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[kansasCowboy]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Say what you will, but I have a feeling this team is going to take a few games to find itself.

 

[J-Rod]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

 

[DVDA]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

 

[SLCPoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

 

[DVDA]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

 

[seattlecowboy]

After reading some of the players responses to numerous questions asked to them I would say that it sounds like the team will be better this next year than it was this last year.

They all seem to think this team has a LOT more chemistry and plays together really well. They are saying that they will run more now with the pieces they have in place. I would say this team at worst will probably go either 11-2 or 10-3 in OOC games and they will have a far better record in conference compared to last year. Partly because the league won't be quite as strong and partly due to the fact that they will be a better "team".

I would expect a league record possibly just a tad over .500 which with an 11-2 or 10-3 OOC record should get us in the NIT for sure with an outside shot at an NCAA bid.

I'm basing some of this on the responses I read by the players of course so I have to take it with a grain of salt but they seem to really believe that this teams chemistry is outstanding. We shall see. Hope they are right. Could be an exciting and surprising year next year maybe.

 

[BeaverPoke]

After reading some of the players responses to numerous questions asked to them I would say that it sounds like the team will be better this next year than it was this last year.

They all seem to think this team has a LOT more chemistry and plays together really well. They are saying that they will run more now with the pieces they have in place. I would say this team at worst will probably go either 11-2 or 10-3 in OOC games and they will have a far better record in conference compared to last year. Partly because the league won't be quite as strong and partly due to the fact that they will be a better "team".

I would expect a league record possibly just a tad over .500 which with an 11-2 or 10-3 OOC record should get us in the NIT for sure with an outside shot at an NCAA bid.

I'm basing some of this on the responses I read by the players of course so I have to take it with a grain of salt but they seem to really believe that this teams chemistry is outstanding. We shall see. Hope they are right. Could be an exciting and surprising year next year maybe.

I totally agree. But of course I am BeaverPoke so I agree with anything that says Wyo will be better lol.
But looking at it from the chemistry thing, I think that will be huge.
You could see the players getting so frustrated with Gilmore last season. Grabau, and Nance at times were waving their hands in the air at him like "WTF are you doing?!" and Adams at times seemed to bite his tongue because he was the freshman.
He would be open or ready to call a play then ball hog Gilmore would come in and fuck the offense up and you could see Adams visibly get mad and clinch his jaw and then run the offense Gilmore wanted.
Gilmore put up points and was huge for us at times, but he had the "Kobe ball hog" mentality. Of course you are going to score 25+ when you are the only one shooting the ball.

Best play all season was when Nance did not inbound the ball to Gilmore and instead waited for Adams to come and get the ball in the final seconds of the CBI game 1. Everyone knew Gilmore would have gone down and shot the 3 himself, and probably missed. Instead Adams comes and gets it, find Sobey for an open 3 and he hits it.
They don't have to deal with that "I'm the SR so give me the ball I am running this team" shit from Gilmore.
He was a drain on the team.
Plus w/out him there, 6'2 Adams won't have to guard 6'7 wing players all season.
I fully expect the defense to be better this season. Maybe not in a PPG way, but that is because the team won't be waiting 30 seconds for a shitty 3 pointer by Gilmore. The offense will run more smoothly and quick, and therefore the other team gets the ball more. So the PPG won't reflect the defense improvement but I think when they are actually playing D on the court, it will be better.

Plus everything I have heard about Sellers of all people improving, he should be huge for us blocking shots, and disrupting shots, and getting rebounds.
A lot of the players have said Sellers is by far the most improved player on the team. Being that big you don't need to be a good player to be good.

And Derek Cooke is going to get better, Nance is probably going to improve. Hopefully he doesn't get sick in the middle of MWC play this year. When he got healthy he was a beast. This is HIS team this year, he is going to be huge.

The guards will be able to flow more freely w/out Gilmore, and the bigs will all be better. Plus the incoming freshman apparently work their asses off and have surprised even Nance at their efforts and skills. What's not to like this season?

 

[NowherePoke]

After reading some of the players responses to numerous questions asked to them I would say that it sounds like the team will be better this next year than it was this last year.

They all seem to think this team has a LOT more chemistry and plays together really well. They are saying that they will run more now with the pieces they have in place. I would say this team at worst will probably go either 11-2 or 10-3 in OOC games and they will have a far better record in conference compared to last year. Partly because the league won't be quite as strong and partly due to the fact that they will be a better "team".

I would expect a league record possibly just a tad over .500 which with an 11-2 or 10-3 OOC record should get us in the NIT for sure with an outside shot at an NCAA bid.

I'm basing some of this on the responses I read by the players of course so I have to take it with a grain of salt but they seem to really believe that this teams chemistry is outstanding. We shall see. Hope they are right. Could be an exciting and surprising year next year maybe.

Never read too much into player comments. I do think the Pokes will be better in conference play (almost nowhere to go but up, after all), but it will be more of a function of health/eligibility compared to last year's squad rather than being more of a "team". If the Pokes hadn't lost Luke and then dealt with the health issues to Leonard and Larry, they would have been much more competitive in conference play.

It will be interesting to see how the rotation splits up. It sounds like the players expect Nance and Cooke to both start in the frontcourt and I have to expect Granberry and Hankerson to start on the wings. That leaves a competition at PG (Adams/Grabau). Bench contributors should be Sobey and the other PG (Adams/Grabau) on the perimeter. Will be interesting to see who else earns time in the frontcourt between Haldorson/Vernon/Sellers. Shyatt has brought up the possibility of a 4 guard line-up as well (possibly Adams/Sobey/Granberry/Hankerson), which might be doable since Hankerson has the bulk and strength to deal with defending many opposing 4 men.

 

[NowherePoke]

After reading some of the players responses to numerous questions asked to them I would say that it sounds like the team will be better this next year than it was this last year.

They all seem to think this team has a LOT more chemistry and plays together really well. They are saying that they will run more now with the pieces they have in place. I would say this team at worst will probably go either 11-2 or 10-3 in OOC games and they will have a far better record in conference compared to last year. Partly because the league won't be quite as strong and partly due to the fact that they will be a better "team".

I would expect a league record possibly just a tad over .500 which with an 11-2 or 10-3 OOC record should get us in the NIT for sure with an outside shot at an NCAA bid.

I'm basing some of this on the responses I read by the players of course so I have to take it with a grain of salt but they seem to really believe that this teams chemistry is outstanding. We shall see. Hope they are right. Could be an exciting and surprising year next year maybe.

Plus w/out him there, 6'2 Adams won't have to guard 6'7 wing players all season.
I fully expect the defense to be better this season. Maybe not in a PPG way, but that is because the team won't be waiting 30 seconds for a shitty 3 pointer by Gilmore. The offense will run more smoothly and quick, and therefore the other team gets the ball more. So the PPG won't reflect the defense improvement but I think when they are actually playing D on the court, it will be better.

Agree with this. Adams put in a heck of an effort last year, but having three little guards out there really killed us at times. I think a healthy Adams attacking the ball handler on D with Granberry and Hankerson matched up on opposing wings will make the perimeter defense much better.

Interior d will be interesting. Cooke has the tools to be a plus defender, but Leonard erased quite a few mistakes made by others (either via blocked shot or taking a charge). Cooke has the athleticism to cover ground and challenge shots like Leonard, but is much more raw in terms of recognizing and reacting. Should improve with more playing time though.

I do like next year's team already. Primary concern is dribble penetration, or lack thereof. Didn't see a lot of that from Adams last year and Granberry appears to be mostly a perimeter shooter. Hankerson isn't typically described as very quick, although with his strength it sounds like he can get into the lane and get his shot off.

Would really like to see Shyatt loosen the reins on the offense. Pokes will not be an uptempo team by any means (Shyatt has been the head coach at UW for 3 total seasons, and all 3 have been very slow paced) as Shyatt will not usually press and he puts a premium on getting back on D rather than crashing the offensive glass. However, it seems like the last two years that the Pokes have turned down quality looks early in the shot clock in order to shorten the game. I would prefer that they just get into their offense and take quality looks as they appear. Too often we turned down a decent shot to end up with an awful shot as the shot clock was expiring.

 

[seattlecowboy]

After reading some of the players responses to numerous questions asked to them I would say that it sounds like the team will be better this next year than it was this last year.

They all seem to think this team has a LOT more chemistry and plays together really well. They are saying that they will run more now with the pieces they have in place. I would say this team at worst will probably go either 11-2 or 10-3 in OOC games and they will have a far better record in conference compared to last year. Partly because the league won't be quite as strong and partly due to the fact that they will be a better "team".

I would expect a league record possibly just a tad over .500 which with an 11-2 or 10-3 OOC record should get us in the NIT for sure with an outside shot at an NCAA bid.

I'm basing some of this on the responses I read by the players of course so I have to take it with a grain of salt but they seem to really believe that this teams chemistry is outstanding. We shall see. Hope they are right. Could be an exciting and surprising year next year maybe.

Never read too much into player comments. I do think the Pokes will be better in conference play (almost nowhere to go but up, after all), but it will be more of a function of health/eligibility compared to last year's squad rather than being more of a "team". If the Pokes hadn't lost Luke and then dealt with the health issues to Leonard and Larry, they would have been much more competitive in conference play.

It will be interesting to see how the rotation splits up. It sounds like the players expect Nance and Cooke to both start in the frontcourt and I have to expect Granberry and Hankerson to start on the wings. That leaves a competition at PG (Adams/Grabau). Bench contributors should be Sobey and the other PG (Adams/Grabau) on the perimeter. Will be interesting to see who else earns time in the frontcourt between Haldorson/Vernon/Sellers. Shyatt has brought up the possibility of a 4 guard line-up as well (possibly Adams/Sobey/Granberry/Hankerson), which might be doable since Hankerson has the bulk and strength to deal with defending many opposing 4 men.

Yeah I don't read a lot into the players comments either that's why i said i would take it with a grain of salt but the thing that stood out was the fact all of them said they have great chemistry. I did notice a couple of them were asked who would lead the team in assists and they said they thought Grabau would so does that mean Grabau starts? Guess we will see. The backcourt should be a lot better than last year.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Haha guys, how awesome is this?
It's freaking July and we are talking about who might be starting? Shyatt has does a good job at getting some wins and getting interest in the program again. And contrary to many people, I think we have upgraded the talent A LOT. We have depth.

I think the starting lineup will go like this:
Grabau
Adams
Hankerson
Nance
Cooke

I think our high energy lineup will be
Adams
Sobey
Granberry
Hankerson
Cooke

Our big defensive lineup will be:
Adams
Hankerson
Cooke
Nance
Sellers

Between Trey Washington, Josh Adams, Riley Grabau, Sobey, Hankerson JR, Granberry and Bentz, we have some real talent, and depth for our guards.
Between Keonta Vernon, Nance, Cooke, and Sellers we have some real talent and a little bit of depth for our bigs.
But fortunately with all the pieces we have, if 1 of those bigs gets hurt or fouls out, we won't be screwed. Hankerson and Granberry are bigger guys as well.

The team has talent and depth this season. And because of the Luke situation, Adams is already a guy who has a LOT of experience. Most sophomore guards are not returning starters. I am excited to watch Adams this season, I want to watch him progress into a great player.

 

[SLCPoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

 

[J-Rod]

Boise State had 4 key players out, including Derrick Marks and Thompson. Wyoming should never lose at home to a short-handed BSU.

 

[DVDA]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

Apparently you didn't read the original comment. Beaver's comment referred to Wyoming coaches who lose games they should never lose. Take for example the football team losing to an FCS school last year. That should never happen. The basketball team didn't drop any of those games in OOC play. If they had lost to Panhandle State then you would have a case but Western Michigan was a more talented team than UW and that depleted Boise team shot 58% from 3.

 

[NowherePoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

Apparently you didn't read the original comment. Beaver's comment referred to Wyoming coaches who lose games they should never lose. Take for example the football team losing to an FCS school last year. That should never happen. The basketball team didn't drop any of those games in OOC play. If they had lost to Panhandle State then you would have a case but Western Michigan was a more talented team than UW and that depleted Boise team shot 58% from 3.

I agree about those two games (Boise was a NCAA tourney team and WMU was a postseason team obviously). They were "could" win games not "should" win games necessarily (particularly after Luke's departure).

However, I disagree that WMU was more talented than UW. The young PF (Paul) looked pretty impressive (he has since transferred), but other than that I don't think they had a talent advantage at all. BSU shot 58% because they were open. Poor defense by Wyoming who was still learning how to play without Martinez (that was the 2nd game without him). Unfortunately, BSU's bench guys were far better in Marks' absence than UW's did in Martinez's absence.

 

[NowherePoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

BSU and WMU were both tie games with 1 minute to go. That is anybody's game no matter how you slice it.

If Wyoming should have won those games, than you couldn't say the same about Lehigh who led Wyoming for the last 10 minutes of the game until that last second 3 by Sobey? What about Illinois State who blew a huge lead at home to us?

It works both ways.

 

[SLCPoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

BSU and WMU were both tie games with 1 minute to go. That is anybody's game no matter how you slice it.

If Wyoming should have won those games, than you couldn't say the same about Lehigh who led Wyoming for the last 10 minutes of the game until that last second 3 by Sobey? What about Illinois State who blew a huge lead at home to us?

It works both ways.

It's a matter of opinion...in my mind if I lose those game they are games that the Cowboys should have won. Also, that's great it works both ways, but I wasn't talking about winning games that we should or could have lost. I'm not really sure how that's incredibly pertinent to the conversation at hand. However, to tickle your fancy....yes Wyoming should have lost to Illinois State and should have lost to Lehigh in my opinion. That is where I will give credit to Larry Shyatt and his ability to coach and keep a team's mind in the game (especially Illinois State). I'm not doubting Larry nor his coaching ability, I'm as happy as anyone he is the head man here at Wyoming.....but Wyoming has a LONG history of losing games that we SHOULD have one every season. Which was my original comment to another posters comment about how the basketball team didn't lose any games they should have won last year. Even if in some minds it was only Fresno State, the fact of the matter is they still lost that game when they should have won...and the point is still the same...Wyoming loses games they should win every single season. We will not be an elite or upper MWC team until we buck that habit (which is the end point)

 

[NowherePoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

BSU and WMU were both tie games with 1 minute to go. That is anybody's game no matter how you slice it.

If Wyoming should have won those games, than you couldn't say the same about Lehigh who led Wyoming for the last 10 minutes of the game until that last second 3 by Sobey? What about Illinois State who blew a huge lead at home to us?

It works both ways.

It's a matter of opinion...in my mind if I lose those game they are games that the Cowboys should have won. Also, that's great it works both ways, but I wasn't talking about winning games that we should or could have lost. I'm not really sure how that's incredibly pertinent to the conversation at hand. However, to tickle your fancy....yes Wyoming should have lost to Illinois State and should have lost to Lehigh in my opinion. That is where I will give credit to Larry Shyatt and his ability to coach and keep a team's mind in the game (especially Illinois State). I'm not doubting Larry nor his coaching ability, I'm as happy as anyone he is the head man here at Wyoming.....but Wyoming has a LONG history of losing games that we SHOULD have one every season. Which was my original comment to another posters comment about how the basketball team didn't lose any games they should have won last year. Even if in some minds it was only Fresno State, the fact of the matter is they still lost that game when they should have won...and the point is still the same...Wyoming loses games they should win every single season. We will not be an elite or upper MWC team until we buck that habit (which is the end point)

Every team (or nearly every team) in the country loses a game they "should" have won by that criteria. If you think we should have beaten Fresno how do you think a Top 3 MWC team (UNLV) feels about getting swept by them? What about SDSU's loss to AFA ( or in Laramie for that matter). UNM losing in the Pit to South Dakota State (a good team, but not one that should beat the MWC champ on their home court), etc.

That's the nature of the sport. When you have that many games you will have some victories over teams that are better than you on paper and losses to teams that are worse on paper. There will be comeback victories and blown leads. You can only look at the aggregate. Wyoming's problem is not some curse specific to losing games we shouldn't. It's simply the fact that we haven't been very good (the reasons behind that are a more interesting and/or depressing discussion). Hope that changes.

 

[SLCPoke]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

BSU and WMU were both tie games with 1 minute to go. That is anybody's game no matter how you slice it.

If Wyoming should have won those games, than you couldn't say the same about Lehigh who led Wyoming for the last 10 minutes of the game until that last second 3 by Sobey? What about Illinois State who blew a huge lead at home to us?

It works both ways.

It's a matter of opinion...in my mind if I lose those game they are games that the Cowboys should have won. Also, that's great it works both ways, but I wasn't talking about winning games that we should or could have lost. I'm not really sure how that's incredibly pertinent to the conversation at hand. However, to tickle your fancy....yes Wyoming should have lost to Illinois State and should have lost to Lehigh in my opinion. That is where I will give credit to Larry Shyatt and his ability to coach and keep a team's mind in the game (especially Illinois State). I'm not doubting Larry nor his coaching ability, I'm as happy as anyone he is the head man here at Wyoming.....but Wyoming has a LONG history of losing games that we SHOULD have one every season. Which was my original comment to another posters comment about how the basketball team didn't lose any games they should have won last year. Even if in some minds it was only Fresno State, the fact of the matter is they still lost that game when they should have won...and the point is still the same...Wyoming loses games they should win every single season. We will not be an elite or upper MWC team until we buck that habit (which is the end point)

Every team (or nearly every team) in the country loses a game they "should" have won by that criteria. If you think we should have beaten Fresno how do you think a Top 3 MWC team (UNLV) feels about getting swept by them? What about SDSU's loss to AFA ( or in Laramie for that matter). UNM losing in the Pit to South Dakota State (a good team, but not one that should beat the MWC champ on their home court), etc.

That's the nature of the sport. When you have that many games you will have some victories over teams that are better than you on paper and losses to teams that are worse on paper. There will be comeback victories and blown leads. You can only look at the aggregate. Wyoming's problem is not some curse specific to losing games we shouldn't. It's simply the fact that we haven't been very good (the reasons behind that are a more interesting and/or depressing discussion). Hope that changes.

Alright, I'll go with that, seems logical

 

[Subcanis]

Wyo hoops dropping games we shouldn't? This isn't Schroyer, Glenn, or Chirstensen coaching, this is Shyatt.

Huh? Geezus....there was quite a few games UW dropped last season that they shouldn't have.

I have no predictions for this team......this program is still sorting out its identity under Shyatt. No Leonard Washington makes things interesting......Shyatt will earn his money this upcoming winter.

Which games should Wyoming have won last year that they didn't? If they did anything, they overachieved with 3 point guards on the court and no depth for the second half of the season.

Boise State at home, @ Fresno State, Western Michigan at home in the CBI....at least those 3

Fresno State was the only game they should have won. The other two games Wyoming could have won but let slip away. That's different than saying they should have won those games before they even started.

When you're winning in the last 30 seconds of a game....you SHOULD WIN....not COULD, you SHOULD.

Apparently you didn't read the original comment. Beaver's comment referred to Wyoming coaches who lose games they should never lose. Take for example the football team losing to an FCS school last year. That should never happen. The basketball team didn't drop any of those games in OOC play. If they had lost to Panhandle State then you would have a case but Western Michigan was a more talented team than UW and that depleted Boise team shot 58% from 3.

And we let a DEPLETED Boise State team shoot 58% because...

Poor D. Period. They didn't get lucky, we dropped the ball.

That being said, I am cautiously optimistic for next season. I like Papa Shy, and I trust he will do the best with what we have.