Very well could be the case. Further, this says an awful lot about they eye for talent from the current staff...eh...head coach. Travesty.
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Very well could be the case. Further, this says an awful lot about they eye for talent from the current staff...eh...head coach. Travesty.
OrediggerPoke
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It started with Sawvel announcing last year following the season at a press conference that he needed $1 million to go get a quarterback...
Gee...wonder what it would have cost to keep Kaden Anderson and actually coach him to his potential (which appears significantly higher throwing the ball than Hughes).
This disproportionate NIL crap absolutely does cause issues on a team. How many of Wyoming OL (making peanuts compared to Hughes) probably look at Hughes as an overpaid professional athlete versus a normal college teammate who they would defend at all costs?
LanderPoke
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Same. I’d like to see officially it’s that amount. I was thinking he’d be getting like 1/4 that amount
Still a rip-off
OrediggerPoke
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I haven’t seen too many companies that reward ‘high performers’ with a salary 50 to 100 times greater than their co-workers.
PorkerPoke
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I remember the comment by Sawful he needed some serious cash to be a player in the portal. I was left with the impression that Wyoming would be pursuing the best of the what was left or moving in on players no one else was considering in hopes that maybe a few surprises turned out to be a good deal. Most were head scratchers and it never felt like we were seeing anything that was an excitement builder.
As for Anderson, he needed an improved OL and a couple more speedy WR’s along with a playbook (OC) with plays difficult to defend.
We got the new OC. Haven’t seen anything so far that says this move is paying dividends.
The OL appears to have digressed. They certainly don’t push the defense around. The rush game doesn’t exactly create fear. Of course the pass doesn’t keep defenses off the line. It’s like the defenses can taunt Wyoming with a dare to try for the big play knowing they will rarely - if ever - get burned.
Our WR’s for the most part don’t get much separation and still run routes (too slow?) that don’t exactly create confusion for the safeties on who to cover since man coverage usually is very effective at limiting our open pass plays. When our WR’s do get open the QB is usually under duress because the opponent rarely gets burned for putting 7-8 in the box.
As for the OL - we should focus on being good where the attack starts. Josh Allen would be frustrated with this offense. It’s reminiscent of the 2017 team. Josh would make this offense look good just like he carried the 2017 team. Likewise an improved OL would make Hughes look better.
There is no choice at the present but to accept the leadership and it’s clearly Sawful.
Take a look at executive compensation v. average employee compensation for most large companies. There is generally a significant disparity.
HiCountryCowboy
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A change in spending philosophy needs to be made. 100% of the NIL pot needs to be spent on excellent OL, DL, (1) CB in that order. Seems like it’s always spent disproportionately on flash players (even at the big boys). Make it know that UW primarily invests in big men and you would see pretty quick success and probably raise some eyebrows nationally (especially among G6).
I seem to be in the minority when it comes to this, but I do not think the O-line has been that bad. In fact, I would go as far as to say they have been one of the stronger position groups on the offensive side of the ball.
They have been a pleasant surprise as far as I am concerned. I was not expecting good things out of them, but they have performed better than I was anticipating. Run blocking has been good given that defenses have been stacking the box against us. Pass blocking has been average but they have been facing a lot of blitzes. A decent amount of the sacks have been on Hughes and the WR group.
There is a lot of things that I've been very unhappy about this season. O-line play is not one of them.
LanderPoke
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Agree. Not the worst part of the team.
THis would be interesting!
I think our typical intuitions about compensation tables for the vast majority of the economy don't do us much favors here. College football player compensation will look much more like a pro sports leage. In the NFL, per a quick search, The highest paid players get roughly 70 times the minimum. The amount of players at the min varies some but it's usually 35 to 40 percent of the players.
One other thing that plays into this...now that college football players are an economy unto themselves from a compensation standpoint, you see "slots" or "bands" of compensation for different postions. At the top end...the QB position at an FBS school commands a certain dollar amount. This is even true for the bottom half of the performance spectrum. Since that is a highly valued position, the top guys drag the bottom up significantly.
Now...you could run the experiment of flattening the NIL payout structure and just say, everybody gets the same. What would happen then? I really don't think you would see much of a change in talent. At QB and WR, we already seem to be getting the bottom of the barrell...would they get worse? What about offensive lineman? Maybe they get somewhat better...The problem is that there are fare more "good" lineman than there are QB's or WR. With decent coaching, an average line can still perform just fine...they are not asked, in general, to be a one of one physical speciman. They just have to not committ penalties and be big. Of course there are outliers ... but you just need so many more O-lineman and not all of them are going to be great.
Ultimately, I don't know how you get significantly better unless you play the game...you have to pay these guys (QB's, D-line, WR).
East Tennessee Cowboy
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this is a rhetorical question lol. of course winning will make more money flow in. people aren't going to feel encouraged to give money to a shit product
DamThatRiver22
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Bit late to this, but...
Hughes seems to have a good natural raw skillset and be pretty well rounded. The problem is he makes a lot of really dumb decisions.
Having said that, a lot of his mistakes remind me of Josh Allen's worst games, especially in 2017...where he was absolutely pressing and trying to play hero ball. Difference is that Josh was a generational talent who could occasionally come up with a highlight reel play in the middle of his boneheaded interceptions or fumbles. Hughes, on the other hand, doesn't quite have the ability to get away with some of the shit Josh pulled.
But we need to not miss the forest for the trees here and realize the entire thing is a dumpster fire. We've all watched beautiful, on-target long throws be flat out dropped by receivers. At least two of his INTs were catchable balls that were tipped by receivers into defenders' hands. Etc.
He's got no WR support, he's got no time thanks to the dogshit OL, and he's got a mediocre run game to rely on. He's also got an OC/QBC directing him who is underperforming, and we all know the issues with the HC. On top of that, the defense isn't doing his squad any favors and puts more pressure on him. Throwing him under the bus is....disingenuous.
We've seen this time and again since JA17. Talented (or at minimum, serviceable) QB struggles due to a variety of systemic issues. We screech for them to be benched. New QB comes in and lights it up for a couple games because no one has any tape on them (among other things), and then it's back to the same dumb shit.
Not saying Hughes doesn't have any issues because he certainly does, but I highly doubt putting in Simms or Drube is gonna make a difference for more than a couple games. Continuing the QB carousel of the last near-10 years isn't gonna do anything.
Hughes seems to have a good natural raw skillset and be pretty well rounded. The problem is he makes a lot of really dumb decisions.
Having said that, a lot of his mistakes remind me of Josh Allen's worst games, especially in 2017...where he was absolutely pressing and trying to play hero ball. Difference is that Josh was a generational talent who could occasionally come up with a highlight reel play in the middle of his boneheaded interceptions or fumbles. Hughes, on the other hand, doesn't quite have the ability to get away with some of the shit Josh pulled.
But we need to not miss the forest for the trees here and realize the entire thing is a dumpster fire. We've all watched beautiful, on-target long throws be flat out dropped by receivers. At least two of his INTs were catchable balls that were tipped by receivers into defenders' hands. Etc.
He's got no WR support, he's got no time thanks to the dogshit OL, and he's got a mediocre run game to rely on. He's also got an OC/QBC directing him who is underperforming, and we all know the issues with the HC. On top of that, the defense isn't doing his squad any favors and puts more pressure on him. Throwing him under the bus is....disingenuous.
We've seen this time and again since JA17. Talented (or at minimum, serviceable) QB struggles due to a variety of systemic issues. We screech for them to be benched. New QB comes in and lights it up for a couple games because no one has any tape on them (among other things), and then it's back to the same dumb shit.
Not saying Hughes doesn't have any issues because he certainly does, but I highly doubt putting in Simms or Drube is gonna make a difference for more than a couple games. Continuing the QB carousel of the last near-10 years isn't gonna do anything.
