Kicking an unconscious guy in the head?

[LawPoke]

I hope that Luke never sees the inside of the AA again - even from the seats. He should not be allowed on the bench. Frankly, if I had my way, he would not be allowed to wear brown and gold again. That is not our way.

For my part, I am doubling down on the rest of the Pokes. I bought tickets for Saturday's game and also, for the first time ever, bought tickets to Vegas and the Tourney. They need our support and they need our butts in the seats. If the 5th man wants to be selfish and hurt the team, they need the 6th man to help. We need to be there to do as much as we can to cover for the selfish jerk(s) that put their stupidity and recklessness above the team and the state.

 

[BeaverPoke]

The kid made a mistake. And believe it or not I'm sure he wants the team to win even more than you do.
You starting a brand new thread to bitch about it won't help, especially when there is already one for that.

If you want the team to stay intact why are you putting out the vibe and thoughts that Luke never needs to be in the AA again so he needs to be totally isolated from his teammates and friends? Just because you are angry just like EVERYONE else doesn't mean you gotta single the kid out and make him feel like a piece of shit.

 

[TheCup]

I would have thought that with a handle like "LawPoke" you would have an appreciation for antiquated notions like due process.

What do we know? Luke has a broken hand. Two witnesses, one of whom may be the victim's brother, say Luke kicked the guy in the head. Who are these witnesses? What was their role in the fight?

I'm not saying Luke isn't a dumb fuck who should have never been in the situation in the first place. But goddamn, let's let him give his side of the story before we try, convict and expel him.

And let's also remember Luke's trip to the reservation last summer to try to talk to kids up there and his role in getting that exhibition game scheduled in Ethete.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

I would have thought that with a handle like "LawPoke" you would have an appreciation for antiquated notions like due process.

What do we know? Luke has a broken hand. Two witnesses, one of whom may be the victim's brother, say Luke kicked the guy in the head. Who are these witnesses? What was their role in the fight?

I'm not saying Luke isn't a dumb fuck who should have never been in the situation in the first place. But goddamn, let's let him give his side of the story before we try, convict and expel him.

And let's also remember Luke's trip to the reservation last summer to try to talk to kids up there and his role in getting that exhibition game scheduled in Ethete.

We also have his own admission of having stomped an unconscious guy in the head. Pretty sure that's enough. Kudos to him for admitting it eventually.

 

[McPeachy]

I would have thought that with a handle like "LawPoke" you would have an appreciation for antiquated notions like due process.

What do we know? Luke has a broken hand. Two witnesses, one of whom may be the victim's brother, say Luke kicked the guy in the head. Who are these witnesses? What was their role in the fight?

I'm not saying Luke isn't a dumb fuck who should have never been in the situation in the first place. But goddamn, let's let him give his side of the story before we try, convict and expel him.

And let's also remember Luke's trip to the reservation last summer to try to talk to kids up there and his role in getting that exhibition game scheduled in Ethete.

Damn us UW fans sure defend our athletes! Thick & thin! But........

Cup...it wasn't a witness (alone) that said Luke kicked the unconscious guy in the head after a running start. It was Luke himself, in court this morning. Think if that unconscious dude was your kid. Or your brother. Hopefully your sentiments would change.

 

[J-Rod]

Well, forget basketball......its now an uphill climb to not end up in prison for awhile. I hope for the best for Luke, but damn......there are fewer forms of fighting that are lower than that.

 

[zappinpoke]

I would have thought that with a handle like "LawPoke" you would have an appreciation for antiquated notions like due process.

What do we know? Luke has a broken hand. Two witnesses, one of whom may be the victim's brother, say Luke kicked the guy in the head. Who are these witnesses? What was their role in the fight?

I'm not saying Luke isn't a dumb fuck who should have never been in the situation in the first place. But goddamn, let's let him give his side of the story before we try, convict and expel him.

And let's also remember Luke's trip to the reservation last summer to try to talk to kids up there and his role in getting that exhibition game scheduled in Ethete.

http://trib.com/luke-martinez-affidavit/pdf_e0670ae4-f96f-58a4-815e-5fd38899ea23.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It was more than 2 witnesses. Read for yourself.

 

[LawPoke]

The dude apparently kicked a guy that was totally defenseless and unconscious...in the head...and he apparently kicked him so hard that the victim's jaw was broken and had to be wired shut...and he apparently kicked him after he had 15 to 20 seconds to think about whether he should or not...and apparently, the witness testimony and other evidence was sufficient to justify FELONY charges being brought by the County Attorney. I don't want my state, University or athletics program represented by such an individual in any way.

As for legal due process - I am all for it. He has the right to try and get the confession thrown out and do other things to change the ultimate disposition of the case, and undoubtedly his lawyer will attempt to do those things for him. He should be afforded every right to proper criminal procedure - and should fully exercise those rights. He should be allowed to face his accuser and any other witnesses that testify in the case and cross examine them.

But legal due process does not apply to the court of public opinion or the perception of my state, University or Shyatt and his team. I don't want any of those things or people tarnished. Action in that regard needs to be swift and direct. Again, only my opinion, with which you are entitled to disagree.

And I applaud what he did in terms of the game in Ethete. It was selfless and thoughtful. The antithesis of what is alleged in the case at hand. He was and should be congratulated for it. But for me, it does not change much in terms of the case at hand and how the issue should be dealt with.

And I started the thread not realizing that it was covered in another - sorry for the breach of posting etiquette. I was not trying to pile on. I was simply upset by the press report and submitted a new thread without reading the other.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Cup...it wasn't a witness (alone) that said Luke kicked the unconscious guy in the head after a running start. It was Luke himself, in court this morning.

False.

 

[LawPoke]

Oredigger is correct on this point. It was asserted in the sworn affidavit of the officer - based on the apparent confession of Luke and other witness testimony.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

The witnesses are EMPLOYEES of the Buckhorn and will likely be considered neutral witnesses, not good for Martinez.

 

[McPeachy]

Cup...it wasn't a witness (alone) that said Luke kicked the unconscious guy in the head after a running start. It was Luke himself, in court this morning.

False.

Really?

"Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred
Martinez told police he had possibly "stepped" on victim's head. Later said he had possibly "stomped" victim's head. #gowyo"

"Ben Fred:
Martinez admitted he kicked the victim in the head/face when he was on the ground while victim couldnt defend himself"

"Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred
Affidavit says Martinez did verbally admit that he caused serious bodily injury to victim knowingly or recklessly #gowyo"

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Cup...it wasn't a witness (alone) that said Luke kicked the unconscious guy in the head after a running start. It was Luke himself, in court this morning.

False.

Really?

"Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred
Martinez told police he had possibly "stepped" on victim's head. Later said he had possibly "stomped" victim's head. #gowyo"

"Ben Fred:
Martinez admitted he kicked the victim in the head/face when he was on the ground while victim couldnt defend himself"

"Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred
Affidavit says Martinez did verbally admit that he caused serious bodily injury to victim knowingly or recklessly #gowyo"

Yes, REALLY! What an officer says in an Affidavit to a court in justification of a charge is in NO WAY an actual IN COURT admission by Luke Martinez.

 

[stymeman]

never understood where fighting gets anyone anywhere, guess when MMA and UFC gets shown on TV, sometimes kids act on those, not saying he did, my point is why did he get himself into that position anyway. We've all been at bars until closing time, what good comes out of it at that hour of the morning on a cold morning? I am still shaking my head wondering why this happened, and how come they were given so much free time, I always thought there was a team code to not be allowed to be there at closing time? guess that'll change, sad ordeal, hope we can rally around it and salvage a so far wonderful season

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Cup...it wasn't a witness (alone) that said Luke kicked the unconscious guy in the head after a running start. It was Luke himself, in court this morning.

False.

Really?

"Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred
Martinez told police he had possibly "stepped" on victim's head. Later said he had possibly "stomped" victim's head. #gowyo"

"Ben Fred:
Martinez admitted he kicked the victim in the head/face when he was on the ground while victim couldnt defend himself"

"Ben Frederickson ‏@Ben_Fred
Affidavit says Martinez did verbally admit that he caused serious bodily injury to victim knowingly or recklessly #gowyo"

Yes, REALLY! What an officer says in an Affidavit to a court in justification of a charge is in NO WAY an actual IN COURT admission by Luke Martinez.

Multiple people witness to a kick to the head, police officers who interview say he admitted to them he kicked in the head. I agree, due process, but it seems pretty clear cut to me. Luke's word is not going to beat the police and witnesses.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Multiple people witness to a kick to the head, police officers who interview say he admitted to them he kicked in the head. I agree, due process, but it seems pretty clear cut to me. Luke's word is not going to beat the police and witnesses.

Not to mention, there's apparently a guy with serious injuries from being kicked in the head.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I'm not defending Luke in any way. I was just pointing out the FALSE statement made that Luke made an in court admission. Today's hearing was to establish that there was sufficient evidence for the case to proceed to District Court and to set bail. The sufficient evidence is the officer's Affidavit.

 

[McPeachy]

I'm not defending Luke in any way. I was just pointing out the FALSE statement made that Luke made an in court admission. Today's hearing was to establish that there was sufficient evidence for the case to proceed to District Court and to set bail. The sufficient evidence is the officer's Affidavit.

OK...

I read it, and took it, from Ben Frederickson, that he MADE those statements in COURT. I wasn't there, and am certainly not a cocksucking lawyer. Bottom line, the POS made the statement(s) somewhere(s) to someone(s).

 

[Wyovanian]

The kid made a mistake. And believe it or not I'm sure he wants the team to win even more than you do.
You starting a brand new thread to bitch about it won't help, especially when there is already one for that.

If you want the team to stay intact why are you putting out the vibe and thoughts that Luke never needs to be in the AA again so he needs to be totally isolated from his teammates and friends? Just because you are angry just like EVERYONE else doesn't mean you gotta single the kid out and make him feel like a piece of shit.

Locking your keys in the car is making a mistake. Putting the milk in the freezer and the ice cream in the refrigerator is making a mistake. Calling someone name Ed, "Ted" is a mistake. Considering an assault on an unconscious person for 15-20 seconds, then taking a fifteen foot running start and soccer-kicking him in the head hard enough to fracture his mandible is hardly a "mistake".

Your threshold for personal responsibility seems pretty low. I'd say Martinez did a pretty good job of singling himself out...

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Ok so he punted the dudes face, what I want to know is how did he break his hand if DC punched the dude...