Larry Shyatt to extend his contract

[BeaverPoke]

Wyo2Dal...
Wyoming lost to AFA by 1 point with Jason Thompson starting.
You really don't think we score more points with Brett starting?
The Cal Poly game we lost with Kirkgaard starting. We don't score another TD and win that game?

Bull.
That puts that 2012 team to 6 wins.
The Toledo and Nevada games are the only ones up for grabs.

Look we got the shit kicked out of us by a number of teams with Brett so having him doesn't say we automatically win and you can't convince me of that no matter hard how you try.

I feel like Shyatt is more deserving for what he has proven and how has started turning the program around. I don't feel like DC deserved an extension and the comparison between DC and Shyatt in my opinion isn't a good comparison. No matter what stats you throw at me it's not going to change my mind and we didn't automatically beat anyone because Brett was there.

Does one person make an impact absolutely I agree 100% but the leader of a Basketball team where only 5 guys are on the court and present is completely different for Football where there are 22 guys and no one plays both offense and defense.

Now if we lost a game because we didn't have Ruffran/Miller & Yarbrough/Huff I would consider that closer to how impactful Nance is on the court. I won't say one person can't win a Football game because we saw Brett do a shitload as just one person.

What one person in Football can't do is contribute to both defense and offense like in Basketball.

No amount of statistical data is going to make me think comparing Larry Shyatt to Dave Christensen is an equal comparison.

I get what you're saying but at the same time, the QB holds the most power on the field.
Look at the Colts when Peyton was out that season. They went from 12 wins a year for the previous decade to a 2 win team.
Then they get Luck and are magically a good team again.

The QB is just 1 of 22, but that 1 is a lot more important than any 1 RB or 1 WR or 1 O-Lineman.

But as for Shyatt, I think he deserves it about the same as DC did (which he really didn't at the time).

DC won MWC coach of the year, had 2 bowl teams in 3 seasons and was 3-0 against the Sheep.
Things were trending upward, with very limited accolades to show for it.
Same thing as Shyatt. Things are trending upwards, but there aren't many accolades to show for it.
Had Brett not gotten hurt we go to another 1 or 2 bowls.
Had Luke not fucked up (Why didn't Shyatt make the season a dry-season like Bohl is doing) and Larry not gotten hurt we may have 2 Big Dance appearances right now.

I guess what I am getting at, is that when DC was extended he had accomplished a little but the trend was getting better, which is really the exact same thing as Shyatt, but I will say that Shyatts possible "what-if" ceiling is much higher, and where he can take us is much higher than what DC could have done.

Let's say we do go to bowl games the last two seasons, odds are at least 1 of those is the NM Bowl again, and maybe 1 better.
Don't get me wrong here, I would rather have 2 back to back big dances, even NITs than be playing our 13th game in ABQ every season, I just don't think that as of NOW, Shyatt really deserves it.
We can get on DC for not having the depth to replace Brett. But where is the depth to replace Larry and Luke?
I have good faith that this will NOT screw us over like DC or Schroyer did. I think Shyatt rights this ship and we may even be MWC champs this season if Larry plays.
I just want to re-iterate, as of NOW, I don't see much difference between DC and Shyatts first 3 seasons, but the Shyatt ceiling is much higher, and it involves MWC titles and Big Dance runs.

 

[Wyo2dal]

When Manning was out they lost all those games on purpose to secure #1 draft spot. But I do get what you mean, I think where I see Shyatt being more deserving is he took a team that could barely win and had back to back 20+ win seasons and with Nance it would have been triple with better RPI's for the most part.

DC didn't do the same we were already winning 4-6 games.

Anyway we both have opinions and while neither of us agree I understand where you are coming from. Maybe I just expect more out of the Football team not sure.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Shyatt has three winning seasons. He took a team that was gutted from transfers and players just quitting and back to back last place finishes, 10 win seasons to back to back 20 win seasons. Not only that but he made us instantly competitive against top 25 opponents and we've even beat top 25 programs in his first three years. All that and he did it with a very limited roster, we've had some heavy turnover in transfers, but still manages to get us good recruits. And the main thing, in my opinion, is our recruiting is getting better every year in basketball. Our downfalls under Shyatt have been Luke's incident, which lead us to going 4-12 in conf play in year two. And Nances injury last year. Something Shyatt couldn't control, but what he could control is he kept us competitive even after losing our best player. And going from 4-12 after losing our best player to finishing 9-9 after losing our best player is a difference maker.
With what I've seen under Shyatt and his staff, I think he and his staff are deserving of an increase. I also think the skies the limit for our basketball program. I think all of us would agree that we probably would've finished 3rd or 4th if Nance had stayed healthy and we would've been either NCAA or NIT bound last year.
Our roster is filling up with some really good talent, and we are gaining interest from recruits we would've never even considered in the past. I think this is WYOs last year of being considered the Dark Horse in the conference, and we will start seeing top finishes in the league.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I agree with both, DC deserved some kind of raise, maybe not extension. I think we overdid the raise and extension.
I do however agree with Beaver, I think four games would have been different had Smith finished or played in four games in 2012. Toledo was being stuffed by our D in the 4th quarter and it was the go ahead possession that Smith was knocked out. Toledo was showing late in the game that they couldn't stop Smith. Had Smith stayed healthy, I think we score and beat Toledo. (5-7) Cal Poly, we were not only out Smith, but also our go to WR, Herron and two O Lineman. It caused us to play conservative and predictable, and it showed. 260 yards overall and only 123 passing yards, they new all they had to do was stop our running game, and they did. Had we had Smith and/or Herron. We open up the field and win this game easy. Probably 42-24 instead of 21-24. (6-6) Smith got us back into the game at Nevada and if he had not been ejected early in the 4th I think we win that game 35-21, not lose 28-35. When Smith was ejected you could visibly see all of our players offensive and defensive lose the wind in their sails.(7-5) AFA, we had to go without Smith again. And again played quite conservative in our passing. 23-36-195. We would pass little four and five yard out routes. Had smith played, we probably have almost 300 yards passing and more than likely two more scores. (8-4). All those games were difference makers. And they all have one theme in common. Smith either didn't play or didn't finish the game.
Again, all this is speculation, but each game had the feel that had Smith played or finished the game would've wound up different.

 

[NowherePoke]

To me, the more accurate comparison for Shyatt at UW is Glenn. Like Glenn, Shyatt took over a program at its nadir, and like Glenn, he is well liked off the field/court.

Shyatt has done a little bit better than Glenn (39.6% in MWC play in his first 3 years, vs. 31.8% for Glenn) but in both cases it felt like the team just had some bad luck (although neither drunken brawls nor interceptions are a function of luck) and were/are poised for big things.

Glenn actually had his best team in his 4th year (5-3 MWC) before the wheels fell off. I expect Shyatt to have his best year in his 4th year as well. Hopefully his trajectory does not mirror Glenn's after that.

DC took over a mediocre program, but one that was situated quite a bit better than what Glenn had inherited both off the field and in terms of facilities (IPF, etc.). Whether or not Shyatt succeeds at UW, I think his successor will inherit a better program than he did with a remodeled AA and a culture of accountability.

 

[TSpoke]

I think most people are missing the most obvious point. You need to sign Shyatt to an extension. I forget how long his original contract is for but you don't want your coach sitting with 1 or 2 years left on his contract. Makes it harder to recruit if the coach doesn't have at least 4ish years on his contract. Recruits want to know the coach is going to be around their whole time they are in school. Now, we all know contracts don't mean much cuz they can be bought out etc, but it makes it easier to recruit against a coach if he hasn't been extended with one or two years left on his contract.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I think most people are missing the most obvious point. You need to sign Shyatt to an extension. I forget how long his original contract is for but you don't want your coach sitting with 1 or 2 years left on his contract. Makes it harder to recruit if the coach doesn't have at least 4ish years on his contract. Recruits want to know the coach is going to be around their whole time they are in school. Now, we all know contracts don't mean much cuz they can be bought out etc, but it makes it easier to recruit against a coach if he hasn't been extended with one or two years left on his contract.

Never really looked at it from that side which does make sense, Maybe it's the raise part that I feel Christensen didn't deserve but I just wasn't looking at it properly. Now i'm curious and need to research it myself to see what it was cause I can't remember for the life of me.

 

[TSpoke]

I think most people are missing the most obvious point. You need to sign Shyatt to an extension. I forget how long his original contract is for but you don't want your coach sitting with 1 or 2 years left on his contract. Makes it harder to recruit if the coach doesn't have at least 4ish years on his contract. Recruits want to know the coach is going to be around their whole time they are in school. Now, we all know contracts don't mean much cuz they can be bought out etc, but it makes it easier to recruit against a coach if he hasn't been extended with one or two years left on his contract.

Never really looked at it from that side which does make sense, Maybe it's the raise part that I feel Christensen didn't deserve but I just wasn't looking at it properly. Now i'm curious and need to research it myself to see what it was cause I can't remember for the life of me.

I was referring more to the Shyatt extension(which I beleive he has earned as well). The DC extension was more problomatic due to the raise(which I admit I was for at the time). Shyatts on the other hand I don't think was a huge raise,more gauranteed but overall not much of a raise.

 

[fromolwyoming]

DC, at the time of his contract extension, got us to 8-4 and a 3rd place finish in conference and bowl number 2. Immediatly after, like the New Mexico Bowl, things began going down hill. Temple exposed our every weakness and none of it was ever fixed. Poor o-line play (came to a head against Toledo), predictable play calling, no adjustments throughout any game, and a defense that rarely lived up to being called a defense.

Shyatt is building up the program, with maybe 1-2 transfers (coming in), and despite lack of depth, and really poor 2 years prior to his being here, he got us to 20 win seasons, beating top 25 opponents, being competitive at away games, and even getting ranked top 25 (for a short time, but still). He's proving he's getting us going the right direction. And he's proven in the past he can recruit title contending players.

 

[McPeachy]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

 

[fromolwyoming]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

???
TCU was still in the MWC, their last year actually. Tank Carter knocked Brett out of the game when it looked like he would mount a comeback.

 

[McPeachy]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

???
TCU was still in the MWC, their last year actually. Tank Carter knocked Brett out of the game when it looked like he would mount a comeback.

So 3rd place without Utah & bWHYu? Is that right? So 5th instead of 6th?

And wasn't that the same year that Utah State beat us 63-19, even after we held a 12-0 lead? Sixty fucking three.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

Lol, when you just go on this rant to make DC look like crap, it is just as easy to make Shyatt and what he has done look like crap.

Let star player go and ruin undefeated record and Top 25 ranking by going to the most famous/crummy/recognized bar in the entire state and get a felony charge in a fight? CHECK!
Go to the CBI 3 times and only get two wins? CHECK!
Have 1 season in the MWC with a .500 record? CHECK! (DC had one ABOVE .500!)

It's easy to spin things and justify them the way that fits your agenda isn't it?

 

[McPeachy]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

Lol, when you just go on this rant to make DC look like crap, it is just as easy to make Shyatt and what he has done look like crap.

Let star player go and ruin undefeated record and Top 25 ranking by going to the most famous/crummy/recognized bar in the entire state and get a felony charge in a fight? CHECK!
Go to the CBI 3 times and only get two wins? CHECK!
Have 1 season in the MWC with a .500 record? CHECK! (DC had one ABOVE .500!)

It's easy to spin things and justify them the way that fits your agenda isn't it?

What the fuck are you talking about? What Rant? Jesus Beaver. I think I stated some clear facts...the MWC was a watered down MWC, and DC with his Houston offer played Burman like a fiddle. A rant would have been me stating that DC was the biggest prick to walk the sidelines at UW since Fred Akers (or maybe Dennis Erickson) - both of which were well before your time.

 

[Wyokie]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

Lol, when you just go on this rant to make DC look like crap, it is just as easy to make Shyatt and what he has done look like crap.

Let star player go and ruin undefeated record and Top 25 ranking by going to the most famous/crummy/recognized bar in the entire state and get a felony charge in a fight? CHECK!
Go to the CBI 3 times and only get two wins? CHECK!
Have 1 season in the MWC with a .500 record? CHECK! (DC had one ABOVE .500!)

It's easy to spin things and justify them the way that fits your agenda isn't it?

What the fuck are you talking about? What Rant? Jesus Beaver. I think I stated some clear facts...the MWC was a watered down MWC, and DC with his Houston offer played Burman like a fiddle. A rant would have been me stating that DC was the biggest prick to walk the sidelines at UW since Fred Akers (or maybe Dennis Erickson) - both of which were well before your time.

Peachy, you forgot one prick who coached at UW - Dana Dimel. And he got caught with his pants down at a bar!

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think Burman may have finally got an extension right. 3rd time is a charm. He should still be held personally financially responsible for the Heath extension IMO.

DC finished 3rd in a watered down turd of a conference (no Utah, bWHYu, or TCU). And he played Burman like a fiddle - and got what he wanted.

Lol, when you just go on this rant to make DC look like crap, it is just as easy to make Shyatt and what he has done look like crap.

Let star player go and ruin undefeated record and Top 25 ranking by going to the most famous/crummy/recognized bar in the entire state and get a felony charge in a fight? CHECK!
Go to the CBI 3 times and only get two wins? CHECK!
Have 1 season in the MWC with a .500 record? CHECK! (DC had one ABOVE .500!)

It's easy to spin things and justify them the way that fits your agenda isn't it?

What the fuck are you talking about? What Rant? Jesus Beaver. I think I stated some clear facts...the MWC was a watered down MWC, and DC with his Houston offer played Burman like a fiddle. A rant would have been me stating that DC was the biggest prick to walk the sidelines at UW since Fred Akers (or maybe Dennis Erickson) - both of which were well before your time.

Calm down turbo.
Your post just seemed to be very pro-Shyatt and anti-DC, which I am fine with, but the stats you were showing were very one sided is all. Maybe I read into it too much, no need to get all worked up.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I dunno, it is no more watered down now than it was in 2011. Switch TCU for Fresno...then what do you have? SJSU and Utah State? Everyone else we finished ahead of is still around.

I agree with you Beaver, it is very easy to make anyone look good or bad. I could make a highlight reel of Shawn Bradley to make him look like the greatest player the game has ever seen, and a lowlight reel of Michael Jordan to make him look like a scrub.

 

[McPeachy]

I dunno, it is no more watered down now than it was in 2011. Switch TCU for Fresno...then what do you have? SJSU and Utah State? Everyone else we finished ahead of is still around.

I agree with you Beaver, it is very easy to make anyone look good or bad. I could make a highlight reel of Shawn Bradley to make him look like the greatest player the game has ever seen, and a lowlight reel of Michael Jordan to make him look like a scrub.

I am not spinning anything. DC was an asshole as a person, and a poor head coach.

Are you saying that Burman shouldn't have extended Shyatt, and we should fire Burman for doing so - since none of his extensions have come close to doing anything but costing the university a buttload of cash?

And tell me you really really don't think SJSU and USU are the equivalent of Utah & bWHYu. :shock:

 

[McPeachy]

Calm down turbo.

Do we know eachother? It is spelled Turbot though.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Are you saying that Burman shouldn't have extended Shyatt, and we should fire Burman for doing so - since none of his extensions have come close to doing anything but costing the university a buttload of cash?

That is kind of what I am getting at.
Like I said, I think this one will work out, and it won't screw us over, but then again, I am BeaverPoke, I think we are always going to win, so my opinion on this doesn't really mean jack shit.

I don't think Shyatt deserved an extension yet. Certainly not a 5 year one.
But, I am not mad about it because I think the Shyatt ceiling is higher than any of the other coaches we have had around here for a while, and I think it will pay off.

But yeah on that firing Burman thing....let's do it. Can his ass.