Hiring an FCS coach doesn't have to be a bad thing

[wyoav211933]

Really all that Joe Glenn taught us is that lower-level success doesn't automatically translate into success in the FBS. It doesn't mean though that you can't find good coaches at those levels. Brian Kelly once coached at Grand Valley State (wherever the heck that is), Frank Beamer coached at Murray State, Rich Rodriguez coached at Glenville State, Mack Brown at Appalachian State, Paul Johnson at Georgia Southern, etc. I'm not denying there is a risk hiring an FCS coach, but I think we are foolish to disregard such options just because the Joe Glenn experiment went bad.

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[stymeman]

i just think that those contacts in the FCS don't bode well for a team like Wyo, a smaller school trying to recruit talent, but just not enough to translate to the "lower" D1 caliber, we need to have a coach that has good coaching tree contacts with those diamonds in the rough that don't want to sit the bench at a bigger school and want to come in and contribute right away and make a difference to a lesser have like we are at UW. Those kids have friends and contacts that'll see what they can contibute to a struggling school like UW. just a thought

 

[wyoav211933]

100% agree that the next coach needs good contacts, and if I were AD and interviewing coaches that is definitely something I'm exploring. I'm just not sure it is fair though to assume that a coach couldn't recruit the appropriate talent here because he has only been coaching at the FCS level or else those other guys I mentioned wouldn't have had success. As much as I think it would be great to get Tedford, I just don't think it is happening and that the next coach is probably going to be an FCS guy. And frankly I'm ok with it as long as he can recruit well and call plays that puts us in a position to win.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Really all that Joe Glenn taught us is that lower-level success doesn't translate into success in the FBS. It doesn't mean though that you can't find good coaches at those levels. Brian Kelly once coached at Grand Valley State (wherever the heck that is), Frank Beamer coached at Murray State, Rich Rodriguez coached at Glenville State, Mack Brown at Appalachian State, Paul Johnson at Georgia Southern, etc. I'm not denying there is a risk hiring an FCS coach, but I think we are foolish to disregard such options just because the Joe Glenn experiment went bad.

Grand Valley State and Glenville State are D2. Grand Valley State has had teams in years past (i.e. during Kelly's stint) that probably could have beat Wyoming (yes the D2 team was seriosuly that good).

I agree with you though, the whole disregarding good lower division coaches is short sighted. Bob Stitt will make us look silly down the road with whoever he catches on with.

 

[cowboyz]

Getting a present FBS head coach to come to Wyoming could prove difficult. If they are successful, then they are probably where they want to be or have BCS dreams. We'll need to get someone that's tarnished a bit looking for a comeback. If not, it will have to be an FBS retread, an FCS head coach or an FBS O or D coordinator. Many O and D coordinators have seen success, but I am leaning towards anyone with head coaching experience (FBS or FCS) after DC. As successful as he was previously he had no concept of how to run a program. I'd hate to do the same thing again, hire an assistant stud who belly flops as a HC.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Many of you compare Boise's rise to the top to something that Wyo could accomplish. Boise did that with creativity, innovation, and straight up gimmicks.

The Bob Stitt idea would've been the way to go if we wanted to try to follow Boise's path to greatness.

The longer I'm around, the more I'm convinced that traditional doesn't work for Wyo.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Many of you compare Boise's rise to the top to something that Wyo could accomplish. Boise did that with creativity, innovation, and straight up gimmicks.

The Bob Stitt idea would've been the way to go if we wanted to try to follow Boise's path to greatness.

The longer I'm around, the more I'm convinced that traditional doesn't work for Wyo.

Couldn't agree more. Maybe Stitt would flop, but at least we would be trying. I also don't see the traditional approach panning out. The coaching candidates we attract tend not to have many other head coaching options at the FBS level or they use Wyoming interest as a stepping stone to other openings.

 

[MileHighCowboy]

Many of you compare Boise's rise to the top to something that Wyo could accomplish. Boise did that with creativity, innovation, and straight up gimmicks.

The Bob Stitt idea would've been the way to go if we wanted to try to follow Boise's path to greatness.

The longer I'm around, the more I'm convinced that traditional doesn't work for Wyo.

Boise's success was also predicated off the fact that they were/are much more lenient with regard to academic standing (what was known as Prop 48 kids). You might not be able to read or write but little technicalities shouldn't stand in the way of athletic talent, right? Boise (and Wyo) could also sell starting right away rather than riding the pine for three years. Boise (not Wyo) also upped their athletic budget from $31M to $66M.

 

[KATatonic]

Are you guys watching the C-USA Championship game? Rice's David Bailiff was an FCS coach at Texas State (they are now FBS). He went to a school that has a really difficult time recruiting. But he is creative and motivated. Rice is now a winner. FCS coaches are like any other...generalizations rarely hold.

 

[KansasPoke]

There are many great coaches at the FCS level. They just need to be given the chance at the FBS level in time.

Just because Joe didn't work, doesn't mean the next guy won't.

 

[WyoExpat]

Boise's success was also predicated off the fact that they were/are much more lenient with regard to academic standing (what was known as Prop 48 kids). You might not be able to read or write but little technicalities shouldn't stand in the way of athletic talent, right?

This is also why most of us can be proud of our U.W. degrees and would be ashamed of a B.S. university degree. (This is also why I am not a huge fan of B.S. university in the MWC after their football team declines. It is nothing more than a glorified junior college.

 

[Poke in Billings]

Boise's success was also predicated off the fact that they were/are much more lenient with regard to academic standing (what was known as Prop 48 kids). You might not be able to read or write but little technicalities shouldn't stand in the way of athletic talent, right?

This is also why most of us can be proud of our U.W. degrees and would be ashamed of a B.S. university degree. (This is also why I am not a huge fan of B.S. university in the MWC after their football team declines. It is nothing more than a glorified junior college.

...but, taking a look at the flipside, an argument could be made that they have made some pretty good strides forward in their academics on the back of their athletics

 

[KATatonic]

Boise's success was also predicated off the fact that they were/are much more lenient with regard to academic standing (what was known as Prop 48 kids). You might not be able to read or write but little technicalities shouldn't stand in the way of athletic talent, right?

This is also why most of us can be proud of our U.W. degrees and would be ashamed of a B.S. university degree. (This is also why I am not a huge fan of B.S. university in the MWC after their football team declines. It is nothing more than a glorified junior college.

You can have both academic and football success. Just need a dedicated commitment from administration, and a coach that knows what he is doing..example: Duke, Stanford, Rice, Northwestern.... From what I am reading on my short time on this forum, you guys are passionate about your team. Hope your administration does right by you. Good luck. The Cowboys have a new fan.

 

[mwc fan]

There are many great coaches at the FCS level. They just need to be given the chance at the FBS level in time.

Just because Joe didn't work, doesn't mean the next guy won't.

The problem is we dont have time! Burman is running out of time too. If he hires a coach that doesnt go at least 8-4 next season hes gone. This year should be Wyomings best Offensive team ever. We can win the MWC with the right guy. I just dont think we can afford to give an FCS coach time.

 

[KansasPoke]

Problem is FBS HC's coaches aren't going to go to Wyoming due to it being lateral (MAC/Sunbelt HC's) or lower than where they are at now.

It is apparent Tedford is not interested even if we wanted him. We have people crying for Petrino but there is no proof he would be interested in this job outside some family connections. He is likely waiting for a big job in the South anyways. Then we have Mangino who had success at the FBS at a tough place to win but there are many that don't even want him.

We may WANT a certain coach but it doesn't mean they have any interest in us. Just throwing money at these guys aren't going to change many of these higher level coaches interest.

That puts us in the spot to hire FCS HC's or FBS coordinators. Seems we want someone with HC experience, that will likely be a FCS guy. We just went the FBS coordinator route with DC.

Honestly there is going to be a faction of the fan base that won't be happy of the hire regardless.