Kicking an unconscious guy in the head?

[Wyo2dal]

Did we really need a 3rd thread for the same thing? /headpalm

 

[laxwyo]

I want to know if the "Victim" tried to blindside luke or cheap shot him. I imagine the broken jaw is from cookes huge fist that knocked him out. If this "victim" attacked luke, fuck him! I know it might not make a diff in the eyes of the law but it does to me. I don't condone kicking a man when they are down but if they were the attacker, I feel slightly different.

 

[wyoming fishing]

I am sure laxwyo will find any excuse for what luke did! I think maybe laxwyo should call tom burman up on his cell phone since we all know that, you have his number! ask him why, there is all this off the court problems under his watch! I am sure he will tell, you how cool of a guy he is!

 

[BeaverPoke]

I am sure laxwyo will find any excuse for what luke did! I think maybe laxwyo should call tom burman up on his cell phone since we all know that, you have his number! ask him why, there is all this off the court problems under his watch! I am sure he will tell, you how cool of a guy he is!

Wow talk about total douchebag.
How did I know that of course the only thing you have to say refers to Tom Burman and some problems with the team.

You sir are the biggest douchebag in the world.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I am sure laxwyo will find any excuse for what luke did! I think maybe laxwyo should call tom burman up on his cell phone since we all know that, you have his number! ask him why, there is all this off the court problems under his watch! I am sure he will tell, you how cool of a guy he is!

Shocker alert!! "wyoming fishing" tries to tie something completed unrelated to Tom Burman

Wyoming Fishing still yet to make a post on this forum not about Tom Burman

 

[wyoming fishing]

I know people like orediggerpoke cant take it! dont blame me! because Tom Burman is a (POS)

 

[fromolwyoming]

I want to know if the "Victim" tried to blindside luke or cheap shot him. I imagine the broken jaw is from cookes huge fist that knocked him out. If this "victim" attacked luke, fuck him! I know it might not make a diff in the eyes of the law but it does to me. I don't condone kicking a man when they are down but if they were the attacker, I feel slightly different.

I've known a few people that I wouldn't mind seeing get a swift kick in the head, by me or somone else.

But the affadavit doesn't say what happened to Luke's hand. That kind of stands out to me. As does Cooke punching the guy that took a swing at Martinez. Makes me think that the guy who got his head kicked in may have started it.

Cooke, Martinez, and Sobey go to the Buckhorn for a few drinks.

Some guy comes up and takes a swing at Martinez.

Cooke was defending Martinez, and sounds like he only threw the one punch after the guy took a swing at Luke.

Martinez kicks the guy's face in.

Police come in.


Somewhere in there, Luke's hand was broken and the guy decides to take a swing at Luke.

We really don't know much about it.

 

[Dutchnation]

Well, forget basketball......its now an uphill climb to not end up in prison for awhile. I hope for the best for Luke, but damn......there are fewer forms of fighting that are lower than that.

+1

 

[Dutchnation]

The kid made a mistake. And believe it or not I'm sure he wants the team to win even more than you do.
You starting a brand new thread to bitch about it won't help, especially when there is already one for that.

If you want the team to stay intact why are you putting out the vibe and thoughts that Luke never needs to be in the AA again so he needs to be totally isolated from his teammates and friends? Just because you are angry just like EVERYONE else doesn't mean you gotta single the kid out and make him feel like a piece of shit.

Locking your keys in the car is making a mistake. Putting the milk in the freezer and the ice cream in the refrigerator is making a mistake. Calling someone name Ed, "Ted" is a mistake. Considering an assault on an unconscious person for 15-20 seconds, then taking a fifteen foot running start and soccer-kicking him in the head hard enough to fracture his mandible is hardly a "mistake".

Your threshold for personal responsibility seems pretty low. I'd say Martinez did a pretty good job of singling himself out...

+2

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

The kid made a mistake. And believe it or not I'm sure he wants the team to win even more than you do.
You starting a brand new thread to bitch about it won't help, especially when there is already one for that.

If you want the team to stay intact why are you putting out the vibe and thoughts that Luke never needs to be in the AA again so he needs to be totally isolated from his teammates and friends? Just because you are angry just like EVERYONE else doesn't mean you gotta single the kid out and make him feel like a piece of shit.

Locking your keys in the car is making a mistake. Putting the milk in the freezer and the ice cream in the refrigerator is making a mistake. Calling someone name Ed, "Ted" is a mistake. Considering an assault on an unconscious person for 15-20 seconds, then taking a fifteen foot running start and soccer-kicking him in the head hard enough to fracture his mandible is hardly a "mistake".

Your threshold for personal responsibility seems pretty low. I'd say Martinez did a pretty good job of singling himself out...

+2

+3. If the "victim" started it and ended up unconscious with one punch, he got what he deserved. Anything after that is malicious, not self defense. A man asleep in the middle of the road is not going to hurt you.

(P.S. Can we be real here for a second? Many D-1 athletes are stand up individuals, with the right intentions always in mind but I also think it's safe to say that many D-1 athletes, especially in basketball and football, tend to be extremely arrogant and "douchebaggesque" in their personal lives. It's not a given that Luke was casually having a beer and was cold clocked without warning or without provocation.)

 

[Subcanis]

I know people like orediggerpoke cant take it! dont blame me! because Tom Burman is a (POS)

You're obsession with Burman is not healthy. I suggest you seek professional help.

 

[laxwyo]

I am sure laxwyo will find any excuse for what luke did! I think maybe laxwyo should call tom burman up on his cell phone since we all know that, you have his number! ask him why, there is all this off the court problems under his watch! I am sure he will tell, you how cool of a guy he is!

You don't know what the fuck happened! I read one account that luke might have been cold cocked during a scrum, and if its the case, how would that be different? Hitting a man that's engaged with someone else is no different than what Luke did! And with a the adrenaline of a fight, you can't control a your emotions. Basically everyone should just wait until everyhting comes out.

 

[bladerunnr]

I am sure laxwyo will find any excuse for what luke did! I think maybe laxwyo should call tom burman up on his cell phone since we all know that, you have his number! ask him why, there is all this off the court problems under his watch! I am sure he will tell, you how cool of a guy he is!

You don't know what the fuck happened! I read one account that luke might have been cold cocked during a scrum, and if its the case, how would that be different? Hitting a man that's engaged with someone else is no different than what Luke did! And with a the adrenaline of a fight, you can't control a your emotions. Basically everyone should just wait until everyhting comes out.

That's dead wrong. We do know what happened according to witnesses. And hitting someone who's fighting is completely different than kicking a defenseless unconscious person in the head. If you don't know the difference, I'm guessing you've been kicked in the head on several occasions, because you make no sense.

 

[laxwyo]

I am sure laxwyo will find any excuse for what luke did! I think maybe laxwyo should call tom burman up on his cell phone since we all know that, you have his number! ask him why, there is all this off the court problems under his watch! I am sure he will tell, you how cool of a guy he is!

You don't know what the fuck happened! I read one account that luke might have been cold cocked during a scrum, and if its the case, how would that be different? Hitting a man that's engaged with someone else is no different than what Luke did! And with a the adrenaline of a fight, you can't control a your emotions. Basically everyone should just wait until everyhting comes out.

That's dead wrong. We do know what happened according to witnesses. And hitting someone who's fighting is completely different than kicking a defenseless unconscious person in the head. If you don't know the difference, I'm guessing you've been kicked in the head on several occasions, because you make no sense.

Were you there? Don't think so. We do not know, so quit acting like you do. And I'm sure the standup police officers of Laramie are quite the gumshoes, so no need to worry about their police work. And I'm sure that every eyewitness is completely credible, ie the buckhorn employees could have been friends with victim? And I'm sure that every witness had to have seen the whole episode especially considering how calm the situation must have been.

 

[laxwyo]

I guess all I'm saying is that I might feel different depending on the true circumstances. I read one place the guy might have hit Luke and not just thrown a punch. If it was while luke wasnt looking or while Luke was fighting someone else, I'd want to cheap shot the guy back. Being sober and not in the midst of a fight, I'd say I wouldn't have kicked the guy either way. Thinking back to some of the things I've done while pissed off and drunk, I can't say that I wouldn't have done it. Adrenaline and booze don't mix.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I guess all I'm saying is that I might feel different depending on the true circumstances. I read one place the guy might have hit Luke and not just thrown a punch. If it was while luke wasnt looking or while Luke was fighting someone else, I'd want to cheap shot the guy back. Being sober and not in the midst of a fight, I'd say I wouldn't have kicked the guy either way. Thinking back to some of the things I've done while pissed off and drunk, I can't say that I wouldn't have done it. Adrenaline and booze don't mix.

I would expect you to be prosecuted in the exact same way. Booze doesn't excuse you to be an idiot.

 

[WyoBrandX]

I still haven't heard the whole story. I'm sure we won't know what happened until the trial is over. Not saying its ok to kick an unconscious guy in the head but if the circumstances are right it could be justified.

We won't know for a while and its all assumptions and speculation at this time. Innocent until proven guilty

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I still haven't heard the whole story. I'm sure we won't know what happened until the trial is over. Not saying its ok to kick an unconscious guy in the head but if the circumstances are right it could be justified.

We won't know for a while and its all assumptions and speculation at this time. Innocent until proven guilty

I agree innocent until proven guilty, but in the eyes of the law doing anything to anyone who is unconscious is never justified. The way the law works, the dude could have pulled a gun on him but once he's unconscious, the threat's been eliminated and any self-defense justification you had is now gone.

 

[laxwyo]

I still haven't heard the whole story. I'm sure we won't know what happened until the trial is over. Not saying its ok to kick an unconscious guy in the head but if the circumstances are right it could be justified.

We won't know for a while and its all assumptions and speculation at this time. Innocent until proven guilty

I agree innocent until proven guilty, but in the eyes of the law doing anything to anyone who is unconscious is never justified. The way the law works, the dude could have pulled a gun on him but once he's unconscious, the threat's been eliminated and any self-defense justification you had is now gone.

Ate u sure? What about the father that beat that man to death he found assaulting his daughter? I'm sure at some point the guy was unconscious. What the law says is completely different than what a jury can and will convict for.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Overall we won't know anything until the information comes after a hearing, There can be extenuating circumstances and they happen all the time we just won't know what the circumstances are for this case. My only problem is all the people so called Wyo fans that have crucified Martinez as being some street thug before the first hearing was even released to public.

His Coach is standing by him I don't see why the fans are so quick to judge him.