-17) #317
vs. Black Hills State (7-19) Div. II
@ South Dakota (8-21) #241....in Rapid City
@ Denver (21-9) #66
vs. SMU (14-17) #218
vs. Northern Colorado (11-18) #257
I expect SMU to be in the top 100 as well this season, with Larry Brown turning things around. Although overall it looks like a cupcake schedule again minus Ohio State, Denver and Colorado. Notice our toughest 3 games (in my opinion) are all on the road? All 3 of those will be important to a potential tourney bid.
NowherePoke
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SLCPoke said:
I don't think it is any better than last year's. Based on last year's RPI, the Median RPI of our OOC opponents for this upcoming year is 241, last year was 228 (that only takes into account D1 games, both years had 2 D2 games, which is probably the biggest issue). Shyatt's first year was 247, so I don't really see any progress. Obviously the teams on this year's schedule could turn out better than last year, but aside from SMU (whose trajectory was anticipated at the time they were scheduled) there is no real reason to anticipate that we will see a significant difference in performance.
It's year 3 of Shyatt's tenure and we will likely start all upperclassmen. It's time to start scheduling like a MWC team. We will never have a full slate of marquee opponents because it's simply too hard to get people to agree to a home and home, but we need to schedule more credible mid-majors in home and home situations and we probably need to take a hard look at entering a higher profile neutral court early season tournament to get a shot at quality opponents. I know that Shyatt probably likes these BS tournaments that we host like the Global Hoops Showcase because it does help us get a few opponents at home and probably is more affordable than if we had to try to purchase every home game against these types of Sun Belt, SWAC, etc. opponents. However, if we ever want to play in a post-season tournament other than CBI/CIT we will have to upgrade the schedule. The selection committee (even for the NIT) will not reward this type of schedule.
Now, obviously this year there isn't much to be concerned about in terms of post-season play. The goal is just to improve. If we can move up from 8th out 9 to around 6th out 11 and come close to .500 in conference play I think that would be a solid improvement and set the table for a senior laden team in 2014-15 to be a possible postseason player. Need to step up the schedule next year though in order to give that team an opportunity to prove itself.
YankPoke
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I think the schedule is much better for one reason Ohio State. Our rpi this year is going to be much higher than it was last year as long as we only lose around 2 in ooc. Ohio State will make our rpi very high no matter the result, just like CSU when they went to Duke and that was their only game of note.
NowherePoke
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YankPoke said:
That's not how the RPI works. It's a pretty simple formula. It is basically made up of your own adjusted winning percentage (25%), the adjusted winning percentage of your opponents (50%) and the adjusted winning percentage of your opponents opponents (25%).
Adjusted winning percentage utilizes different values for home/away/neutral(home win is only worth 0.6, neutral win is worth 1.0 and road win is worth 1.4).
The largest component is opponent winning percentage and while I haven't gone through and calculated the adjusted winning percentage, the plain winning percentage for our OOC opponents in 2012-2013 was 47.2% and the plain winning percentage last year for OOC opponents scheduled in 2013-2014 is 47.5%.
There are plenty of caveats of course:
1. Teams could perform much different in 13-14, than they did in 12-13.
2. Adjusted winning percentage may show more variation than plain winning percentage.
3. I haven't accounted for the Opponents SOS component (OSU will help here, but they are only one team out of 29 D1 games on our schedule).
However, I think it is fair to say that you would anticipate our OOC SOS to be very similar next year as it was this year. If that is the case, any OOC loss at all will likely mean we have a lower OOC RPI than what we have last year.
The key will be MWC play. I expect the MWC will be weaker from a RPI perspective next year, but if we can improve our conference winning percentage we could be ok (by ok, I mean Top 100 RPI and some type of postseason albeit probably CBI/CIT). We actually finished with a RPI of 75 a year ago, which isn't bad considering we were one game out of last place.
kansasCowboy
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I hope I'm wrong, but I'll say we go either 9-4 or 10-3. Just a gut feeling. I think we will start slow this year and we pick it up in conf this year. So overall, we may get another 20 to 23 win season.
I think we will lose to Denver, OSU, SMU will surprise us in Laramie and possibly Jackson St.
I think we will lose to Denver, OSU, SMU will surprise us in Laramie and possibly Jackson St.
NowherePoke
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McPeachy said:
Pretty much agree. All 3 road games are a challenge and SMU will be improved, but we should be able to win one of those 4 games. The other 9 should all be victories as long as Heath Schroyer is not stalking out sideline.
kansasCowboy said:
I think you are spot-on, kansasCowboy. I see the Pokes struggling in out of conference play, but expect them to perform better in the MWC next season. This basketball team is more athletic than last years team, but I'm not at all convinced they are a better basketball team. I expect a lot of "surprising" results this coming season, both in regards to the Pokes beating teams nobody thought they would and in them dropping games that leaves everybody asking, "What the hell just happened?" This is going to be a very inconsistent team.
BeaverPoke
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Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.
