Larry Shyatt to extend his contract

[zappinpoke]

5 yrs $3,600,000. Saw this on the other board. :thumb:
http://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/wyoming-hoops-extends-shyatt-s-contract-through/article_960947cd-3855-540d-bdf2-729f6891a4c2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vorel story.

 

[Aaron]

Good. Finally we reward a coach who has actually improved a team

 

[Hayduke]

Good news, IMHO.

 

[WYCowboy]

Good news, IMHO.

I think so too.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I think it's a good idea as well, but some things that get me concerned are that in 3 seasons since he took over, he is 2-3 in the CBI and below .500 in the MWC.

And yes I know the history of the previous coach and how Shyatt has turned the program around. I just want to be a little cautious about it.

 

[WYCowboy]

I'm not here to make excuses for him, but it seems like the end of the last two seasons we were without our best players - Martinez & Larry Nance.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I'm not here to make excuses for him, but it seems like the end of the last two seasons we were without our best players - Martinez & Larry Nance.

I agree, and I know it takes time to build the program, just a little premature I think.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I agree with you, Beaver. We've been deceived before by thinking a program had turned a corner and they didn't. Recently, no less.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I agree with you, Beaver. We've been deceived before by thinking a program had turned a corner and they didn't. Recently, no less.

I really hope you aren't actually comparing CDC to Shyatt, If you are you need to do some serious research. They definitely jumped the gun on extending CDC's contract which I personally felt was way before he proved anything.

Shyatt has proven quite a bit since he arrived on campus, While he hasn't taken us to the NCAA Tournament yet the last 2 years we have been without one of the top players and a bench that can't support the team. Those aren't directly his fault one of them might have been able to been prevented but the other was just an injury that you can't change.

CDC didn't have an issue where his top player was hurt during MWC play and he still couldn't accomplish shit. There is a huge differences between Extending Shyatt based on what he has done vs Extending CDC. That comparison would be like if we had extended Heath Schroyer contract.

Heath Schroyer ( Fired in his 4th year ) ( 65-109 )

2007–08 record 10–15 (3–9 MWC) RPI - 186
2008–09 record 19–14 (7–9 MWC) RPI - 111
2009–10 record 10–21 (3–13 MWC) RPI - 230
2010–11 record 10–21 (3–13 MWC) RPI - 190

Larry Shyatt ( 106-83 )

2011–12 record 21–12 (6–8 MWC) RPI - 89
2012–13 record 20–14 (4–12 MWC) RPI - 154
2013–14 record 18–15 (9–9 MWC) RPI - 139

 

[BeaverPoke]

Christensen absolutely had to deal with his top player being out, causing us to not go to a bowl game.
2012, if Brett doesn't get hurt against Toledo we likely win that game, we for sure beat AFA, and Cal Poly, and if Brett doesn't get ejected or whatever happened in Reno we win that game, all we needed was a first down.

That makes our 4-8 season, 8-4, or at VERY worst, 6-6, resulting in another bowl game.
Now, if we go to a bowl game in 2012, you think the attitude of the team is different going into 2013, domino effect resulting in one more win, meaning bowl eligibility.

I got sick of how DC pissed down his leg and had awful defenses, but to me, if Brett doesn't get hurt against Toledo, we go to bowl games the last 2 years.
Meaning instead of 2 bowl games in 5 seasons, we hit 4 in 5, DC isn't fired, and Brett is still our QB.

Would 6-6 to 8-4 be our peak with DC? Maybe, but at least that is mediocre.
We don't settle for mediocrity. We strive for it.
Mediocre is better than what we have been. I would be okay with 4 bowls in 5 seasons compared to 3 in the last decade.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I don't for even a minute buy that with Brett in those turn into wins automatically. If that was the case we never would have lost a game with Brett in. Brett carried the team when he could but there were more problems than just Brett being out a few games.

Would we have beat Cal Poly? Yes I think we would have. The rest of the games you named off still could have gone either way, The only game I think we win if Brett isn't ejected is in Reno because we had some momentum. Hell we had a full roster many times and still managed to lose games so for that I completely disagree.

With Larry in the games we lost after he got hurt.

Air Force 53-55, Boise State 63-72, UNLV 67-71 & USU could have gone either way 54-65. The only game that I'm not sure we could have won was against CSU in Moby because they beat our ass 67-82. The Texas A&M game could have been different but I won't say with Larry we win but it wouldn't have been such a blowout.

I know how much Smith meant to the team but we didn't automatically win if he was there.

 

[fromolwyoming]

I don't for even a minute buy that with Brett in those turn into wins automatically. If that was the case we never would have lost a game with Brett in. Brett carried the team when he could but there were more problems than just Brett being out a few games.

Would we have beat Cal Poly? Yes I think we would have. The rest of the games you named off still could have gone either way, The only game I think we win if Brett isn't ejected is in Reno because we had some momentum. Hell we had a full roster many times and still managed to lose games so for that I completely disagree.

With Larry in the games we lost after he got hurt.

Air Force 53-55, Boise State 63-72, UNLV 67-71 & USU could have gone either way 54-65. The only game that I'm not sure we could have won was against CSU in Moby because they beat our ass 67-82. The Texas A&M game could have been different but I won't say with Larry we win but it wouldn't have been such a blowout.

I know how much Smith meant to the team but we didn't automatically win if he was there.

The sheep game was our first game without Larry, and it showed.

 

[Wyo2dal]

More than anything I think Larry has proven and accomplished more than DC did in the same amount of time and deserves his contract extension. I always felt like we jumped the gun on DC's contract and there was no real threat to losing him.

Not that there will be a threat to lose Shyatt but I do believe he is worth the extension. In 5 years if I'm completely wrong I give you permission to rub my nose in this post!

 

[WYCowboy]

More than anything I think Larry has proven and accomplished more than DC did in the same amount of time and deserves his contract extension. I always felt like we jumped the gun on DC's contract and there was no real threat to losing him.

Not that there will be a threat to lose Shyatt but I do believe he is worth the extension. In 5 years if I'm completely wrong I give you permission to rub my nose in this post!

I'm with you Wyo2dal!

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

More than anything I think Larry has proven and accomplished more than DC did in the same amount of time and deserves his contract extension. I always felt like we jumped the gun on DC's contract and there was no real threat to losing him.

Not that there will be a threat to lose Shyatt but I do believe he is worth the extension. In 5 years if I'm completely wrong I give you permission to rub my nose in this post!

Do I have permission to rub your nose in this one then?

http://www.wyonation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5887

Took me 5 seconds to find posts from you just prior to CDC's extension saying he was a good coach and that you hoped we kept him for a while before a bigger school poached him.

At that point we went to 2 bowls in 3 years and just finished 3rd in the conference.

Don't pretend you were against CDC's extension and be condescending towards me for being hesitant about this one. You were duped by CDC like the rest of us but worst of all, you forgot all about it.

 

[Wyo2dal]

More than anything I think Larry has proven and accomplished more than DC did in the same amount of time and deserves his contract extension. I always felt like we jumped the gun on DC's contract and there was no real threat to losing him.

Not that there will be a threat to lose Shyatt but I do believe he is worth the extension. In 5 years if I'm completely wrong I give you permission to rub my nose in this post!

Do I have permission to rub your nose in this one then?

http://www.wyonation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5887

Took me 5 seconds to find posts from you just prior to CDC's extension saying he was a good coach and that you hoped we kept him for a while before a bigger school poached him.

At that point we went to 2 bowls in 3 years and just finished 3rd in the conference.

Don't pretend you were against CDC's extension and be condescending towards me for being hesitant about this one. You were duped by CDC like the rest of us but worst of all, you forgot all about it.

First off I have no idea how you are determining condescending on some forums because that baffles me and secondly nowhere in any of my posts did I say " He deserves an extension " I said he was a good coach with great potential. After some time I took that back and said he is a great Offensive Coordinator and I still think he is a better OC than HC.

I never said we didn't get duped by him but I also never thought the extension was warranted either. I did say he would be worth three times as much in a bigger school but I was wrong there because I don't think he will coach again for some time.

If you can find a post where I say " I'm glad we gave CDC a contract extension then you can rub my nose in it all you want. But you won't find that post and here is why!

We will see improvements in the first year you can already tell the S&C is changing, I don't expect a complete 180 but we'll see changes. I also expect slow 1-2+ wins per year as time increases. Where CDC basically had one great year from seniors and then a bunch of mediocre years.

2009 I don't even consider as part of CDC's record sure he was the coach but our seniors carried that team not the coaching.

2009 7-6
2010 3-9
2011 8-5
2012 4-8
2013 5-7

Now IMO the AD jumped the gun on the immediate contract extension and raise for CDC because he didn't really deserve it. That being said I expect Bohl to turn this team around and I don't expect us to have a MWC title but I do expect for the first year that we will look improved on the numbers if not on the W:L ratio.

I hope to see some .500 finishes during the first 2 years but won't be to bent out of shape if we don't see them but I expect serious change in the 3rd year as it is the put up or shut-up year.

Football is going to be like Basketball was 3 years ago when we were the laughing stock of well everyone. It's going to be a hard time to endure but so be it.

I think coach takes this more seriously than we give him credit for.

He hears footsteps from the mob and he wants to keep his $1.25M...

You know what kills me is Boise pays their coach 1.7 Million when clearly he is worth 5 million+, We pay DC 1.2 million, fuck Fresno pays their coach 700k.......

We should be paying DC 700k and using the other 500k to hire a fucking defensive coordinator.

He doesn't deserve 1.25, He hasn't proven to deserve it since he got here. I was mad when they gave him a large contract extension before he proved shit.

Anyway I never said I was perfect and I'm not claiming to be but I was never happy about the extension an felt like it was too early.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

nowhere in any of my posts did I say " He deserves an extension " I said he was a good coach with great potential. After some time I took that back and said he is a great Offensive Coordinator and I still think he is a better OC than HC.

I never said we didn't get duped by him but I also never thought the extension was warranted either. I did say he would be worth three times as much in a bigger school but I was wrong there because I don't think he will coach again for some time.

If you can find a post where I say " I'm glad we gave CDC a contract extension then you can rub my nose in it all you want. But you won't find that post and here is why!

You're a good spin doctor! You didn't say "he deserves an extension", you said "I hope we keep him around for a while" ----- What's the difference? How do you keep someone around for a while without extending their contract?

First off I have no idea how you are determining condescending on some forums because that baffles me

I really hope you aren't actually comparing CDC to Shyatt, If you are you need to do some serious research.

Haha, is there any other way to read this besides condescending? It reads like a snobby 15 yr old girl wrote it.

The comparison isn't an absurd one. CDC finished 3rd in the MWC that year. Shyatt's best finish is 6th. Yes, injuries have affected it, and that may very well justify Shyatt's extension. But please don't act like it's ridiculous to be cautious, spare me.

Disagreeing on something is one thing, invalidating someone's opinion is bullshit. If you're not perfect, don't act like it and I'll try not to let stupid shit like that bug me as much as it does.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Haha, is there any other way to read this besides condescending? It reads like a snobby 15 yr old girl wrote it.

The comparison isn't an absurd one. CDC finished 3rd in the MWC that year. Shyatt's best finish is 6th. Yes, injuries have affected it, and that may very well justify Shyatt's extension. But please don't act like it's ridiculous to be cautious, spare me.

Disagreeing on something is one thing, invalidating someone's opinion is bullshit. If you're not perfect, don't act like it and I'll try not to let stupid shit like that bug me as much as it does.

You're right I'm wrong /thread

 

[BeaverPoke]

Wyo2Dal...
Wyoming lost to AFA by 1 point with Jason Thompson starting.
You really don't think we score more points with Brett starting?
The Cal Poly game we lost with Kirkgaard starting. We don't score another TD and win that game?

Bull.
That puts that 2012 team to 6 wins.
The Toledo and Nevada games are the only ones up for grabs.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Wyo2Dal...
Wyoming lost to AFA by 1 point with Jason Thompson starting.
You really don't think we score more points with Brett starting?
The Cal Poly game we lost with Kirkgaard starting. We don't score another TD and win that game?

Bull.
That puts that 2012 team to 6 wins.
The Toledo and Nevada games are the only ones up for grabs.

Look we got the shit kicked out of us by a number of teams with Brett so having him doesn't say we automatically win and you can't convince me of that no matter hard how you try.

I feel like Shyatt is more deserving for what he has proven and how has started turning the program around. I don't feel like DC deserved an extension and the comparison between DC and Shyatt in my opinion isn't a good comparison. No matter what stats you throw at me it's not going to change my mind and we didn't automatically beat anyone because Brett was there.

Does one person make an impact absolutely I agree 100% but the leader of a Basketball team where only 5 guys are on the court and present is completely different for Football where there are 22 guys and no one plays both offense and defense.

Now if we lost a game because we didn't have Ruffran/Miller & Yarbrough/Huff I would consider that closer to how impactful Nance is on the court. I won't say one person can't win a Football game because we saw Brett do a shitload as just one person.

What one person in Football can't do is contribute to both defense and offense like in Basketball.

No amount of statistical data is going to make me think comparing Larry Shyatt to Dave Christensen is an equal comparison.