Hot Potato Bowl

[OrediggerPoke]

If Josh doesn't play, feels like this game might be Smith's last audition at QB. If he struggles to move the offense, Bohl might favor Vander Waal come fall.

Smith will not be the starting QB for the Pokes next year. There is very little question as to that.

 

[Adv8RU12]

...this game might be Smith's last audition at QB. If he struggles to move the offense, Bohl might favor Vander Waal come fall.

And Vigen? Doesn't Vigen have a (huge) part in the struggling offense? How do you like the sound of "Bohl might favor **** (not Vigen) come fall" ?

 

[pokefanchaz7]

...this game might be Smith's last audition at QB. If he struggles to move the offense, Bohl might favor Vander Waal come fall.

And Vigen? Doesn't Vigen have a (huge) part in the struggling offense? How do you like the sound of "Bohl might favor **** (not Vigen) come fall" ?

I would be very surprised if Bohl Fires Vigan a year after promotion.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

New blog, I will say things others won't say. Don't expect to see Josh Allen in the Potato Bowl.

Read here:

https://wyonation.com/2017/12/wyomings-hot-potato-bowl-question/

Glad to see that your tea leaves you were reading were more of the Colorado dispensary variety.

 

[pokefanchaz7]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

 

[CowboyNV]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

 

[pokefanchaz7]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

I think he plays the entire game or as long as he is needed. If we are blowing them out for some reason then I see him sitting out. I just see no reason for the dog and pony show as it's too late for most folks to decide to go now.

I think you and the other cynics need to enjoy the ride. Yes our defense will have to win but that is nothing new for us. We are favored in the game by 3-4 points right now and I think in large part due to our defense. We just need just enough offense to win and Josh Allen gives us that much more readily then Smith does.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

Wow, Mr. Negative, are you sure being a Pokes fan is good for your health?

Your thought that Allen will go out and throw one ball lacks any basis in rationality. Doing so would raise a bunch of red flags and kill his draft stock. Have you watched Allen play, ever?? The dude is a competitor and, if he is playing, I guarantee he is playing to win. Not some dog and pony show.

I'm sorry that your view of the Pokes lacks any optimism. But I will tell you that Josh Allen certainly can lead the team to a win, even given the struggles of this offensive unit. I am looking forward to the game and Allen leading the Pokes to one final win before he heads off to the NFL.

 

[CowboyNV]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

Wow, Mr. Negative, are you sure being a Pokes fan is good for your health?

Your thought that Allen will go out and throw one ball lacks any basis in rationality. Doing so would raise a bunch of red flags and kill his draft stock. Have you watched Allen play, ever?? The dude is a competitor and, if he is playing, I guarantee he is playing to win. Not some dog and pony show.

I'm sorry that your view of the Pokes lacks any optimism. But I will tell you that Josh Allen certainly can lead the team to a win, even given the struggles of this offensive unit. I am looking forward to the game and Allen leading the Pokes to one final win before he heads off to the NFL.

I'm not being negative, nor pessimistic, simply a realist after all of these years. I do make a bit of extra spending money betting on games, so I do watch and pay attention to things. I'm not sure what inspires all of the confidence in Josh. While he certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to play at the next level, I don't think his mental game has quite caught up to his physical game. I think it will, but it simply has not at this point. Let's look at his season:

Iowa - 8-15 for 125 yds. with 3 td's and 1 int. Not a bad line, but not good enough to win against a good team.

GWU - 22-32 for 328 yds with 2 td's. One of his best performances, but it came against a glorified high school team.

Oregon - 9-24 for 64 yds and 1 int. Enough said.

Hawaii - 9-19 for 92 yds and 1 td. I wouldn't call this a future NFL Hall of Famer performance, but thanks to the D the Pokes did win the game.

Tx. St. - 14-24 for 219 yds and 3 tds. Pretty workmanlike performance against a fairly bad team. He looked OK, but again it was against sub par competition.

UT St. - 18-26 for 208 yds with 1 td and 1 int. Again, I would grade this performance a B- or C+. Good enough to get the win, but not good enough to make me go "Wow!"

BSU - 12-27 for 131 yds with 1 td and 2 int's. He faced a good defense and it showed in this game. This game (along with Oregon) illustrated how bad the O line, receivers, backs, and Vigen are.

NMU - 16-28 for 234 yds with 4 tds. I actually think this was his best game of the year to date, and really thought that things were about to turn the corner for him.

CSU - 10-20 for 138 yds with 0 tds and 0 int's. While I was thrilled to get the win, another decent defense exposed the offensive woes of this team.

AFA - 8-11 for 70 yds and 1 td. I thought Allen looked like this was going to be one of his better performances, but then came the injury and we all know the rest of the story.

So, looking at these numbers without brown and gold glasses on, Allen, despite his numerous physical skills and leadership, could not make the blocks, run the routes, catch the ball, or come up with a game plan. Those deficiencies by others cause him to make bad decisions trying to do too much. He is limited by those around him and instead of elevating them to the next level (like last year), this bunch has failed to respond 100% of the time.

I know what a shoulder separation feels like (I had to have 3 surgeries to repair mine). I also know that if Josh feels any pain at all he will pull himself out of there. So, I simply do not see him playing the whole game, especially if the line allows him to take beatings like he took all year. If you optimists look at this as negative or cynical, then that's your opinion (you certainly are entitled to it). But I also look at this as a bettor, and I just don't see the Pokes, (with or without Allen) pulling this one out.

 

[wyoair]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

Wow, Mr. Negative, are you sure being a Pokes fan is good for your health?

Your thought that Allen will go out and throw one ball lacks any basis in rationality. Doing so would raise a bunch of red flags and kill his draft stock. Have you watched Allen play, ever?? The dude is a competitor and, if he is playing, I guarantee he is playing to win. Not some dog and pony show.

I'm sorry that your view of the Pokes lacks any optimism. But I will tell you that Josh Allen certainly can lead the team to a win, even given the struggles of this offensive unit. I am looking forward to the game and Allen leading the Pokes to one final win before he heads off to the NFL.

I'm not being negative, nor pessimistic, simply a realist after all of these years. I do make a bit of extra spending money betting on games, so I do watch and pay attention to things. I'm not sure what inspires all of the confidence in Josh. While he certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to play at the next level, I don't think his mental game has quite caught up to his physical game. I think it will, but it simply has not at this point. Let's look at his season:

Iowa - 8-15 for 125 yds. with 3 td's and 1 int. Not a bad line, but not good enough to win against a good team.

GWU - 22-32 for 328 yds with 2 td's. One of his best performances, but it came against a glorified high school team.

Oregon - 9-24 for 64 yds and 1 int. Enough said.

Hawaii - 9-19 for 92 yds and 1 td. I wouldn't call this a future NFL Hall of Famer performance, but thanks to the D the Pokes did win the game.

Tx. St. - 14-24 for 219 yds and 3 tds. Pretty workmanlike performance against a fairly bad team. He looked OK, but again it was against sub par competition.

UT St. - 18-26 for 208 yds with 1 td and 1 int. Again, I would grade this performance a B- or C+. Good enough to get the win, but not good enough to make me go "Wow!"

BSU - 12-27 for 131 yds with 1 td and 2 int's. He faced a good defense and it showed in this game. This game (along with Oregon) illustrated how bad the O line, receivers, backs, and Vigen are.

NMU - 16-28 for 234 yds with 4 tds. I actually think this was his best game of the year to date, and really thought that things were about to turn the corner for him.

CSU - 10-20 for 138 yds with 0 tds and 0 int's. While I was thrilled to get the win, another decent defense exposed the offensive woes of this team.

AFA - 8-11 for 70 yds and 1 td. I thought Allen looked like this was going to be one of his better performances, but then came the injury and we all know the rest of the story.

So, looking at these numbers without brown and gold glasses on, Allen, despite his numerous physical skills and leadership, could not make the blocks, run the routes, catch the ball, or come up with a game plan. Those deficiencies by others cause him to make bad decisions trying to do too much. He is limited by those around him and instead of elevating them to the next level (like last year), this bunch has failed to respond 100% of the time.

I know what a shoulder separation feels like (I had to have 3 surgeries to repair mine). I also know that if Josh feels any pain at all he will pull himself out of there. So, I simply do not see him playing the whole game, especially if the line allows him to take beatings like he took all year. If you optimists look at this as negative or cynical, then that's your opinion (you certainly are entitled to it). But I also look at this as a bettor, and I just don't see the Pokes, with or without Allen) pulling this one out.

Josh had an AC joint separation which is vastly different from a glenohumeral separation if that is what you had. Typically only grade III or IV AC joint separations require surgical intervention and from what it seems like he had a grade I-II.

 

[stymeman]

I kinda wish I could go just for the free French fry feed, LOL

 

[CowboyNV]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

Wow, Mr. Negative, are you sure being a Pokes fan is good for your health?

Your thought that Allen will go out and throw one ball lacks any basis in rationality. Doing so would raise a bunch of red flags and kill his draft stock. Have you watched Allen play, ever?? The dude is a competitor and, if he is playing, I guarantee he is playing to win. Not some dog and pony show.

I'm sorry that your view of the Pokes lacks any optimism. But I will tell you that Josh Allen certainly can lead the team to a win, even given the struggles of this offensive unit. I am looking forward to the game and Allen leading the Pokes to one final win before he heads off to the NFL.

I'm not being negative, nor pessimistic, simply a realist after all of these years. I do make a bit of extra spending money betting on games, so I do watch and pay attention to things. I'm not sure what inspires all of the confidence in Josh. While he certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to play at the next level, I don't think his mental game has quite caught up to his physical game. I think it will, but it simply has not at this point. Let's look at his season:

Iowa - 8-15 for 125 yds. with 3 td's and 1 int. Not a bad line, but not good enough to win against a good team.

GWU - 22-32 for 328 yds with 2 td's. One of his best performances, but it came against a glorified high school team.

Oregon - 9-24 for 64 yds and 1 int. Enough said.

Hawaii - 9-19 for 92 yds and 1 td. I wouldn't call this a future NFL Hall of Famer performance, but thanks to the D the Pokes did win the game.

Tx. St. - 14-24 for 219 yds and 3 tds. Pretty workmanlike performance against a fairly bad team. He looked OK, but again it was against sub par competition.

UT St. - 18-26 for 208 yds with 1 td and 1 int. Again, I would grade this performance a B- or C+. Good enough to get the win, but not good enough to make me go "Wow!"

BSU - 12-27 for 131 yds with 1 td and 2 int's. He faced a good defense and it showed in this game. This game (along with Oregon) illustrated how bad the O line, receivers, backs, and Vigen are.

NMU - 16-28 for 234 yds with 4 tds. I actually think this was his best game of the year to date, and really thought that things were about to turn the corner for him.

CSU - 10-20 for 138 yds with 0 tds and 0 int's. While I was thrilled to get the win, another decent defense exposed the offensive woes of this team.

AFA - 8-11 for 70 yds and 1 td. I thought Allen looked like this was going to be one of his better performances, but then came the injury and we all know the rest of the story.

So, looking at these numbers without brown and gold glasses on, Allen, despite his numerous physical skills and leadership, could not make the blocks, run the routes, catch the ball, or come up with a game plan. Those deficiencies by others cause him to make bad decisions trying to do too much. He is limited by those around him and instead of elevating them to the next level (like last year), this bunch has failed to respond 100% of the time.

I know what a shoulder separation feels like (I had to have 3 surgeries to repair mine). I also know that if Josh feels any pain at all he will pull himself out of there. So, I simply do not see him playing the whole game, especially if the line allows him to take beatings like he took all year. If you optimists look at this as negative or cynical, then that's your opinion (you certainly are entitled to it). But I also look at this as a bettor, and I just don't see the Pokes, with or without Allen) pulling this one out.

Josh had an AC joint separation which is vastly different from a glenohumeral separation if that is what you had. Typically only grade III or IV AC joint separations require surgical intervention and from what it seems like he had a grade I-II.

Mine was a grade IV AC joint separation and I can tell you it was the shits to recover from.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Just an FYI on technical terms, a Separated Shoulder and AC separation are the same thing. No such thing as a Glenohumeral separation - dislocation or subluxation, yes - but separation, no.

I know it's just semantics, but as it's my field, I like to help clear up any confusion.

 

[wyoair]

This just in... Josh Allen playing in bowl game

So, Nostradamus, how long does he stay in? You think he trots in the first series, throws one ball, comes to the sidelines and says he's just not 100%.....I guess that is still playing, right? Unfortunately, as abysmal as the offense has been this year, I'm not convinced it makes any difference who is QB. In the end, it is still Vigen calling the horseshit plays, an O line that isn't blocking, a bunch of receivers who can't catch, and Allen (or Smith) running for his life as he is getting beaten like a drum. The defense will have to win this one, as the O will not be much help. I will go out on a limb and say it is Directional Michigan by 10.

Wow, Mr. Negative, are you sure being a Pokes fan is good for your health?

Your thought that Allen will go out and throw one ball lacks any basis in rationality. Doing so would raise a bunch of red flags and kill his draft stock. Have you watched Allen play, ever?? The dude is a competitor and, if he is playing, I guarantee he is playing to win. Not some dog and pony show.

I'm sorry that your view of the Pokes lacks any optimism. But I will tell you that Josh Allen certainly can lead the team to a win, even given the struggles of this offensive unit. I am looking forward to the game and Allen leading the Pokes to one final win before he heads off to the NFL.

I'm not being negative, nor pessimistic, simply a realist after all of these years. I do make a bit of extra spending money betting on games, so I do watch and pay attention to things. I'm not sure what inspires all of the confidence in Josh. While he certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to play at the next level, I don't think his mental game has quite caught up to his physical game. I think it will, but it simply has not at this point. Let's look at his season:

Iowa - 8-15 for 125 yds. with 3 td's and 1 int. Not a bad line, but not good enough to win against a good team.

GWU - 22-32 for 328 yds with 2 td's. One of his best performances, but it came against a glorified high school team.

Oregon - 9-24 for 64 yds and 1 int. Enough said.

Hawaii - 9-19 for 92 yds and 1 td. I wouldn't call this a future NFL Hall of Famer performance, but thanks to the D the Pokes did win the game.

Tx. St. - 14-24 for 219 yds and 3 tds. Pretty workmanlike performance against a fairly bad team. He looked OK, but again it was against sub par competition.

UT St. - 18-26 for 208 yds with 1 td and 1 int. Again, I would grade this performance a B- or C+. Good enough to get the win, but not good enough to make me go "Wow!"

BSU - 12-27 for 131 yds with 1 td and 2 int's. He faced a good defense and it showed in this game. This game (along with Oregon) illustrated how bad the O line, receivers, backs, and Vigen are.

NMU - 16-28 for 234 yds with 4 tds. I actually think this was his best game of the year to date, and really thought that things were about to turn the corner for him.

CSU - 10-20 for 138 yds with 0 tds and 0 int's. While I was thrilled to get the win, another decent defense exposed the offensive woes of this team.

AFA - 8-11 for 70 yds and 1 td. I thought Allen looked like this was going to be one of his better performances, but then came the injury and we all know the rest of the story.

So, looking at these numbers without brown and gold glasses on, Allen, despite his numerous physical skills and leadership, could not make the blocks, run the routes, catch the ball, or come up with a game plan. Those deficiencies by others cause him to make bad decisions trying to do too much. He is limited by those around him and instead of elevating them to the next level (like last year), this bunch has failed to respond 100% of the time.

I know what a shoulder separation feels like (I had to have 3 surgeries to repair mine). I also know that if Josh feels any pain at all he will pull himself out of there. So, I simply do not see him playing the whole game, especially if the line allows him to take beatings like he took all year. If you optimists look at this as negative or cynical, then that's your opinion (you certainly are entitled to it). But I also look at this as a bettor, and I just don't see the Pokes, with or without Allen) pulling this one out.

Josh had an AC joint separation which is vastly different from a glenohumeral separation if that is what you had. Typically only grade III or IV AC joint separations require surgical intervention and from what it seems like he had a grade I-II.

Mine was a grade IV AC joint separation and I can tell you it was the shits to recover from.

Then yeah that would require surgery. Grades I-II don't and in most cases grade I's can go back to activity within a week, sometimes 2-3 days so judging how long it took Josh he had a grade II, anything above that and he would have been in surgery.

 

[wyoair]

Just an FYI on technical terms, a Separated Shoulder and AC separation are the same thing. No such thing as a Glenohumeral separation - dislocation or subluxation, yes - but separation, no.

I know it's just semantics, but as it's my field, I like to help clear up any confusion.

Orthopedist I take it? I worked with a group in Casper doing their urgent care/acute stuff for a while. I'm just a lowly NP haha. I guess yeah technically no such thing as a GH separation but I guess I was talking more humeral head subluxation I.e. anterior/posterior/ luxation erecta as opposed to an AC separation.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Just an FYI on technical terms, a Separated Shoulder and AC separation are the same thing. No such thing as a Glenohumeral separation - dislocation or subluxation, yes - but separation, no.

I know it's just semantics, but as it's my field, I like to help clear up any confusion.

Orthopedist I take it? I worked with a group in Casper doing their urgent care/acute stuff for a while. I'm just a lowly NP haha. I guess yeah technically no such thing as a GH separation but I guess I was talking more humeral head subluxation I.e. anterior/posterior/ luxation erecta as opposed to an AC separation.

Actually, an Athletic Trainer, so you "outrank" me technically. But when it comes to Orthopedic conditions, I like to think I can hold my own. Especially with how those conditions relate/work in the realm of college athletics. Still kicking around the idea of going back to school and getting a PA-C, but not yet at least.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I'm not being negative, nor pessimistic, simply a realist after all of these years. I do make a bit of extra spending money betting on games, so I do watch and pay attention to things. I'm not sure what inspires all of the confidence in Josh. While he certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to play at the next level, I don't think his mental game has quite caught up to his physical game. I think it will, but it simply has not at this point.


....So, I simply do not see him playing the whole game, especially if the line allows him to take beatings like he took all year. If you optimists look at this as negative or cynical, then that's your opinion (you certainly are entitled to it). But I also look at this as a bettor, and I just don't see the Pokes, (with or without Allen) pulling this one out.

I hope you lose your ass betting against the Pokes on this one. I was at every home game this year (and the Iowa game). I make my spending money on daily fantasy sports (I'm a statistics nerd)...but what I do know is that Allen is a competitor and his teammates believe in him. Numbers don't tell all the story...anyone at the CSU game knows that Allen led the team to that win. That is why I am and have been optimistic.

 

[CowboyNV]

I'm not being negative, nor pessimistic, simply a realist after all of these years. I do make a bit of extra spending money betting on games, so I do watch and pay attention to things. I'm not sure what inspires all of the confidence in Josh. While he certainly has all of the physical skills necessary to play at the next level, I don't think his mental game has quite caught up to his physical game. I think it will, but it simply has not at this point.


....So, I simply do not see him playing the whole game, especially if the line allows him to take beatings like he took all year. If you optimists look at this as negative or cynical, then that's your opinion (you certainly are entitled to it). But I also look at this as a bettor, and I just don't see the Pokes, (with or without Allen) pulling this one out.

I hope you lose your ass betting against the Pokes on this one. I was at every home game this year (and the Iowa game). I make my spending money on daily fantasy sports (I'm a statistics nerd)...but what I do know is that Allen is a competitor and his teammates believe in him. Numbers don't tell all the story...anyone at the CSU game knows that Allen led the team to that win. That is why I am and have been optimistic.

I sincerely hope I lose my ass too. It would be the best loss of money I can think of, and I love the taste of crow. I've never doubted Allen's heart, or his abilities, but it is a team sport, and until today, the offensive help didn't inspire much confidence. It costs me about $1,000 to attend a game in Laramie, so I envy you being able to attend them all. I was able to catch the game in Colorado Springs. But I digress. In the end, I put $250 on the under (-47 1/2) and skipped picking the winner. Instead of betting on fantasy football, perhaps you should try the real world. It's a bigger rush.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Instead of betting on fantasy football, perhaps you should try the real world. It's a bigger rush.

DFS betting has been determined legal to conduct in the state I reside. Sports betting has not. When facing depositions, it is good that I can testify that, to my knowledge, I am not engaged in illegal conduct.

 

[CowboyNV]

Instead of betting on fantasy football, perhaps you should try the real world. It's a bigger rush.

DFS betting has been determined legal to conduct in the state I reside. Sports betting has not. When facing depositions, it is good that I can testify that, to my knowledge, I am not engaged in illegal conduct.

Good point. I predict fantasy football (all fantasy sports) will soon be considered gambling and become illegal. By the way, that was the best $250 I've spent in a long time. Now to go buy some crow.